• Coronado dial off

    From Kurt Draper@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 1 11:04:46 2020
    I posted about this radio last week. A gentleman named Michael answered me. The radio is a Coronado 46 RA 85762A. The other numbers on the chassis are 6A85 113145. The dial is way off. 840 comes in at910 & 96.9 comes in at 95. He asked me about a
    damaged oscillator coil. It doesn’t show any signs of physical or heat damage. The trimmer on the tuning capacitor are within 1/2 turn of tight. Just to check, on AM, I tuned it to a local station at 900 KHz. I found the local oscillator on a digital
    radio at 1350 KHz. I don’t know what it’s supposed to be. Thanks for getting back to me so fast. Best Regards, Kurt

    Sent from my iPad

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  • From Fox's Mercantile@21:1/5 to Kurt Draper on Sun Mar 1 13:20:42 2020
    On 3/1/20 1:04 PM, Kurt Draper wrote:
    Just to check, on AM, I tuned it to a local station at 900 KHz.
    I found the local oscillator on a digital radio at 1350 KHz.
    I don’t know what it’s supposed to be.

    That's a consistent problem with some radios. Not ALL of them are
    455 KHz IFs. That would explain the tracking issues. If the IF is
    set wrong, that's the result.

    I found your post on the antique radio forum with the tube line up.
    That's sounds like a late enough model however, to not have some
    goofy non-standard IF frequency.



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  • From Michael Terrell@21:1/5 to Kurt Draper on Sun Mar 1 12:07:58 2020
    On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 2:04:48 PM UTC-5, Kurt Draper wrote:
    I posted about this radio last week. A gentleman named Michael answered me. The radio is a Coronado 46 RA 85762A. The other numbers on the chassis are 6A85 113145. The dial is way off. 840 comes in at910 & 96.9 comes in at 95. He asked me about a
    damaged oscillator coil. It doesn’t show any signs of physical or heat damage. The trimmer on the tuning capacitor are within 1/2 turn of tight. Just to check, on AM, I tuned it to a local station at 900 KHz. I found the local oscillator on a digital
    radio at 1350 KHz. I don’t know what it’s supposed to be. Thanks for getting back to me so fast. Best Regards, Kurt

    That would be a 450KHz IF, if the counter isn't loading down the oscillator with its input capacitance. Some things to check:

    Can you measure the L.O at both ends of the band? This will give more information about the error.

    Is there a slug in the L.O. coil? If so, is it adjustable?

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  • From Fox's Mercantile@21:1/5 to Michael Terrell on Sun Mar 1 14:55:56 2020
    On 3/1/20 2:07 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
    That would be a 450KHz IF, if the counter isn't loading
    down the oscillator with its input capacitance.

    That's the problem.
    Realign the IF to 455 KHz.




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  • From Fox's Mercantile@21:1/5 to Michael Terrell on Sun Mar 1 15:24:54 2020
    On 3/1/20 3:15 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
    On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 3:56:03 PM UTC-5, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
    On 3/1/20 2:07 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
    That would be a 450KHz IF, if the counter isn't loading
    down the oscillator with its input capacitance.

    That's the problem.
    Realign the IF to 455 KHz.


    That won't cause the dial to be of by 70KHz at that frequency.


    It will if you have to pad the LO to work 50 KHz off frequency at
    the low end. The resulting LC ratio fucks up the tracking at the
    high end.

    He mentioned that the padders are both almost closed all the way.
    (maximum capacitance).

    The minimum to maximum values of the local oscillator tuning
    capacitor is dependent on the IF frequency being correct.


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  • From Michael Terrell@21:1/5 to Fox's Mercantile on Sun Mar 1 13:15:33 2020
    On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 3:56:03 PM UTC-5, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
    On 3/1/20 2:07 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
    That would be a 450KHz IF, if the counter isn't loading
    down the oscillator with its input capacitance.

    That's the problem.
    Realign the IF to 455 KHz.


    That won't cause the dial to be of by 70KHz at that frequency.

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  • From Michael Terrell@21:1/5 to Fox's Mercantile on Sun Mar 1 16:22:18 2020
    On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-5, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
    On 3/1/20 3:15 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
    On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 3:56:03 PM UTC-5, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
    On 3/1/20 2:07 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
    That would be a 450KHz IF, if the counter isn't loading
    down the oscillator with its input capacitance.

    That's the problem.
    Realign the IF to 455 KHz.


    That won't cause the dial to be of by 70KHz at that frequency.


