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  • Chengdu separates Worldcon admission from WSFS membership

    From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 31 09:11:37 2022
    The Chengdu Worldcon has announced its membership rates.

    https://file770.com/chengdu-worldcon-publishes-qas-to-explain-their-membership-and-admission-structure/

    Its Q&A says: "WSFS membership is not a requirement to buy the in-person admission package, but if you buy both, you’ll be given a full ATTENDING MEMBERSHIP."

    At first I thought this must go against the WSFS constitution. The WSFS
    site says: "The World Science Fiction Society is an unincorporated
    literary society whose membership is defined by the WSFS Constitution as
    the membership of the current Worldcon."

    https://www.wsfs.org/membership/

    But WSFS also says: "The current Worldcon is allowed to define other
    types of memberships to their convention. Some of these membership types
    may include the membership types listed above, but others (e.g. 'Single
    Day Admissions' or 'Babe in Arms') may include only admission to the
    Worldcon without membership rights."

    Allowing full convention attendance without a WSFS membership strikes me
    as falling under the letter of this rule, but not the intent. I'm no
    expert on this, and there are people here who understand WSFS operations
    much better than I do. Could someone give an informed opinion on this?

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Fri Apr 1 13:35:50 2022
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:

    Allowing full convention attendance without a WSFS membership strikes me
    as falling under the letter of this rule, but not the intent. I'm no
    expert on this, and there are people here who understand WSFS operations
    much better than I do. Could someone give an informed opinion on this?

    I think this is legal by my reading of the rules, and I understand why they want to do it. But I also think it is a very bad idea because it helps to
    add a barrier between different fans. What I like about fan-run cons is that everyone is in the same position whether they are a guest, the con chair, or
    a guy who goes to a couple panels.

    The Helsinki folks wanted the same sort of thing, but they approached it in
    a MUCH better way by giving a "first worldcon" discount. This brings in more people who wouldn't otherwise have gone to worldcon, but at the same time
    it does nothing to set up a line between different classes of attendees.

    It is possible that the Chengdu folks took the route they did rather than
    the route taken in Helsinki because they didn't want a huge flush of new
    people voting on the Hugos. On the other hand, that happened after Helsinki and it was a good thing on the whole.
    --scott

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  • From Gary McGath@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Fri Apr 1 11:23:06 2022
    On 4/1/22 9:35 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    The Helsinki folks wanted the same sort of thing, but they approached it in
    a MUCH better way by giving a "first worldcon" discount. This brings in more people who wouldn't otherwise have gone to worldcon, but at the same time
    it does nothing to set up a line between different classes of attendees.

    It is possible that the Chengdu folks took the route they did rather than
    the route taken in Helsinki because they didn't want a huge flush of new people voting on the Hugos. On the other hand, that happened after Helsinki and it was a good thing on the whole.

    According to everyone's predictions, the large majority of the
    attendance at the 2023 Worldcon will be Chinese who have never attended
    a Worldcon before. Maybe the concom wanted to avoid having them dominate
    the Hugo voting.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com on Fri Apr 1 16:25:52 2022
    Gary McGath <garym@REMOVEmcgathREMOVE.com> wrote:
    On 4/1/22 9:35 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    The Helsinki folks wanted the same sort of thing, but they approached it in >> a MUCH better way by giving a "first worldcon" discount. This brings in more
    people who wouldn't otherwise have gone to worldcon, but at the same time
    it does nothing to set up a line between different classes of attendees.

    It is possible that the Chengdu folks took the route they did rather than
    the route taken in Helsinki because they didn't want a huge flush of new
    people voting on the Hugos. On the other hand, that happened after Helsinki >> and it was a good thing on the whole.

    According to everyone's predictions, the large majority of the
    attendance at the 2023 Worldcon will be Chinese who have never attended
    a Worldcon before. Maybe the concom wanted to avoid having them dominate
    the Hugo voting.

    Right, the same thing happened at Helsinki. Vast numbers of people who had never attended any con before, but who had long wanted to. I think that's probably a good thing in itself (although in Helsinki it was a problem
    because there wasn't the infrastructure to support the unexpected flood of members).

    It turns out there are a whole lot of Scandinavian SF fans and not very many cons, so there was a big pent up demand when Worldcon came along. The same will happen in Chengdu I suspect, and we'll see how they manage it.
    --scott


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