They’re not the ones in power any more. If they had been covering up >something, don’t you think at least one of the partners in the current >coalition Government would have an interest in uncovering it?They are far too busy fisxing the shit they inherited. There is increasing interest in this topic from many other places - much more to uncover yet.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
They’re not the ones in power any more. If they had been covering up >>something, don’t you think at least one of the partners in the current >>coalition Government would have an interest in uncovering it?
They are far too busy fisxing the shit they inherited.
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:23:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Not sure of your meaning, but I am sure that you agree that this government was left with a shit load of problems to fix. Clearly they were, as witnessed by the election results.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
They’re not the ones in power any more. If they had been covering up >>>something, don’t you think at least one of the partners in the current >>>coalition Government would have an interest in uncovering it?
They are far too busy fisxing the shit they inherited.
Shouldn’t this be part of it? That is, if there is really something to it, >and not complete hot air.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:23:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
They’re not the ones in power any more. If they had been covering up >>>>something, don’t you think at least one of the partners in the current >>>>coalition Government would have an interest in uncovering it?
They are far too busy fisxing the shit they inherited.
Shouldn’t this be part of it? That is, if there is really something to >>it, and not complete hot air.
... this government was left with a shit load of problems to fix.
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 02:12:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Do you have anything to actually add to the discussion?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:23:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
They’re not the ones in power any more. If they had been covering up >>>>>something, don’t you think at least one of the partners in the current >>>>>coalition Government would have an interest in uncovering it?
They are far too busy fisxing the shit they inherited.
Shouldn’t this be part of it? That is, if there is really something to >>>it, and not complete hot air.
... this government was left with a shit load of problems to fix.
Anything with higher priority than finding out about preventable deaths?
Unless, of course, there weren’t any such ...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:You have got me interested now Tony - what was said about excess
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 02:12:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Do you have anything to actually add to the discussion?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:23:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
They’re not the ones in power any more. If they had been covering up >>>>>>something, don’t you think at least one of the partners in the current >>>>>>coalition Government would have an interest in uncovering it?
They are far too busy fisxing the shit they inherited.
Shouldn’t this be part of it? That is, if there is really something to >>>>it, and not complete hot air.
... this government was left with a shit load of problems to fix.
Anything with higher priority than finding out about preventable deaths?
Unless, of course, there weren’t any such ...
If not, perhaps you should have a cup of tea and try to imagine something of >value to do.
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 17:03:09 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:Oh, too late, you have already demonstrated that.
... what was said about excess deaths
that you believe were lies, and have the new Government done anything
about those statements?
You are about to see an example of something called “cognitive >dissonance”.
... what was said about excess deaths
that you believe were lies, and have the new Government done anything
about those statements?
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 03:44:11 -0000 (UTC), TonyI made a personal reply to Lawrence - feel free to involve yourself in that conversation if you wish so that we can ignore you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:You have got me interested now Tony - what was said about excess
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 02:12:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Do you have anything to actually add to the discussion?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:23:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
They’re not the ones in power any more. If they had been covering up >>>>>>>something, don’t you think at least one of the partners in the current >>>>>>>coalition Government would have an interest in uncovering it?
They are far too busy fisxing the shit they inherited.
Shouldn’t this be part of it? That is, if there is really something to >>>>>it, and not complete hot air.
... this government was left with a shit load of problems to fix.
Anything with higher priority than finding out about preventable deaths?
Unless, of course, there weren’t any such ...
If not, perhaps you should have a cup of tea and try to imagine something of >>value to do.
deaths that you believe were lies, and have the new Government done
anything about those statements?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 02:12:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:23:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
They’re not the ones in power any more. If they had been covering up >>>>>>something, don’t you think at least one of the partners in the >>>>>>current coalition Government would have an interest in uncovering >>>>>>it?
They are far too busy fisxing the shit they inherited.
Shouldn’t this be part of it? That is, if there is really something to >>>>it, and not complete hot air.
... this government was left with a shit load of problems to fix.
Anything with higher priority than finding out about preventable deaths?
Unless, of course, there weren’t any such ...
[Ranty MacRantFace-type rants]
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 03:44:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:If only life was as simple as you, it isn't. You are not replying to me and yet you are, what a confused little man you are.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 02:12:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:23:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
They’re not the ones in power any more. If they had been covering up >>>>>>>something, don’t you think at least one of the partners in the >>>>>>>current coalition Government would have an interest in uncovering >>>>>>>it?
They are far too busy fisxing the shit they inherited.
Shouldn’t this be part of it? That is, if there is really something to >>>>>it, and not complete hot air.
... this government was left with a shit load of problems to fix.
Anything with higher priority than finding out about preventable deaths?
