• Re: Free Speech again

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 7 08:41:25 2024
    On Thu, 07 Mar 2024 08:40:06 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350203417/uni-discussions-professor-after-implying-govt-were-death-cult

    As Russell Brown has pointed out:
    "The problem here is that government controls the public money on
    which universities rely. When a governing party repeatedly searches
    out and names individual critics within that system, it is always an
    implicit threat."

    Reference here, with other pertinent comments: https://twitter.com/publicaddress/status/1765244076239020260?cxt=HBwWyIO3oc-ItP8wAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email


    The problem for the government is that while ACT has openly embraced
    free speech as a worthwhile principle - which indeed it is, but are
    now making clear that free speech should be a one way privilege . . .

    I have no problems with the university pointing out to the professor
    that the words are perhaps a little stronger than needed, but to have
    a government party threaten individual academics for opinions on
    Twitter is perhaps an illustration of hypocrisy, but also a
    possibility hat ACT have only pretended to support free speech for
    political purposes.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 7 08:40:06 2024
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350203417/uni-discussions-professor-after-implying-govt-were-death-cult

    As Russell Brown has pointed out:
    "The problem here is that government controls the public money on
    which universities rely. When a governing party repeatedly searches
    out and names individual critics within that system, it is always an
    implicit threat."

    The problem for the government is that while ACT has openly embraced
    free speech as a worthwhile principle - which indeed it is, but are
    now making clear that free speech should be a one way privilege . . .

    I have no problems with the university pointing out to the professor
    that the words are perhaps a little stronger than needed, but to have
    a government party threaten individual academics for opinions on
    Twitter is perhaps an illustration of hypocrisy, but also a
    possibility hat ACT have only pretended to support free speech for
    political purposes.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 7 00:30:26 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350203417/uni-discussions-professor-after-implying-govt-were-death-cult

    As Russell Brown has pointed out:
    "The problem here is that government controls the public money on
    which universities rely. When a governing party repeatedly searches
    out and names individual critics within that system, it is always an
    implicit threat."
    Wrong - government have evry right to involve themselves in the performance of anything they fund. Internal criticism is performance related.

    The problem for the government is that while ACT has openly embraced
    free speech as a worthwhile principle - which indeed it is, but are
    now making clear that free speech should be a one way privilege . . .
    No they are not - that is a lie.

    I have no problems with the university pointing out to the professor
    that the words are perhaps a little stronger than needed, but to have
    a government party threaten individual academics for opinions on
    Twitter is perhaps an illustration of hypocrisy, but also a
    possibility hat ACT have only pretended to support free speech for
    political purposes.
    And perhaps you are writing political rhetoric, in fact I know you are. Your implication is of course typical.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Mar 7 00:49:52 2024
    On 2024-03-06, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350203417/uni-discussions-professor-after-implying-govt-were-death-cult

    As Russell Brown has pointed out:
    "The problem here is that government controls the public money on
    which universities rely. When a governing party repeatedly searches
    out and names individual critics within that system, it is always an
    implicit threat."

    The problem for the government is that while ACT has openly embraced
    free speech as a worthwhile principle - which indeed it is, but are
    now making clear that free speech should be a one way privilege . . .

    Perhaps following from the example of the pervious Government.


    I have no problems with the university pointing out to the professor
    that the words are perhaps a little stronger than needed, but to have
    a government party threaten individual academics for opinions on
    Twitter is perhaps an illustration of hypocrisy, but also a
    possibility hat ACT have only pretended to support free speech for
    political purposes.


    "Kidman tweeted that there was “so much evidence that military-style
    youth boot camps don’t work and are expensive, that I can only
    assume that this government hates children”".

    Okay how about she calls in the data and displays it to help her arguement.



    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350202896/if-we-cut-school-lunches-were-not-allowed-lie-ourselves

    Then we have David Seymore doing a review saying that there is not any hard data to support case for lunches, so well cut them out.

    How about, lets get some more hard unbaised data and then see what it says.

    Verity Johnson makes some good point about how this is a complex matter. It well may need a review but one needs to go in with a everything on the table approach.

    There are links to the "homework" reading of the reports.

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