• Re: Another Vaccine Victim

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Tue Feb 20 11:04:00 2024
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 21:21:29 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    Friend of a friend -- fit 47yo rural worker -- had a stroke in his
    home, lay for 2 days before discovered. Tetrapalegic now. Turns out
    he got pericarditis 8 months earlier. His life is destroyed.

    These are totally covid-vaccine injuries -- this sort of thing never
    happened before 2021. Never acknowledged as such by the doctors, of
    course, and unreported in the media. The people are NZ are gaslit
    every day by our authorities who are as thick as two short planks.

    "Safe and Effective".

    Covid 19 is not safe, but does in some cases present as acute
    pericarditis - see for example: https://casereports.bmj.com/content/15/1/e243768

    Which authorities do you believe are gaslighting you every day? I am
    not aware of any Health Minister for example misleading anyone as you
    claim, including the current Minister. Perhaps it is your Friend of a
    friend that has mislead you . . . There is sadly a lot of
    mis-information out there about Covid.

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Feb 19 22:32:13 2024
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    I am not aware of any ...

    You never are, Rich, as you show every day. It is ideology which is
    your point in trade, not awareness.

    Perhaps it is your Friend of a friend that has mislead you . . .

    He is in permanent care now, a tetraplegic.

    There is sadly a lot of mis-information out there about Covid.

    This is about the vaccine. Certainly those who claim vaccine injuries
    to be covid injuries are trading in "mis-information", as you put it.

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 19 21:21:29 2024
    Friend of a friend -- fit 47yo rural worker -- had a stroke in his
    home, lay for 2 days before discovered. Tetrapalegic now. Turns out
    he got pericarditis 8 months earlier. His life is destroyed.

    These are totally covid-vaccine injuries -- this sort of thing never
    happened before 2021. Never acknowledged as such by the doctors, of
    course, and unreported in the media. The people are NZ are gaslit
    every day by our authorities who are as thick as two short planks.

    "Safe and Effective".

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Tue Feb 20 12:08:10 2024
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 22:32:13 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    I am not aware of any ...

    You never are, Rich, as you show every day. It is ideology which is
    your point in trade, not awareness.

    Perhaps it is your Friend of a friend that has mislead you . . .

    He is in permanent care now, a tetraplegic.

    There is sadly a lot of mis-information out there about Covid.

    This is about the vaccine. Certainly those who claim vaccine injuries
    to be covid injuries are trading in "mis-information", as you put it.
    I am sorry for your friend of a friend - but whether from the virus
    itself, or less likely but still possible from the vaccine may be very difficult to determine - and probably does not matter to those that
    know him.

    If you google "pericarditis covid" there are a lot of studies over a
    long time; these seem to indicate that there is a small risk of
    pericarditis after the mRNA vaccine, but is more often associated with
    Covid infection itself - see for example: https://starship.org.nz/guidelines/covid-19-post-vaccination-pericarditis-myocarditis/
    and https://www.cureus.com/articles/91106-new-perspectives-on-long-covid-syndrome-the-development-of-unusually-delayed-and-recurring-pericarditis-after-a-primary-sars-cov-2-infection#!/
    https://www.thecardiologyadvisor.com/general-cardiology/trends-of-acute-pericarditis-among-patients-with-long-covid-19-syndrome/
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9464705/.

    While New Zealand did very well with our Covid response, we have lost
    3817 lives, with 2.5 million cases of Covid, and currently around 200
    cases in hospital from around 900 cases per week. Severe disability
    such as tetraplegia is certainly an extreme result from Covid
    infection, and I am sure we can all understand how distressing such a
    condition must be to all who know your friend of a friend.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Tue Feb 20 13:22:22 2024
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 23:42:39 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    I am sorry for your friend of a friend - but whether from the virus
    itself, or less likely but still possible from the vaccine may be very >>difficult to determine - and probably does not matter to those that
    know him.

    If it is from the vaccine, which is basically 100% certain, then you
    all have ticking time bombs within you. Guess what, that matters.

