• Quarter Century unhappy anniversary

    From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 25 20:50:03 2022
    A quarter century ago this morning, Disclave was flooded, putting a
    permanent end to that beloved annual convention after 47 years.
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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Wed May 25 19:19:39 2022
    On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 4:50:05 PM UTC-4, Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    A quarter century ago this morning, Disclave was flooded, putting a
    permanent end to that beloved annual convention after 47 years.
    --

    Oh, my!

    https://fancyclopedia.org/Disclave_41

    --
    Kevin R

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Thu May 26 07:57:48 2022
    On Wed, 25 May 2022 20:50:03 +0000, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    A quarter century ago this morning, Disclave was flooded, putting a
    permanent end to that beloved annual convention after 47 years.

    Interesting. The newspaper archive newspapers.com has scant mention
    of WSFA, and nothing in 1997, when one would expect an item in
    The Baltimore Sun. The Washington Post isn't in the archive.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Fri May 27 00:00:08 2022
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    Keith F. Lynch wrote:
    A quarter century ago this morning, Disclave was flooded, putting a
    permanent end to that beloved annual convention after 47 years.

    Interesting. The newspaper archive newspapers.com has scant mention
    of WSFA, and nothing in 1997, when one would expect an item in
    The Baltimore Sun. The Washington Post isn't in the archive.

    The Washington Post didn't mention it. The Washington City Paper did,
    very briefly. The Disclave flood just wasn't very newsworthy, except
    within fandom. Within fandom, there's plenty of coverage. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disclave
    https://fancyclopedia.org/Disclave_Flood
    Or do a web search for "Disclave flood."
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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to mailbox@cpacker.org on Fri May 27 11:07:58 2022
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    On Wed, 25 May 2022 20:50:03 +0000, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    A quarter century ago this morning, Disclave was flooded, putting a
    permanent end to that beloved annual convention after 47 years.

    Interesting. The newspaper archive newspapers.com has scant mention
    of WSFA, and nothing in 1997, when one would expect an item in
    The Baltimore Sun. The Washington Post isn't in the archive.

    Although the Disclave Flood has become legendary and was a major disaster
    from the standpoint of fans, I am not surprised that the rest of the world
    did not pay much attention to it. (Other than a few insurance companies
    of course.)
    --scott

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sat May 28 07:37:39 2022
    On Fri, 27 May 2022 11:07:58 +0000, Scott Dorsey wrote:

    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    On Wed, 25 May 2022 20:50:03 +0000, Keith F. Lynch wrote:

    A quarter century ago this morning, Disclave was flooded, putting a
    permanent end to that beloved annual convention after 47 years.

    Interesting. The newspaper archive newspapers.com has scant mention of >>WSFA, and nothing in 1997, when one would expect an item in The
    Baltimore Sun. The Washington Post isn't in the archive.

    Although the Disclave Flood has become legendary and was a major
    disaster from the standpoint of fans, I am not surprised that the rest
    of the world did not pay much attention to it. (Other than a few
    insurance companies of course.)
    --scott

    But what about the thunderstorm later that did some serious
    flooding of the entire hotel? I looked in the newspaper archive
    for references to severe storms, but found only that a cold
    front had swept across the region. It had, though, caused a
    postponement of the Indy 500 by a day.

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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Wed Jun 1 02:33:22 2022
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    But what about the thunderstorm later that did some serious flooding
    of the entire hotel?

    Not the entire hotel. Just the part that *wasn't* flooded by the
    broken sprinkler. The sprinkler flooded the main hotel. The storm
    flooded the "bunker" or "discave," an adjacent converted parking
    garage where the art show, dealer room, and con suite were.

    That hotel hosted Disclave from 1984 through 1991 and one last time in
    1997. It had a different name and claimed location almost every time.
    (It was usually in New Carrollton, but sometimes in Greenbelt and
    sometimes in northeast DC.) But it was most infamous for electrocuting
    a customer in 1995. She touched her doorknob while wet from the pool,
    and fell over dead. A web search on "hotel electrocution 1995" finds
    it as the first hit. Apparently that sort of thing doesn't happen
    very much.

    In 1997, I got a (non-fatal) shock from a doorknob there.

    The hotel is apparently still there. But they long since got rid of
    the pool. Whether they ever fixed their wiring, I don't know.
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  • From Paul Dormer@21:1/5 to Lynch on Wed Jun 1 10:43:00 2022
    In article <t76j5i$b5m$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:

    She touched her doorknob while wet from the pool,
    and fell over dead.