Unless, of course, there weren’t any such ...
Lawrence rants as usual.
Surely, preventable deaths happening under Labour’s watch would be a >massive scandal that the current Government would be only too eager to >uncover and publicize, as part of their campaign of heaping blame on the >previous administration for all the ills they’re facing?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 03:44:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:If only life was as simple as you, it isn't. You are not replying to me and yet
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 02:12:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:23:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
They’re not the ones in power any more. If they had been covering up >>>>>>>>something, don’t you think at least one of the partners in the >>>>>>>>current coalition Government would have an interest in uncovering >>>>>>>>it?
They are far too busy fisxing the shit they inherited.
Shouldn’t this be part of it? That is, if there is really something to >>>>>>it, and not complete hot air.
... this government was left with a shit load of problems to fix.
Anything with higher priority than finding out about preventable deaths? >>>>
Unless, of course, there weren’t any such ...
Lawrence rants as usual.
Surely, preventable deaths happening under Labour’s watch would be a >>massive scandal that the current Government would be only too eager to >>uncover and publicize, as part of their campaign of heaping blame on the >>previous administration for all the ills they’re facing?
you are, what a confused little man you are.
If you left enough of a thread and didn't insert non-sequitur stupidity you >might get lucky one day and post something of value.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Surely, preventable deaths happening under Labour’s watch would be a >>massive scandal that the current Government would be only too eager to >>uncover and publicize, as part of their campaign of heaping blame on the >>previous administration for all the ills they’re facing?
[Ranty McRantFace rant]
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 00:23:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 03:44:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:If only life was as simple as you, it isn't. You are not replying to me and >>yet
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 02:12:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 21:23:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
They’re not the ones in power any more. If they had been covering up >>>>>>>>>something, don’t you think at least one of the partners in the >>>>>>>>>current coalition Government would have an interest in uncovering >>>>>>>>>it?
They are far too busy fisxing the shit they inherited.
Shouldn’t this be part of it? That is, if there is really something to >>>>>>>it, and not complete hot air.
... this government was left with a shit load of problems to fix.
Anything with higher priority than finding out about preventable deaths? >>>>>
Unless, of course, there weren’t any such ...
Lawrence rants as usual.
Surely, preventable deaths happening under Labour’s watch would be a >>>massive scandal that the current Government would be only too eager to >>>uncover and publicize, as part of their campaign of heaping blame on the >>>previous administration for all the ills they’re facing?
you are, what a confused little man you are.
If you left enough of a thread and didn't insert non-sequitur stupidity you >>might get lucky one day and post something of value.
But now Covid appears here to stay under NAct1st -Covid is not political - I am sorry you are so amazingly stupid - how difficult that must be for your family.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 00:23:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:I have not in this thread or any other thread stated that there is a conspiracy. Neither have I suggested that there is one.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Surely, preventable deaths happening under Labour’s watch would be a >>>massive scandal that the current Government would be only too eager to >>>uncover and publicize, as part of their campaign of heaping blame on the >>>previous administration for all the ills they’re facing?
[Ranty McRantFace rant]
If there really is some kind of conspiracy to cover up Covid-19 deaths, or >vaccine deaths, or conspiracy-to-cause-deaths, or death-plague-by-zombie >deaths, or whatever it is you think Labour were covering up, you would now >have to admit that National, ACT and NZ First are all part of the
conspiracy as well, aren’t they?
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 00:23:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Tony hates facts, especially incontrovertible facts that are agreed internationally, that are based on solid evidence and that show that
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Surely, preventable deaths happening under Labours watch would be a >>>massive scandal that the current Government would be only too eager to >>>uncover and publicize, as part of their campaign of heaping blame on the >>>previous administration for all the ills theyre facing?
[Ranty McRantFace rant]
If there really is some kind of conspiracy to cover up Covid-19 deaths, or >vaccine deaths, or conspiracy-to-cause-deaths, or death-plague-by-zombie >deaths, or whatever it is you think Labour were covering up, you would now >have to admit that National, ACT and NZ First are all part of the
conspiracy as well, arent they?
So we can expect more wild rants from Tony about Labour having got it
all wrong, while meantime ACT/Nat/NZ! - the Atlas acolytes - will make
sure donors get a good return on donation capital supplied . . .
I have not in this thread or any other thread stated that there is a conspiracy.
In article <pjm1uip1h68bg93f3jq0s07c9ht452qtmr@4ax.com>, Rich80105 >@hotmail.com says...
So we can expect more wild rants from Tony about Labour having got it
all wrong, while meantime ACT/Nat/NZ! - the Atlas acolytes - will make
sure donors get a good return on donation capital supplied . . .