    Certainly possible, but what makes you think that in this case being
    from the vaccine is basically 100% certain?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Tue Feb 20 14:20:06 2024
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 00:59:40 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 23:42:39 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
    If it is from the vaccine, which is basically 100% certain, then you
    all have ticking time bombs within you. Guess what, that matters.

    Certainly possible, but what makes you think that in this case being
    from the vaccine is basically 100% certain?

    Because only the vaxxed get these terrible medical events at young
    ages, never the unvaxxed.
    Do you have any evidence supporting that statement?

    Besides, you indicated that the friend of a friend was aged 47 - do
    you regard that as a young age?


    Which, by the way, is why
    "covid-unvaccinated" is now a prohibited reporting category in
    government health statistics all over the world.

    I have not seen any evidence of prohibition of reporting such a
    statistic; I suspect it is not reported because it is very difficult
    to calculate - our population is changing daily, with births, deaths, immigration and emigration. We do not classify deaths for example by vaccination status, nor do we require disclosure of vaccination status
    for international travelers

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Feb 19 23:42:39 2024
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    I am sorry for your friend of a friend - but whether from the virus
    itself, or less likely but still possible from the vaccine may be very >difficult to determine - and probably does not matter to those that
    know him.

    If it is from the vaccine, which is basically 100% certain, then you
    all have ticking time bombs within you. Guess what, that matters.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Tue Feb 20 00:31:06 2024
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 21:21:29 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:

    These are totally covid-vaccine injuries -- this sort of thing never
    happened before 2021.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_memory>

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Feb 20 01:49:33 2024
    On 2024-02-19, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 21:21:29 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    Friend of a friend -- fit 47yo rural worker -- had a stroke in his
    home, lay for 2 days before discovered. Tetrapalegic now. Turns out
    he got pericarditis 8 months earlier. His life is destroyed.

    These are totally covid-vaccine injuries -- this sort of thing never >>happened before 2021. Never acknowledged as such by the doctors, of >>course, and unreported in the media. The people are NZ are gaslit
    every day by our authorities who are as thick as two short planks.

    "Safe and Effective".

    Covid 19 is not safe, but does in some cases present as acute
    pericarditis - see for example: https://casereports.bmj.com/content/15/1/e243768

    Which authorities do you believe are gaslighting you every day? I am
    not aware of any Health Minister for example misleading anyone as you
    claim, including the current Minister. Perhaps it is your Friend of a
    friend that has mislead you . . . There is sadly a lot of
    mis-information out there about Covid.

    And it would help if one was able to talk freely about it.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Tyner RushingGordon on Tue Feb 20 02:51:51 2024
    Tyner RushingGordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-02-19, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 21:21:29 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    Friend of a friend -- fit 47yo rural worker -- had a stroke in his
    home, lay for 2 days before discovered. Tetrapalegic now. Turns out
    he got pericarditis 8 months earlier. His life is destroyed.

    These are totally covid-vaccine injuries -- this sort of thing never >>>happened before 2021. Never acknowledged as such by the doctors, of >>>course, and unreported in the media. The people are NZ are gaslit
    every day by our authorities who are as thick as two short planks.

    "Safe and Effective".

    Covid 19 is not safe, but does in some cases present as acute
    pericarditis - see for example:
    https://casereports.bmj.com/content/15/1/e243768

    Which authorities do you believe are gaslighting you every day? I am
    not aware of any Health Minister for example misleading anyone as you
    claim, including the current Minister. Perhaps it is your Friend of a
    friend that has mislead you . . . There is sadly a lot of
    mis-information out there about Covid.

    And it would help if one was able to talk freely about it.
    Yes it would but that would mean open and honest dalogue with people who are open minded - so not Rich.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Feb 20 16:57:21 2024
    On 20 Feb 2024 01:49:33 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-02-19, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 21:21:29 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    Friend of a friend -- fit 47yo rural worker -- had a stroke in his
    home, lay for 2 days before discovered. Tetrapalegic now. Turns out
    he got pericarditis 8 months earlier. His life is destroyed.

