https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/posie-parker-protest-act-responds-to-tragedy-of-discharge-without-conviction-after-71-year-old-woman-punched/NY5MM62TOFGMJO3IOBMXYGYVWI/
A 71 year old woman hit 3 times in the face by a 21 year old man when she was >at a peaceful rally (he was the protester, not her). Is that justice?
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:57:17 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe judge found the offence had been committed. What is at stake is the lack of conviction, not the offending.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/posie-parker-protest-act-responds-to-tragedy-of-discharge-without-conviction-after-71-year-old-woman-punched/NY5MM62TOFGMJO3IOBMXYGYVWI/
A 71 year old woman hit 3 times in the face by a 21 year old man when she was >>at a peaceful rally (he was the protester, not her). Is that justice?
It is hard to tell what happened, isn't it. >https://twitter.com/A1Retta/status/1764523316130598955 >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/nana-bashed-at-posie-parker-rally-outraged-over-sentence-of-her-young-attacker/IP644WFAENBM5CWUWSMJCZNVQA/
https://twitter.com/A1Retta/status/1764818549724586004
Balancing free speech against the potential for harm caused by
extremism is not an easy call - allowing Parker to enter New Zealand
was consistent with that principle, but free speech does need to be
linked to responsibility and respect for the opinions of others. It
appears from these videos that respect for the opinions of others was
not strong on either side of this conflict.
I do not know if there were other prosecutions, but there does not
appear to be any reason to doubt that both the police and the courts
have not dealt properly with respect to their different duties to see >justice done - both would have had difficult decisions to make, and
they may well have had many other phone videos of not just this but
other physical clashes. There was provocation on both sides but
sometimes there is a price to be paid for basic human rights; and this
case may have illustrated that principle.
So was it justice? I cannot be certain, because I was not there and
did not hear or see all the evidence - under such circumstances I
believe it is best to have trust in our police and courts systems. On
the balance of probabilities, yes, justice was served.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:57:17 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe judge found the offence had been committed. What is at stake is the lack of
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
A 71 year old woman hit 3 times in the face by a 21 year old man when she washttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/posie-parker-protest-act-responds-to-tragedy-of-discharge-without-conviction-after-71-year-old-woman-punched/NY5MM62TOFGMJO3IOBMXYGYVWI/
at a peaceful rally (he was the protester, not her). Is that justice?
It is hard to tell what happened, isn't it. >>https://twitter.com/A1Retta/status/1764523316130598955 >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/nana-bashed-at-posie-parker-rally-outraged-over-sentence-of-her-young-attacker/IP644WFAENBM5CWUWSMJCZNVQA/
https://twitter.com/A1Retta/status/1764818549724586004
Balancing free speech against the potential for harm caused by
extremism is not an easy call - allowing Parker to enter New Zealand
was consistent with that principle, but free speech does need to be
linked to responsibility and respect for the opinions of others. It
appears from these videos that respect for the opinions of others was
not strong on either side of this conflict.
I do not know if there were other prosecutions, but there does not
appear to be any reason to doubt that both the police and the courts
have not dealt properly with respect to their different duties to see >>justice done - both would have had difficult decisions to make, and
they may well have had many other phone videos of not just this but
other physical clashes. There was provocation on both sides but
sometimes there is a price to be paid for basic human rights; and this
case may have illustrated that principle.
So was it justice? I cannot be certain, because I was not there and
did not hear or see all the evidence - under such circumstances I
believe it is best to have trust in our police and courts systems. On
the balance of probabilities, yes, justice was served.
conviction, not the offending.
Perhaps you could waste less time and actually address the issue.
Balancing free speech against the potential for harm caused by
extremism is not an easy call -
allowing Parker to enter New Zealand
was consistent with that principle, but free speech does need to be
linked to responsibility and respect for the opinions of others.
So was it justice? I cannot be certain, because I was not there and
did not hear or see all the evidence - under such circumstances I
believe it is best to have trust in our police and courts systems.
On the balance of probabilities, yes, justice was served.
On Wed, 6 Mar 2024 00:52:35 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou simply cannot keep to topic. You have not read anything that anybody has written about this because you made your mind up before the event happened. Now you will say that is nonsense and silly but I sugget you think about it - and maybe the penny will finally drop but I doubt it.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024 19:57:17 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe judge found the offence had been committed. What is at stake is the lack >>of
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
A 71 year old woman hit 3 times in the face by a 21 year old man when she >>>>washttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/posie-parker-protest-act-responds-to-tragedy-of-discharge-without-conviction-after-71-year-old-woman-punched/NY5MM62TOFGMJO3IOBMXYGYVWI/
at a peaceful rally (he was the protester, not her). Is that justice?
It is hard to tell what happened, isn't it. >>>https://twitter.com/A1Retta/status/1764523316130598955 >>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/nana-bashed-at-posie-parker-rally-outraged-over-sentence-of-her-young-attacker/IP644WFAENBM5CWUWSMJCZNVQA/
https://twitter.com/A1Retta/status/1764818549724586004
Balancing free speech against the potential for harm caused by
extremism is not an easy call - allowing Parker to enter New Zealand
was consistent with that principle, but free speech does need to be >>>linked to responsibility and respect for the opinions of others. It >>>appears from these videos that respect for the opinions of others was
not strong on either side of this conflict.
I do not know if there were other prosecutions, but there does not
appear to be any reason to doubt that both the police and the courts
have not dealt properly with respect to their different duties to see >>>justice done - both would have had difficult decisions to make, and
they may well have had many other phone videos of not just this but
other physical clashes. There was provocation on both sides but
sometimes there is a price to be paid for basic human rights; and this >>>case may have illustrated that principle.
So was it justice? I cannot be certain, because I was not there and
did not hear or see all the evidence - under such circumstances I
believe it is best to have trust in our police and courts systems. On
the balance of probabilities, yes, justice was served.
conviction, not the offending.
Perhaps you could waste less time and actually address the issue.
I was not there and did not hear or see all the evidence. A discharge
without conviction is a decision by an experienced judge based on all
the evidence. The decision was certainly one that has been given in
the past in others cases, and doubtless will be again in others, where >evidence, and all factors presented to the court are taken into
account. I was not present at the protest or at the court; I have not
seen or heard any reasons to doubt that the decision represented
justice as far as the Judge was concerned, and you have provided no
evidence to suggest that it was wrong. If there is an appeal we may
hear legal arguments relating to the case, and possibly more evidence,
but that does see unlikely. What evidence do you offer to suggest that
a mistake may have been made, Tony?
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