The mayor of Auckland can bee quite blunt: >https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/infrastructure/roads-of-national-party-significance-wayne-brown-questions-auckland-highwaysWrong - the new roads are vital, and getting rid of of the idiotic focus on expensive, unworkable public transport (in this country) is intelligent.
That article is mostly behind a paywall, but this may explain some of
the concerns: >https://twitter.com/ScootFoundation/status/1764367850830176476?cxt=HBwWuIPRncvNpfwwAAAA
and
https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1764365626200732025
and concern about the whole direction of the changes >https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-03-2024/were-spending-billions-of-dollars-to-make-traffic-worse
Simeon Brown is taking us all on the wrong track . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
The mayor of Auckland can bee quite blunt: >https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/infrastructure/roads-of-national-party-significance-wayne-brown-questions-auckland-highways
That article is mostly behind a paywall, but this may explain some of
the concerns: >https://twitter.com/ScootFoundation/status/1764367850830176476?cxt=HBwWuIPRncvNpfwwAAAA
and
https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1764365626200732025
and concern about the whole direction of the changes >https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-03-2024/were-spending-billions-of-dollars-to-make-traffic-worse
Simeon Brown is taking us all on the wrong track . . .Wrong - the new roads are vital, and getting rid of of the idiotic focus on expensive, unworkable public transport (in this country) is intelligent.
In article <part1of1.1.CQMNCcFCpTK0rg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nzNobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it by public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar journey twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
says...
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
The mayor of Auckland can bee quite blunt:Wrong - the new roads are vital, and getting rid of of the idiotic focus on >> expensive, unworkable public transport (in this country) is intelligent.
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/infrastructure/roads-of-national-party-significance-wayne-brown-questions-auckland-highways
That article is mostly behind a paywall, but this may explain some of
the concerns:
https://twitter.com/ScootFoundation/status/1764367850830176476?cxt=HBwWuIPRncvNpfwwAAAA
and
https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1764365626200732025
and concern about the whole direction of the changes
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-03-2024/were-spending-billions-of-dollars-to-make-traffic-worse
Simeon Brown is taking us all on the wrong track . . .
What makes you think public transport is unworkable in this country?
If you want to drive and you don't want to get stuck in traffic you want
as many other people as possible to take some other form of transport
instead of getting in your way. Every person riding a bus, taking a
train, walking or cycling is a person that isn't slowing down your trip
on the road.
Providing people with viable alternatives to driving is the only proven
tool, and also the cheapest tool, for reducing congestion. There is more
than enough research demonstrating that you can't just keep adding road
lanes to get rid of congestion.
Forcing everyone to drive just guarantees congestion.
Nobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you >want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it by >public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar journey >twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 >hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
There is more
than enough research
demonstrating that you can't just keep adding road
lanes to get rid of congestion.
Forcing everyone to drive just guarantees congestion.
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.CQMNCcFCpTK0rg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>says...Nobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you >want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it by >public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar journey >twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 >hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
The mayor of Auckland can bee quite blunt:Wrong - the new roads are vital, and getting rid of of the idiotic focus on >>> expensive, unworkable public transport (in this country) is intelligent.
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/infrastructure/roads-of-national-party-significance-wayne-brown-questions-auckland-highways
That article is mostly behind a paywall, but this may explain some of
the concerns:
https://twitter.com/ScootFoundation/status/1764367850830176476?cxt=HBwWuIPRncvNpfwwAAAA
and
https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1764365626200732025
and concern about the whole direction of the changes
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-03-2024/were-spending-billions-of-dollars-to-make-traffic-worse
Simeon Brown is taking us all on the wrong track . . .
What makes you think public transport is unworkable in this country?
If you want to drive and you don't want to get stuck in traffic you want
as many other people as possible to take some other form of transport >>instead of getting in your way. Every person riding a bus, taking a
train, walking or cycling is a person that isn't slowing down your trip
on the road.
Providing people with viable alternatives to driving is the only proven >>tool, and also the cheapest tool, for reducing congestion. There is more >>than enough research demonstrating that you can't just keep adding road >>lanes to get rid of congestion.
