• Re: Reading for today

    From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Mar 24 22:57:24 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
    and
    https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
    and
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
    (I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the
    issue well . . .)
    and >https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance

    And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite
    NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .
    The Taxpayer' Union (note the correct spelling) is a non-partisan, non-political group of caring intelligent New Zealander's. No wonder you hate them.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 25 11:26:30 2024
    https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
    and
    https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
    and
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
    (I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the
    issue well . . .)
    and https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance

    And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite
    NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 26 20:12:33 2024
    On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:26:30 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
    and
    https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
    and
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
    (I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the
    issue well . . .)
    and >https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance

    For the most part this is just a regurgitation of your relentless anti-government rhetoric. There is nothing much new here, being a
    continuation of your usual they-have-got-it-all-wrong line.

    And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite
    NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .

    Your rhetoric is so pointless that you have to include this sort of
    twaddle.




    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 27 07:57:38 2024
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:12:33 +1030, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:26:30 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
    and
    https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
    and
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
    (I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the
    issue well . . .)
    and >>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance

    For the most part this is just a regurgitation of your relentless >anti-government rhetoric. There is nothing much new here, being a >continuation of your usual they-have-got-it-all-wrong line.

    This is news from two days ago; the pundit website is one that is
    seldom [partisan - Brian Easton has given impartial comments on
    economic issues through quite a few governments; he is more concerned
    with explaining what is happening than with any partisan rhetoric.

    Now hear is another article which you may well see as anti-government
    - it is certainly against their stealth legislation!

    https://coalaction.org.nz/news/shane-jones-chris-bishop-and-simeon-brown-want-the-power-to-authorise-mines-and-motorways-on-behalf-of-their-mates-with-the-click-of-a-pen-heres-how-to-fight-back

    The government has taken on extraordinary powers, but does not list
    the projects it plans to approve :

    "This process is unaccountable, undemocratic, will lead to bad
    projects being rubber-stamped, and is all too open to corruption. It
    is also, to put it mildly, highly misleading: the Bill was supposed to
    include two initial lists of projects to be fast-tracked, but when it
    was introduced, those lists were left blank.

    Chris Bishop expects you to take his explanation of this at face
    value:

    “Bishop told TVNZ the projects were not published because he was
    worried it would “overwhelm” the select committee.”

    Yeah, right. In reality, the Government knows that New Zealanders will
    be even more outraged if they see the list of environment- and
    climate-wrecking projects that these Ministers and their donor &
    industry mates have cooked up."

    and
    “Forest & Bird’s Capie fears the Te Kuha coal mine and the Ruataniwha
    dam and irrigation scheme – two projects which courts have ruled
    against – could be resurrected under the act.

    The Te Kuha coal mine needed three sets of permission to proceed
    including resource consents, permission to mine public conservation
    land and permission to mine the public reserve. It previously lost in
    all three processes.”




    And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite
    NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .

    Your rhetoric is so pointless that you have to include this sort of
    twaddle.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Mar 26 20:14:17 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:12:33 +1030, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:26:30 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
    and
    https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
    and
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
    (I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the
    issue well . . .)
    and >>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance

    For the most part this is just a regurgitation of your relentless >>anti-government rhetoric. There is nothing much new here, being a >>continuation of your usual they-have-got-it-all-wrong line.

    This is news from two days ago; the pundit website is one that is
    seldom [partisan - Brian Easton has given impartial comments on
    economic issues through quite a few governments; he is more concerned
    with explaining what is happening than with any partisan rhetoric.

    Now hear is another article which you may well see as anti-government
    - it is certainly against their stealth legislation!

    https://coalaction.org.nz/news/shane-jones-chris-bishop-and-simeon-brown-want-the-power-to-authorise-mines-and-motorways-on-behalf-of-their-mates-with-the-click-of-a-pen-heres-how-to-fight-back

    The government has taken on extraordinary powers, but does not list
    the projects it plans to approve :

    "This process is unaccountable, undemocratic, will lead to bad
    projects being rubber-stamped, and is all too open to corruption. It
    is also, to put it mildly, highly misleading: the Bill was supposed to >include two initial lists of projects to be fast-tracked, but when it
    was introduced, those lists were left blank.

    Chris Bishop expects you to take his explanation of this at face
    value:

    “Bishop told TVNZ the projects were not published because he was
    worried it would “overwhelm” the select committee.”

    Yeah, right. In reality, the Government knows that New Zealanders will
    be even more outraged if they see the list of environment- and >climate-wrecking projects that these Ministers and their donor &
    industry mates have cooked up."

    and
    “Forest & Bird’s Capie fears the Te Kuha coal mine and the Ruataniwha
    dam and irrigation scheme – two projects which courts have ruled
    against – could be resurrected under the act.

    The Te Kuha coal mine needed three sets of permission to proceed
    including resource consents, permission to mine public conservation
    land and permission to mine the public reserve. It previously lost in
    all three processes.”




    And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite
    NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .

    Your rhetoric is so pointless that you have to include this sort of >>twaddle.
    What a crock - your bullshit is astounding with its lack of integrity. The last government was the one that introduced stealth legislation and you conveniently forget that - of course!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed Mar 27 13:43:45 2024
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:14:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:12:33 +1030, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:

    On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:26:30 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
    and
    https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
    and
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
    (I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the >>>>issue well . . .)
    and >>>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance

    For the most part this is just a regurgitation of your relentless >>>anti-government rhetoric. There is nothing much new here, being a >>>continuation of your usual they-have-got-it-all-wrong line.

