• Peters Will Destroy This Coalition Yet

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 20 05:12:13 2024
    Now he’s saying Luxon was “misinformed by the media” over his “Nazi Germany” comments.

    That’s the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors, then come out
    and present a united front. Airing your dirty linen in public just hurts confidence in the entire Government.

    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the
    weakest link.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Wed Mar 20 05:47:20 2024
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Now he’s saying Luxon was “misinformed by the media” over his “Nazi >Germany” comments.

    That’s the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors, then come out
    and present a united front. Airing your dirty linen in public just hurts >confidence in the entire Government.

    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the >weakest link.
    It is clear that you are opposed to any government that is to the right of Karl Marx and that makes your opinions nonsense.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed Mar 20 19:31:42 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:47:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Now he’s saying Luxon was “misinformed by the media? over his “Nazi >>Germany? comments.

    That’s the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors, then come out >>and present a united front. Airing your dirty linen in public just hurts >>confidence in the entire Government.

    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the >>weakest link.
    It is clear that you are opposed to any government that is to the right of Karl
    Marx and that makes your opinions nonsense.

    We seem to often have coalition governments these days - not all
    Coalitions will to the right of centre or to the left of centre.
    Wherever the government lies in that dimension, there will always be a
    weakest link, and we are unlikely to all agree on who that is. I am
    sure you can understand why some National Party supporters would have
    preferred that it to have been possible to have had less than three
    parties in the coalition. Who do you see as the strongest link in the
    current coalition, and who the weakest, Tony?

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Wed Mar 20 06:53:30 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the >weakest link.

    In your dreams.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Wed Mar 20 07:14:11 2024
    On 2024-03-20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Now he’s saying Luxon was “misinformed by the media” over his “Nazi Germany” comments.

    Let try this fact. He did not metion Nazi or Germany in his speech, it was
    the MSN take powered right into mis-information mode which has got the
    masses following along like the rats after the piped piper.

    That’s the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors, then come out
    and present a united front. Airing your dirty linen in public just hurts confidence in the entire Government.

    Some new glases, or thought is required as the laundry is not from Winston.


    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the weakest link.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Mar 20 07:21:40 2024
    On 2024-03-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:47:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Now he’s saying Luxon was “misinformed by the mediaâ€? over his “Nazi
    Germany� comments.

    That’s the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors, then come out >>>and present a united front. Airing your dirty linen in public just hurts >>>confidence in the entire Government.

    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the >>>weakest link.
    It is clear that you are opposed to any government that is to the right of Karl
    Marx and that makes your opinions nonsense.

    We seem to often have coalition governments these days - not all
    Coalitions will to the right of centre or to the left of centre.
    Wherever the government lies in that dimension, there will always be a weakest link, and we are unlikely to all agree on who that is. I am
    sure you can understand why some National Party supporters would have preferred that it to have been possible to have had less than three
    parties in the coalition. Who do you see as the strongest link in the
    current coalition, and who the weakest, Tony?

    There is no I in team, which is what a coalition is.

    New Zealand still has not totally got it. MMP is supposed to great a more balanced reprenstation than FFP and as a Government much more like the
    public.

    Concentrate on the issues, not the person is a good start.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed Mar 20 20:22:34 2024
    On 20 Mar 2024 07:21:40 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-03-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:47:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Now he??s saying Luxon was ??misinformed by the media?? over his ??Nazi >>>>Germany?? comments.

    That??s the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors, then come out >>>>and present a united front. Airing your dirty linen in public just hurts >>>>confidence in the entire Government.

    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the >>>>weakest link.
    It is clear that you are opposed to any government that is to the right of Karl
    Marx and that makes your opinions nonsense.

    We seem to often have coalition governments these days - not all
    Coalitions will to the right of centre or to the left of centre.
    Wherever the government lies in that dimension, there will always be a
    weakest link, and we are unlikely to all agree on who that is. I am
    sure you can understand why some National Party supporters would have
    preferred that it to have been possible to have had less than three
    parties in the coalition. Who do you see as the strongest link in the
    current coalition, and who the weakest, Tony?

    There is no I in team, which is what a coalition is.