Forcing everyone to drive just guarantees congestion.
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.CQMNCcFCpTK0rg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >says...
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
The mayor of Auckland can bee quite blunt:Wrong - the new roads are vital, and getting rid of of the idiotic focus on
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/infrastructure/roads-of-national-party-significance-wayne-brown-questions-auckland-highways
That article is mostly behind a paywall, but this may explain some of
the concerns:
https://twitter.com/ScootFoundation/status/1764367850830176476?cxt=HBwWuIPRncvNpfwwAAAA
and
https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1764365626200732025
and concern about the whole direction of the changes
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-03-2024/were-spending-billions-of-dollars-to-make-traffic-worse
Simeon Brown is taking us all on the wrong track . . .
expensive, unworkable public transport (in this country) is intelligent.
What makes you think public transport is unworkable in this country?
If you want to drive and you don't want to get stuck in traffic you want
as many other people as possible to take some other form of transport >instead of getting in your way. Every person riding a bus, taking a
train, walking or cycling is a person that isn't slowing down your trip
on the road.
Providing people with viable alternatives to driving is the only proven >tool, and also the cheapest tool, for reducing congestion. There is more >than enough research demonstrating that you can't just keep adding road >lanes to get rid of congestion.
Forcing everyone to drive just guarantees congestion.Nobody is forcing people to drive.
Public transport is important but if you
want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it by public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar journey twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 03:56:50 -0000 (UTC), TonyNobody is talking about in-city transport you fool.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.CQMNCcFCpTK0rg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>says...Nobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you >>want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it by >>public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar journey >>twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 >>hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
What makes you think public transport is unworkable in this country?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
The mayor of Auckland can bee quite blunt:
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/infrastructure/roads-of-national-party-significance-wayne-brown-questions-auckland-highways
That article is mostly behind a paywall, but this may explain some of >>>> >the concerns:
https://twitter.com/ScootFoundation/status/1764367850830176476?cxt=HBwWuIPRncvNpfwwAAAA
and
https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1764365626200732025
and concern about the whole direction of the changes
Wrong - the new roads are vital, and getting rid of of the idiotic focus >>>>onhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-03-2024/were-spending-billions-of-dollars-to-make-traffic-worse
Simeon Brown is taking us all on the wrong track . . .
expensive, unworkable public transport (in this country) is intelligent. >>>
If you want to drive and you don't want to get stuck in traffic you want >>>as many other people as possible to take some other form of transport >>>instead of getting in your way. Every person riding a bus, taking a >>>train, walking or cycling is a person that isn't slowing down your trip >>>on the road.
Providing people with viable alternatives to driving is the only proven >>>tool, and also the cheapest tool, for reducing congestion. There is more >>>than enough research demonstrating that you can't just keep adding road >>>lanes to get rid of congestion.
Forcing everyone to drive just guarantees congestion.
A lot of people in Auckland would like to have a rail service that
takes them a far shorter distance - but an obsession with roads has
now meant that journeys at peak hours take much more time - and
building more roads is making it worse. Then there is common sense -
the Mayor pointed out two places where all that is needed is to fix an >intersection - it does not need another motorway!
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:3 hours from Wellington to Dannevirke is par for the course - no speeding.
Nobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you >>want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it by >>public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar journey >>twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 >>hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
Mate, with respect to your point, if you drive from Wellington to
Hawkes Bay in 2 hours, the only reason you haven't been pulled off the
road is because you have been outrunning the cops all the way, every
time!
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 03:56:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.CQMNCcFCpTK0rg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>says...Nobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you >>want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it by >>public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar journey >>twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 >>hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
What makes you think public transport is unworkable in this country?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
The mayor of Auckland can bee quite blunt:Wrong - the new roads are vital, and getting rid of of the idiotic focus on
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/infrastructure/roads-of-national-party-significance-wayne-brown-questions-auckland-highways
That article is mostly behind a paywall, but this may explain some of >>>> >the concerns:
https://twitter.com/ScootFoundation/status/1764367850830176476?cxt=HBwWuIPRncvNpfwwAAAA
and
https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1764365626200732025
and concern about the whole direction of the changes
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-03-2024/were-spending-billions-of-dollars-to-make-traffic-worse
Simeon Brown is taking us all on the wrong track . . .
expensive, unworkable public transport (in this country) is intelligent. >>>
If you want to drive and you don't want to get stuck in traffic you want >>>as many other people as possible to take some other form of transport >>>instead of getting in your way. Every person riding a bus, taking a >>>train, walking or cycling is a person that isn't slowing down your trip >>>on the road.