    Wet from the rain, according to the two articles I found, although it
    sounds as if the room was near the pool.

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Thu Jun 2 07:29:24 2022
    On Wed, 01 Jun 2022 10:43:00 +0100, Paul Dormer wrote:

    In article <t76j5i$b5m$1@reader1.panix.com>, kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith
    F.
    Lynch) wrote:

    She touched her doorknob while wet from the pool,
    and fell over dead.

    Wet from the rain, according to the two articles I found, although it
    sounds as if the room was near the pool.

    I like news events whose protagonists have unusual names! They
    make for easier archive searches. It's hard to beat Milika
    Sloan, the unfortunate subject of that one. Those two AP
    dispatches were syndicated nationwide.

    It happened in the same time frame in which, I vaguely remember,
    I went to a computer show there. I still have occasion to drive
    by the hotel a few times a year.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to mailbox@cpacker.org on Thu Jun 2 17:55:11 2022
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

    But what about the thunderstorm later that did some serious
    flooding of the entire hotel? I looked in the newspaper archive
    for references to severe storms, but found only that a cold
    front had swept across the region. It had, though, caused a
    postponement of the Indy 500 by a day.

    I don't know about any thunderstorm. When the lobby ceiling fell in, I
    had been awake all night and decided to just drive the three hours home
    and be done with it. I can't imagine there was much damage left to do
    at that point.
    --scott


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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Jun 3 03:18:39 2022
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:
    But what about the thunderstorm later that did some serious
    flooding of the entire hotel?

    I don't know about any thunderstorm. When the lobby ceiling fell
    in, I had been awake all night and decided to just drive the three
    hours home and be done with it.

    Weren't you concerned that you might fall asleep while driving?

    I can't imagine there was much damage left to do at that point.

    The sprinkler damaged the hotel proper (and, of course, things in it).

    The thunderstorm damaged the "bunker" or "discave," a converted
    parking garage that was almost but not quite attached to the hotel.
    Mainly because the bunker was slightly below ground level, hence had
    concrete stairs, open to the sky, heading down. There was a drain at
    the bottom of the stairs to keep water from flowing into the bunker,
    but the hotel had cleverly carpeted over the drain. Water could soak
    through the carpet and enter the drain, but the rain was coming down
    much faster than it could soak through.

    The bunker housed the con suite, art show, and dealer room. The hotel
    proper contained all other function space and all sleeping rooms.
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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Paul Dormer on Sat Jun 4 21:15:18 2022
    Paul Dormer <prd@pauldormer.cix.co.uk> wrote:
    kfl@KeithLynch.net (Keith F. Lynch) wrote:
    She touched her doorknob while wet from the pool, and fell over dead.

    Wet from the rain, according to the two articles I found, although
    it sounds as if the room was near the pool.

    Thanks for the correction.
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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Keith F. Lynch on Mon Jun 6 23:48:15 2022
    Keith F. Lynch <kfl@KeithLynch.net> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    I don't know about any thunderstorm. When the lobby ceiling fell
    in, I had been awake all night and decided to just drive the three
    hours home and be done with it.

    Weren't you concerned that you might fall asleep while driving?

    Interestingly, I was very sleepy before the alarms went off but an hour
    or two later I was just vibrating with adrenaline. I had been talking
    with a young woman in the hall when the chaos began and never saw her again either.

    The thunderstorm damaged the "bunker" or "discave," a converted
    parking garage that was almost but not quite attached to the hotel.
    Mainly because the bunker was slightly below ground level, hence had
    concrete stairs, open to the sky, heading down. There was a drain at
    the bottom of the stairs to keep water from flowing into the bunker,
    but the hotel had cleverly carpeted over the drain. Water could soak
    through the carpet and enter the drain, but the rain was coming down
    much faster than it could soak through.
    Please see http://keithlynch.net/email.html before emailing me.

    Was there really much there to damage? As I recall it was not very converted, it just had a carpet and HVAC. Considering how much of the main part of the hotel was a loss, it would seem comparatively unimportant.
    --scott


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  • From Keith F. Lynch@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Jun 7 01:33:54 2022
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Was there really much there to damage? As I recall it was not very converted, it just had a carpet and HVAC.

    The con suite, art show, and dealer room were there in the bunker.
    But it's true that not much *hotel* property was at risk. Except the
    carpeting itself. If carpeting gets wet and can't quickly be dried,
    it will smell bad forever.
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