    These are totally covid-vaccine injuries -- this sort of thing never >>>happened before 2021. Never acknowledged as such by the doctors, of >>>course, and unreported in the media. The people are NZ are gaslit
    every day by our authorities who are as thick as two short planks.

    "Safe and Effective".

    Covid 19 is not safe, but does in some cases present as acute
    pericarditis - see for example:
    https://casereports.bmj.com/content/15/1/e243768

    Which authorities do you believe are gaslighting you every day? I am
    not aware of any Health Minister for example misleading anyone as you
    claim, including the current Minister. Perhaps it is your Friend of a
    friend that has mislead you . . . There is sadly a lot of
    mis-information out there about Covid.

    And it would help if one was able to talk freely about it.
    What is stopping you?

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Tue Feb 20 21:39:43 2024
    On 2024-02-20, Willy Nilly <wn@qwert.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 00:59:40 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>Because only the vaxxed get these terrible medical events at young
    ages, never the unvaxxed.
    Do you have any evidence supporting that statement?

    You cannot find any such unvaxxed, so that is your evidence.

    Besides, you indicated that the friend of a friend was aged 47 - do
    you regard that as a young age?

    Medically, that is young.

    Chad and Nigeria have a life expectancy of 54 years. So in these countries
    47 is likely to be considered getting old.

    (Yes I am being the Devil's advocate)





    Which, by the way, is why
    "covid-unvaccinated" is now a prohibited reporting category in
    government health statistics all over the world.
    I have not seen any evidence of prohibition of reporting such a
    statistic;

    You cannot find any such reporting, so that is your evidence.

    We do not classify deaths for example by vaccination status

    That was the question, not the answer.


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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Feb 20 21:28:05 2024
    On 2024-02-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 00:59:40 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Feb 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 23:42:39 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
    If it is from the vaccine, which is basically 100% certain, then you >>>>all have ticking time bombs within you. Guess what, that matters.

    Certainly possible, but what makes you think that in this case being
    from the vaccine is basically 100% certain?

    Because only the vaxxed get these terrible medical events at young
    ages, never the unvaxxed.
    Do you have any evidence supporting that statement?

    Besides, you indicated that the friend of a friend was aged 47 - do
    you regard that as a young age?

    To be clear, with the average age of 82 years the probability of some one 47 years old dying in the next year is very low. So it is the numbers of people dying before 60, say, which is important.

    As the saying goes, He/she/etc was too young to die. (Regardless of the
    cause of death).




    Which, by the way, is why
    "covid-unvaccinated" is now a prohibited reporting category in
    government health statistics all over the world.

    I have not seen any evidence of prohibition of reporting such a
    statistic; I suspect it is not reported because it is very difficult
    to calculate - our population is changing daily, with births, deaths, immigration and emigration. We do not classify deaths for example by vaccination status, nor do we require disclosure of vaccination status
    for international travelers




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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Feb 23 21:04:26 2024
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-02-19, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 21:21:29 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    Friend of a friend -- fit 47yo rural worker -- had a stroke in his
    home, lay for 2 days before discovered. Tetrapalegic now. Turns out
    he got pericarditis 8 months earlier. His life is destroyed.

    These are totally covid-vaccine injuries -- this sort of thing never >>>happened before 2021. Never acknowledged as such by the doctors, of >>>course, and unreported in the media. The people are NZ are gaslit
    every day by our authorities who are as thick as two short planks.

    "Safe and Effective".

    Covid 19 is not safe, but does in some cases present as acute
    pericarditis - see for example:
    https://casereports.bmj.com/content/15/1/e243768

    Which authorities do you believe are gaslighting you every day? I am
    not aware of any Health Minister for example misleading anyone as you
    claim, including the current Minister. Perhaps it is your Friend of a
    friend that has mislead you . . . There is sadly a lot of
    mis-information out there about Covid.

    And it would help if one was able to talk freely about it.
    Yes it would but that would mean open and honest dalogue with people who are open minded - so not Rich.

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