Providing people with viable alternatives to driving is the only proven >>>tool, and also the cheapest tool, for reducing congestion. There is more >>>than enough research demonstrating that you can't just keep adding road >>>lanes to get rid of congestion.
Forcing everyone to drive just guarantees congestion.
A lot of people in Auckland would like to have a rail service that
takes them a far shorter distance
- but an obsession with roads has
now meant that journeys at peak hours take much more time - and
building more roads is making it worse.
Then there is common sense -
the Mayor pointed out two places where all that is needed is to fix an >intersection - it does not need another motorway!
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 03:56:50 -0000 (UTC), TonyNobody is talking about in-city transport you fool.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.CQMNCcFCpTK0rg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>>says...Nobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you >>>want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it by >>>public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar journey
What makes you think public transport is unworkable in this country?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
The mayor of Auckland can bee quite blunt:
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/infrastructure/roads-of-national-party-significance-wayne-brown-questions-auckland-highways
That article is mostly behind a paywall, but this may explain some of >>>>> >the concerns:
https://twitter.com/ScootFoundation/status/1764367850830176476?cxt=HBwWuIPRncvNpfwwAAAA
and
https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1764365626200732025
and concern about the whole direction of the changes
Wrong - the new roads are vital, and getting rid of of the idiotic focus >>>>>onhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-03-2024/were-spending-billions-of-dollars-to-make-traffic-worse
Simeon Brown is taking us all on the wrong track . . .
expensive, unworkable public transport (in this country) is intelligent. >>>>
If you want to drive and you don't want to get stuck in traffic you want >>>>as many other people as possible to take some other form of transport >>>>instead of getting in your way. Every person riding a bus, taking a >>>>train, walking or cycling is a person that isn't slowing down your trip >>>>on the road.
Providing people with viable alternatives to driving is the only proven >>>>tool, and also the cheapest tool, for reducing congestion. There is more >>>>than enough research demonstrating that you can't just keep adding road >>>>lanes to get rid of congestion.
Forcing everyone to drive just guarantees congestion.
twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 >>>hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
A lot of people in Auckland would like to have a rail service that
takes them a far shorter distance - but an obsession with roads has
now meant that journeys at peak hours take much more time - and
building more roads is making it worse. Then there is common sense -
the Mayor pointed out two places where all that is needed is to fix an >>intersection - it does not need another motorway!
wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:And Wellington to Hastings is nearly 4 hours, with an extra quarter
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:3 hours from Wellington to Dannevirke is par for the course - no speeding.
Nobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you >>>want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it by >>>public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar journey
twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 >>>hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
Mate, with respect to your point, if you drive from Wellington to
Hawkes Bay in 2 hours, the only reason you haven't been pulled off the
road is because you have been outrunning the cops all the way, every
time!
Of course 2 hours is nonsense but I was not referring to that journey.
The journey I do is similar but nowhere near Wellington.
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 19:13:01 -0000 (UTC), TonySo you agree that public transport for that sort of journey is not a good choicve. Good>
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:And Wellington to Hastings is nearly 4 hours, with an extra quarter
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:3 hours from Wellington to Dannevirke is par for the course - no speeding. >>Of course 2 hours is nonsense but I was not referring to that journey.
Nobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you >>>>want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it >>>>by
public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar >>>>journey
twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 >>>>hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
Mate, with respect to your point, if you drive from Wellington to
Hawkes Bay in 2 hours, the only reason you haven't been pulled off the >>>road is because you have been outrunning the cops all the way, every >>>time!