    New Zealand still has not totally got it. MMP is supposed to great a more >balanced reprenstation than FFP and as a Government much more like the >public.

    Concentrate on the issues, not the person is a good start.

    In terms of issues, ACT has probably achieved more of their objectives
    than the other two parties, and without legislation being needed.
    Powerful stuff.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Wed Mar 20 07:28:37 2024
    On 2024-03-20, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Now he’s saying Luxon was “misinformed by the media” over his “Nazi Germany” comments.

    Some reading from Winston. It is a short read, but it does clear the issue.

    https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2024/03/rt-hon-winston-peters-media.html

    That’s the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors, then come out
    and present a united front. Airing your dirty linen in public just hurts confidence in the entire Government.

    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the weakest link.

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Mar 21 05:03:45 2024
    On 20 Mar 2024 07:21:40 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:


    New Zealand still has not totally got it. MMP is supposed to great a more >balanced reprenstation than FFP and as a Government much more like the >public.

    In a political sense, MMP is the worst thing to ever happen to this
    country.

    Bill.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Mar 20 18:43:06 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:47:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Now he’s saying Luxon was “misinformed by the media? over his “Nazi >>>Germany? comments.

    That’s the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors, then come out >>>and present a united front. Airing your dirty linen in public just hurts >>>confidence in the entire Government.

    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the >>>weakest link.
    It is clear that you are opposed to any government that is to the right of >>Karl
    Marx and that makes your opinions nonsense.

    We seem to often have coalition governments these days - not all
    Coalitions will to the right of centre or to the left of centre.
    Wherever the government lies in that dimension, there will always be a >weakest link, and we are unlikely to all agree on who that is. I am
    sure you can understand why some National Party supporters would have >preferred that it to have been possible to have had less than three
    parties in the coalition. Who do you see as the strongest link in the
    current coalition, and who the weakest, Tony?
    Nothing to do with the topic. Start your own thread.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Thu Mar 21 08:46:12 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:12:13 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Now hes saying Luxon was misinformed by the media over his Nazi
    Germany comments.

    Thats the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors, then come out
    and present a united front. Airing your dirty linen in public just hurts >confidence in the entire Government.

    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the >weakest link.

    It was always clear that Peters was the greatest threat to the
    political stability of the current Government. Those of us who have
    been around since Peters first came to Parliament in 1979 will be well
    aware of why.

    We should remember that Luxon is now as experienced as Peters was in
    1982. It is also worth remembering that everyone except National
    ruled out Peters as a Coalition partner. Yes this includes ACT, and
    in the current Government ACT and NZF are partners to National but not
    each other.

    If Luxon has not already sought advice from Dame Jenny Shipley and
    potentially Helen Clark and Jim Bolger on how to get rid of Winston
    should the occasion demand it, then he should.


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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Tony on Wed Mar 20 22:42:29 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:47:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:

    [Ranty McRantFace]

    There is a term for your reaction to the plain facts I was stating: it’s “butthurt”.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Thu Mar 21 00:46:01 2024
    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:47:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:


    There is a term for your reaction to the plain facts I was stating:
    Since you have deleted what transpired before your abusive post I can only guess that you have paid me the compliment of being correct and you are admitting your bias.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 21 15:21:06 2024
    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 08:46:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:12:13 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Now hes saying Luxon was misinformed by the media over his Nazi >>Germany comments.

    Thats the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors, then come out
    and present a united front. Airing your dirty linen in public just hurts >>confidence in the entire Government.

    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the >>weakest link.

    It was always clear that Peters was the greatest threat to the
    political stability of the current Government. Those of us who have
    been around since Peters first came to Parliament in 1979 will be well
    aware of why.

    We should remember that Luxon is now as experienced as Peters was in
    1982. It is also worth remembering that everyone except National
    ruled out Peters as a Coalition partner. Yes this includes ACT, and
    in the current Government ACT and NZF are partners to National but not
    each other.

    If Luxon has not already sought advice from Dame Jenny Shipley and >potentially Helen Clark and Jim Bolger on how to get rid of Winston
    should the occasion demand it, then he should.