    It will if you have to pad the LO to work 50 KHz off frequency at
    the low end. The resulting LC ratio fucks up the tracking at the
    high end.

    He mentioned that the padders are both almost closed all the way.
    (maximum capacitance).

    The minimum to maximum values of the local oscillator tuning
    capacitor is dependent on the IF frequency being correct.

    1350KHz
    -900KHz
    -------
    =450KHz not 400KHz

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  • From Fox's Mercantile@21:1/5 to Michael Terrell on Sun Mar 1 20:12:37 2020
    On 3/1/20 6:22 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
    On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 4:25:01 PM UTC-5, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
    On 3/1/20 3:15 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
    On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 3:56:03 PM UTC-5, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
    On 3/1/20 2:07 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
    That would be a 450KHz IF, if the counter isn't loading
    down the oscillator with its input capacitance.

    That's the problem.
    Realign the IF to 455 KHz.


    That won't cause the dial to be of by 70KHz at that frequency.


    It will if you have to pad the LO to work 50 KHz off frequency at
    the low end. The resulting LC ratio fucks up the tracking at the
    high end.

    He mentioned that the padders are both almost closed all the way.
    (maximum capacitance).

    The minimum to maximum values of the local oscillator tuning
    capacitor is dependent on the IF frequency being correct.

    1350KHz
    -900KHz
    -------
    =450KHz not 400KHz


    Good for you, you can count.

    The assertion is still the same.
    If the IF is off frequency (5 KHz) it will STILL affect the tracking.


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  • From Jim Mueller@21:1/5 to Kurt Draper on Mon Mar 2 03:41:17 2020
    On Sun, 01 Mar 2020 11:04:46 -0800, Kurt Draper wrote:

    I posted about this radio last week. A gentleman named Michael answered
    me. The radio is a Coronado 46 RA 85762A. The other numbers on the
    chassis are 6A85 113145. The dial is way off. 840 comes in at910 & 96.9 comes in at 95. He asked me about a damaged oscillator coil. It doesn’t show any signs of physical or heat damage. The trimmer on the tuning capacitor are within 1/2 turn of tight. Just to check, on AM, I tuned it
    to a local station at 900 KHz. I found the local oscillator on a digital radio at 1350 KHz. I don’t know what it’s supposed to be. Thanks for getting back to me so fast. Best Regards, Kurt

    Sent from my iPad

    You mention that both the AM and FM dials were off. Are the pointer
    positions off by the same physical distance (inches) on the dial? If so,
    the problem is highly likely to be mechanical.



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  • From Heriberto@21:1/5 to Kurt Draper on Mon Aug 17 14:53:31 2020
    On 01/03/2020 04:04 p. m., Kurt Draper wrote:
    I posted about this radio last week. A gentleman named Michael answered me. The radio is a Coronado 46 RA 85762A. The other numbers on the chassis are 6A85 113145. The dial is way off. 840 comes in at910 & 96.9 comes in at 95. He asked me about a
    damaged oscillator coil. It doesn’t show any signs of physical or heat damage. The trimmer on the tuning capacitor are within 1/2 turn of tight. Just to check, on AM, I tuned it to a local station at 900 KHz. I found the local oscillator on a digital
    radio at 1350 KHz. I don’t know what it’s supposed to be. Thanks for getting back to me so fast. Best Regards, Kurt

    Sent from my iPad


    It is very possible that the FI has been set to 450 khz. It will
    be enough that a new adjustment to 455 khz is made and
    everything will be solved
    Heriberto
    LU6DBU

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  • From Jay Hennigan@21:1/5 to Fox's Mercantile on Sun Aug 30 17:32:16 2020
    On 3/1/20 13:24, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
    On 3/1/20 3:15 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
    On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 3:56:03 PM UTC-5, Fox's Mercantile wrote:
    On 3/1/20 2:07 PM, Michael Terrell wrote:
    That would be a 450KHz IF, if the counter isn't loading
    down the oscillator with its input capacitance.

    That's the problem.
    Realign the IF to 455 KHz.


        That won't cause the dial to be of by 70KHz at that frequency.

    Correct.

    It will if you have to pad the LO to work 50 KHz off frequency at
    the low end. The resulting LC ratio fucks up the tracking at the
    high end.

    455 - 450 = 5 KHz difference, not 50. It won't really make a significant difference. Some early sets used 450 KHz IF, but 455 became the standard
    to reduce birdies.

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