The journey I do is similar but nowhere near Wellington.
hour to Napier. There and back if effectively a full day - if you
have much to do it may require an overnight stay, and arranging a hire >vehicle may not be easy from some rail stations.
Sadly the Waikato expressway was a huge missed opportunity forOff topic.
re-aligning rail as well as road - it should have had rail along the
same corridor, able to run at higher speeds - sadly the then
government was fixated on roads; passenger transport, and indeed
freight transport, would have been greatly improved by a straighter
rail line. Now we are heading into another blinkered government not
able to see the wider picture.
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 19:10:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 03:56:50 -0000 (UTC), TonyNobody is talking about in-city transport you fool.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.CQMNCcFCpTK0rg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>>>says...Nobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you >>>>want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it >>>>by
What makes you think public transport is unworkable in this country?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
The mayor of Auckland can bee quite blunt:
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/infrastructure/roads-of-national-party-significance-wayne-brown-questions-auckland-highways
That article is mostly behind a paywall, but this may explain some of >>>>>> >the concerns:
https://twitter.com/ScootFoundation/status/1764367850830176476?cxt=HBwWuIPRncvNpfwwAAAA
and
https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1764365626200732025
and concern about the whole direction of the changes
Wrong - the new roads are vital, and getting rid of of the idiotic focus >>>>>>onhttps://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-03-2024/were-spending-billions-of-dollars-to-make-traffic-worse
Simeon Brown is taking us all on the wrong track . . .
expensive, unworkable public transport (in this country) is intelligent. >>>>>
If you want to drive and you don't want to get stuck in traffic you want >>>>>as many other people as possible to take some other form of transport >>>>>instead of getting in your way. Every person riding a bus, taking a >>>>>train, walking or cycling is a person that isn't slowing down your trip >>>>>on the road.
Providing people with viable alternatives to driving is the only proven >>>>>tool, and also the cheapest tool, for reducing congestion. There is more >>>>>than enough research demonstrating that you can't just keep adding road >>>>>lanes to get rid of congestion.
Forcing everyone to drive just guarantees congestion.
public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar >>>>journey
twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 >>>>hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
A lot of people in Auckland would like to have a rail service that
takes them a far shorter distance - but an obsession with roads has
now meant that journeys at peak hours take much more time - and
building more roads is making it worse. Then there is common sense -
the Mayor pointed out two places where all that is needed is to fix an >>>intersection - it does not need another motorway!
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 03:56:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.CQMNCcFCpTK0rg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>says...Nobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you >>want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it by >>public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar journey >>twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 >>hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
What makes you think public transport is unworkable in this country?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
The mayor of Auckland can bee quite blunt:Wrong - the new roads are vital, and getting rid of of the idiotic focus on
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/infrastructure/roads-of-national-party-significance-wayne-brown-questions-auckland-highways
That article is mostly behind a paywall, but this may explain some of >>>> >the concerns:
https://twitter.com/ScootFoundation/status/1764367850830176476?cxt=HBwWuIPRncvNpfwwAAAA
and
https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1764365626200732025
and concern about the whole direction of the changes
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-03-2024/were-spending-billions-of-dollars-to-make-traffic-worse
Simeon Brown is taking us all on the wrong track . . .
expensive, unworkable public transport (in this country) is intelligent. >>>
If you want to drive and you don't want to get stuck in traffic you want >>>as many other people as possible to take some other form of transport >>>instead of getting in your way. Every person riding a bus, taking a >>>train, walking or cycling is a person that isn't slowing down your trip >>>on the road.
Providing people with viable alternatives to driving is the only proven >>>tool, and also the cheapest tool, for reducing congestion. There is more >>>than enough research demonstrating that you can't just keep adding road >>>lanes to get rid of congestion.
Forcing everyone to drive just guarantees congestion.
A lot of people in Auckland would like to have a rail service that
takes them a far shorter distance - but an obsession with roads has
now meant that journeys at peak hours take much more time - and
building more roads is making it worse. Then there is common sense -
the Mayor pointed out two places where all that is needed is to fix an intersection - it does not need another motorway!