If you add him to your killfile you won't have to. I only ever see those >posts when someone replies to them.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 06:08:33 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Lie removed.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 00:23:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Surely, preventable deaths happening under Labours watch would be a >>>>massive scandal that the current Government would be only too eager to >>>>uncover and publicize, as part of their campaign of heaping blame on the >>>>previous administration for all the ills theyre facing?
[Ranty McRantFace rant]
If there really is some kind of conspiracy to cover up Covid-19 deaths, or >>vaccine deaths, or conspiracy-to-cause-deaths, or death-plague-by-zombie >>deaths, or whatever it is you think Labour were covering up, you would now >>have to admit that National, ACT and NZ First are all part of the >>conspiracy as well, arent they?
See: >https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&facet=none&country=AUS~NZL~CAN~USA~GBR~NOR~SWE
middle" are still being squeezed, but they don't get mentioned any
more - only the top tax rate is being dropped, but costs are rising
faster than wages; poverty in increasing again, and the government are
making that harder as well by bashing bennies - it is after all
beneficiaries that are at fault if they lose their jobs. So Tony is a
little bitter about life; and all he has are empty slogans.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 06:26:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:I have not in this thread or any other thread stated that there is a
I have not in this thread or any other thread stated that there is a
conspiracy.
Why did you use a word like “lying”, then? Is that not a claim of a >deliberate act to cover up something? Can you coordinate something like
that between Labour and its “cronies” without conspiring to do so? And if >that’s not what you’re suggesting, why did you use those words?
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 09:32:34 +1300, David GoodwinI sincerely wish that you would take David's advice.
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <pjm1uip1h68bg93f3jq0s07c9ht452qtmr@4ax.com>, Rich80105 >>@hotmail.com says...
So we can expect more wild rants from Tony about Labour having got it
all wrong, while meantime ACT/Nat/NZ! - the Atlas acolytes - will make
sure donors get a good return on donation capital supplied . . .
If you add him to your killfile you won't have to. I only ever see those >>posts when someone replies to them.
Fair comment David, but it is interesting to see the self-delusion
fostered by the big money spent on propaganda; I am quite proud of New >Zealand for having resisted so much, but naturally disappointed that
the government turned out so much worse than many had anticipated. I
suspect Tony is having second thoughts about much of the idiocy being
put forward - the "Squeezed middle" is starting to get a bit upset
about things getting worse so quickly. I have been posting to
nz.general for a very long time, and I find the unrestricted nature of
the group to have value beyond the carefully managed "discussions" on
many blogs.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
But now Covid appears here to stay under NAct1st -
Covid is not political ...
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:After you, Tony . . . . or can you not take your own prescription?
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 09:32:34 +1300, David GoodwinI sincerely wish that you would take David's advice.
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <pjm1uip1h68bg93f3jq0s07c9ht452qtmr@4ax.com>, Rich80105 >>>@hotmail.com says...
So we can expect more wild rants from Tony about Labour having got it
all wrong, while meantime ACT/Nat/NZ! - the Atlas acolytes - will make >>>> sure donors get a good return on donation capital supplied . . .
If you add him to your killfile you won't have to. I only ever see those >>>posts when someone replies to them.
Fair comment David, but it is interesting to see the self-delusion
fostered by the big money spent on propaganda; I am quite proud of New >>Zealand for having resisted so much, but naturally disappointed that
the government turned out so much worse than many had anticipated. I >>suspect Tony is having second thoughts about much of the idiocy being
put forward - the "Squeezed middle" is starting to get a bit upset
about things getting worse so quickly. I have been posting to
nz.general for a very long time, and I find the unrestricted nature of
the group to have value beyond the carefully managed "discussions" on
many blogs.
It would relieve you of the compulsion to lie so much, your defamatory comments
would be reduced and the world would be a happier and more sane place.
Do it.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 06:26:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
I have not in this thread or any other thread stated that there is a
conspiracy.
Why did you use a word like lying, then? Is that not a claim of a >deliberate act to cover up something? Can you coordinate something like
that between Labour and its cronies without conspiring to do so? And if >thats not what youre suggesting, why did you use those words?
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 21:03:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 06:26:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
I have not in this thread or any other thread stated that there is a
conspiracy.
Why did you use a word like lying, then? Is that not a claim of a >>deliberate act to cover up something? Can you coordinate something like >>that between Labour and its cronies without conspiring to do so? And if >>thats not what youre suggesting, why did you use those words?
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 05:38:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Wow, so you do read the newspapers after all. Well done, it was political from day one and used by the government of the day to control the population - and they revelled in it.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
But now Covid appears here to stay under NAct1st -
Covid is not political ...
No, but the response to it from many quarters has been very much
political. Evidence being this entire thread.
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