    Peters is behaving as if this is his last term in government, and that
    is likely to be the case. There is no replacement leader in NZ1st so
    he has been prepared to allow anyone to represent the party - we will
    be better off without them. 1982 is a very long time ago, and I
    suspect Peters was at that time already an effective politician -
    albeit one that even then only appealed to a small section of voters.
    Luxon may get part way there by the end of this term if the government
    survives that long

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Mar 21 15:29:37 2024
    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 00:46:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:47:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:


    There is a term for your reaction to the plain facts I was stating:
    Since you have deleted what transpired before your abusive post I can only >guess that you have paid me the compliment of being correct and you are >admitting your bias.

    [Ranty McRantFace]

    I agree, it is a good summary of the facts that you were stating,
    Tony. I usefully summarises the admiration readers of nz.general have
    for your incisive and eloquent posts - if you just reply with [Rant]
    it will save you time while retaining the respect and admiration for
    you that is held by readers of nz.general, while also saving you and
    others time on posts that do on occasion not totally coincide with
    your insightful thoughts.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 21 02:46:45 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 00:46:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:47:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:


    There is a term for your reaction to the plain facts I was stating:
    Since you have deleted what transpired before your abusive post I can only >>guess that you have paid me the compliment of being correct and you are >>admitting your bias.


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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 21 02:47:40 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 18:43:06 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:47:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Now he’s saying Luxon was “misinformed by the media? over his >>>>>“Nazi
    Germany? comments.

    That’s the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors, then come out >>>>>and present a united front. Airing your dirty linen in public just hurts >>>>>confidence in the entire Government.

    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the >>>>>weakest link.
    It is clear that you are opposed to any government that is to the right of >>>>Karl
    Marx and that makes your opinions nonsense.

    We seem to often have coalition governments these days - not all >>>Coalitions will to the right of centre or to the left of centre.
    Wherever the government lies in that dimension, there will always be a >>>weakest link, and we are unlikely to all agree on who that is. I am
    sure you can understand why some National Party supporters would have >>>preferred that it to have been possible to have had less than three >>>parties in the coalition. Who do you see as the strongest link in the >>>current coalition, and who the weakest, Tony?
    Nothing to do with the topic. Start your own thread.
    Off topic and idiotic question.

    Off topic.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Mar 21 16:08:14 2024
    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 02:46:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 00:46:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:47:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:


    There is a term for your reaction to the plain facts I was stating:

    That is a better post, Tony, but your contribution did not go quite
    far enough to go from negative to zero impact - I have improved it for
    you . . .

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Mar 21 15:15:33 2024
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 18:43:06 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:47:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    Now he’s saying Luxon was “misinformed by the media? over his “Nazi >>>>Germany? comments.

    That’s the kind of thing you discuss behind closed doors, then come out >>>>and present a united front. Airing your dirty linen in public just hurts >>>>confidence in the entire Government.

    Right from the beginning of the Coalition, it was clear Peters was the >>>>weakest link.
    It is clear that you are opposed to any government that is to the right of >>>Karl
    Marx and that makes your opinions nonsense.

    We seem to often have coalition governments these days - not all
    Coalitions will to the right of centre or to the left of centre.
    Wherever the government lies in that dimension, there will always be a >>weakest link, and we are unlikely to all agree on who that is. I am
    sure you can understand why some National Party supporters would have >>preferred that it to have been possible to have had less than three
    parties in the coalition. Who do you see as the strongest link in the >>current coalition, and who the weakest, Tony?
    Nothing to do with the topic. Start your own thread.
    Your comment is therefore also off topic, Tony. Do you agree or
    disagree that Peters will destroy this Coalition?

    While I understand the sentiment, I suspect all three leaders are
    competing for who does the most damage - and it is possible that none
    of them will be in the next parliament, let alone the next government.
    Now see if you can respond by keeping to the topic, Tony . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 21 03:59:54 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 02:46:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 00:46:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:47:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:


    There is a term for your reaction to the plain facts I was stating:

    That is a better post, Tony, but your contribution did not go quite
    far enough to go from negative to zero impact - I have improved it for
    you . . .
    You couldn't improve the stink of your dogshit abuse and lies if you tried.
    And nobody else would care enough to try.
    Your sarcsam and childishness are a stain on humanity.

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