On 2024-03-07, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 03:56:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.CQMNCcFCpTK0rg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>>says...Nobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you >>>want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it by >>>public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar journey
What makes you think public transport is unworkable in this country?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
The mayor of Auckland can bee quite blunt:Wrong - the new roads are vital, and getting rid of of the idiotic focus on
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/infrastructure/roads-of-national-party-significance-wayne-brown-questions-auckland-highways
That article is mostly behind a paywall, but this may explain some of >>>>> >the concerns:
https://twitter.com/ScootFoundation/status/1764367850830176476?cxt=HBwWuIPRncvNpfwwAAAA
and
https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1764365626200732025
and concern about the whole direction of the changes
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-03-2024/were-spending-billions-of-dollars-to-make-traffic-worse
Simeon Brown is taking us all on the wrong track . . .
expensive, unworkable public transport (in this country) is intelligent. >>>>
If you want to drive and you don't want to get stuck in traffic you want >>>>as many other people as possible to take some other form of transport >>>>instead of getting in your way. Every person riding a bus, taking a >>>>train, walking or cycling is a person that isn't slowing down your trip >>>>on the road.
Providing people with viable alternatives to driving is the only proven >>>>tool, and also the cheapest tool, for reducing congestion. There is more >>>>than enough research demonstrating that you can't just keep adding road >>>>lanes to get rid of congestion.
Forcing everyone to drive just guarantees congestion.
twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 >>>hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
A lot of people in Auckland would like to have a rail service that
takes them a far shorter distance - but an obsession with roads has
now meant that journeys at peak hours take much more time - and
building more roads is making it worse. Then there is common sense -
the Mayor pointed out two places where all that is needed is to fix an
intersection - it does not need another motorway!
This is the Think Big of our day, it is also Woke thinking. Just build more >motorways and this will solve the problem. No big picture thinking at all. >The motorist thinks the say way thus the Government builds what the
motorists want. Fair enough, but a little more debate might bring in more >factors for consideration.
There was a saying about 50 years ago, widen roads and live in cars.
On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 22:14:29 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 7 Mar 2024 03:56:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.CQMNCcFCpTK0rg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>says...Nobody is forcing people to drive. Public transport is important but if you >>want to travel to Hawkes Bay from Wellington you need a full day to do it by
What makes you think public transport is unworkable in this country?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
The mayor of Auckland can bee quite blunt:Wrong - the new roads are vital, and getting rid of of the idiotic focus on
https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/infrastructure/roads-of-national-party-significance-wayne-brown-questions-auckland-highways
That article is mostly behind a paywall, but this may explain some of >>>> >the concerns:
https://twitter.com/ScootFoundation/status/1764367850830176476?cxt=HBwWuIPRncvNpfwwAAAA
and
https://twitter.com/NewstalkZB/status/1764365626200732025
and concern about the whole direction of the changes
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/06-03-2024/were-spending-billions-of-dollars-to-make-traffic-worse
Simeon Brown is taking us all on the wrong track . . .
expensive, unworkable public transport (in this country) is intelligent. >>>
If you want to drive and you don't want to get stuck in traffic you want >>>as many other people as possible to take some other form of transport >>>instead of getting in your way. Every person riding a bus, taking a >>>train, walking or cycling is a person that isn't slowing down your trip >>>on the road.
Providing people with viable alternatives to driving is the only proven >>>tool, and also the cheapest tool, for reducing congestion. There is more >>>than enough research demonstrating that you can't just keep adding road >>>lanes to get rid of congestion.
Forcing everyone to drive just guarantees congestion.
public transport (if you are lucky) or 3 hours by car. I do a similar journey
twice a month, it takes me two hours, by public transport it would take 12 >>hours - no exaggeration. So we need decent roads.
A lot of people in Auckland would like to have a rail service that
takes them a far shorter distance
How many people would travel on the trains if they weren't heavily subsidised?
- but an obsession with roads has
now meant that journeys at peak hours take much more time - and
building more roads is making it worse.
The Auckland council has been creating traffic obstructions. You
don'tthink that might have something to do with the worsening
congestion?
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