    This is news from two days ago; the pundit website is one that is
    seldom [partisan - Brian Easton has given impartial comments on
    economic issues through quite a few governments; he is more concerned
    with explaining what is happening than with any partisan rhetoric.

    Now hear is another article which you may well see as anti-government
    - it is certainly against their stealth legislation!
    https://coalaction.org.nz/news/shane-jones-chris-bishop-and-simeon-brown-want-the-power-to-authorise-mines-and-motorways-on-behalf-of-their-mates-with-the-click-of-a-pen-heres-how-to-fight-back

    The government has taken on extraordinary powers, but does not list
    the projects it plans to approve :

    "This process is unaccountable, undemocratic, will lead to bad
    projects being rubber-stamped, and is all too open to corruption. It
    is also, to put it mildly, highly misleading: the Bill was supposed to >>include two initial lists of projects to be fast-tracked, but when it
    was introduced, those lists were left blank.

    Chris Bishop expects you to take his explanation of this at face
    value:

    “Bishop told TVNZ the projects were not published because he was
    worried it would “overwhelm” the select committee.”

    Yeah, right. In reality, the Government knows that New Zealanders will
    be even more outraged if they see the list of environment- and >>climate-wrecking projects that these Ministers and their donor &
    industry mates have cooked up."

    and
    “Forest & Bird’s Capie fears the Te Kuha coal mine and the Ruataniwha
    dam and irrigation scheme – two projects which courts have ruled
    against – could be resurrected under the act.

    The Te Kuha coal mine needed three sets of permission to proceed
    including resource consents, permission to mine public conservation
    land and permission to mine the public reserve. It previously lost in
    all three processes.”




    And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite >>>>NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .

    Your rhetoric is so pointless that you have to include this sort of >>>twaddle.
    What a crock - your bullshit is astounding with its lack of integrity. The last
    government was the one that introduced stealth legislation and you conveniently
    forget that - of course!

    So how did that go for them, Tony?

    Did they authorise a project that has been rejected by the courts
    under three separate laws? Do you think it would be OK for the
    current government to authorise such a project?


    you appear to be implying that whatever the previous government did
    makes it OK for the current government to repeat it - I suspect most
    people reject that argument, Tony.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Mar 27 02:14:05 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:14:17 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Mar 2024 20:12:33 +1030, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:

    On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 11:26:30 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:

    https://thekaka.substack.com/p/simeon-brown-threatens-councils-on
    and
    https://morgue.isprettyawesome.com/?p=7932&cpage=1#comment-61397
    and
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350223768/cartoon-march-24
    (I may have posted that previously, but it really does capture the >>>>>issue well . . .)
    and >>>>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/fiscal-policy-is-getting-harder-according-to-the-minister-of-finance

    For the most part this is just a regurgitation of your relentless >>>>anti-government rhetoric. There is nothing much new here, being a >>>>continuation of your usual they-have-got-it-all-wrong line.

    This is news from two days ago; the pundit website is one that is
    seldom [partisan - Brian Easton has given impartial comments on
    economic issues through quite a few governments; he is more concerned >>>with explaining what is happening than with any partisan rhetoric.

    Now hear is another article which you may well see as anti-government
    - it is certainly against their stealth legislation!
    https://coalaction.org.nz/news/shane-jones-chris-bishop-and-simeon-brown-want-the-power-to-authorise-mines-and-motorways-on-behalf-of-their-mates-with-the-click-of-a-pen-heres-how-to-fight-back

    The government has taken on extraordinary powers, but does not list
    the projects it plans to approve :

    "This process is unaccountable, undemocratic, will lead to bad
    projects being rubber-stamped, and is all too open to corruption. It
    is also, to put it mildly, highly misleading: the Bill was supposed to >>>include two initial lists of projects to be fast-tracked, but when it
    was introduced, those lists were left blank.

    Chris Bishop expects you to take his explanation of this at face
    value:

    “Bishop told TVNZ the projects were not published because he was
    worried it would “overwhelm” the select committee.”

    Yeah, right. In reality, the Government knows that New Zealanders will
    be even more outraged if they see the list of environment- and >>>climate-wrecking projects that these Ministers and their donor &
    industry mates have cooked up."

    and
    “Forest & Bird’s Capie fears the Te Kuha coal mine and the Ruataniwha
    dam and irrigation scheme – two projects which courts have ruled
    against – could be resurrected under the act.

    The Te Kuha coal mine needed three sets of permission to proceed >>>including resource consents, permission to mine public conservation
    land and permission to mine the public reserve. It previously lost in
    all three processes.”




    And for Tony's benefit, none of the above are linked to his favourite >>>>>NZ Taxpayer Union, but I'm sure you can find their site, Tony . . .

    Your rhetoric is so pointless that you have to include this sort of >>>>twaddle.
    What a crock - your bullshit is astounding with its lack of integrity. The >>last
    government was the one that introduced stealth legislation and you >>conveniently
    forget that - of course!

    So how did that go for them, Tony?
    They got unceremoniously discarded. Don't you remember? Hipkins and Ardern before him were thrown out with the other trash.

    Did they authorise a project that has been rejected by the courts
    under three separate laws?
    Irrelevant.
    Do you think it would be OK for the
    current government to authorise such a project?
    Non-sequitur.


    you appear to be implying that whatever the previous government did
    makes it OK for the current government to repeat it - I suspect most
    people reject that argument, Tony.
    Your are inferring, I am implying nothing.

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