• Not for Ric, but for those that care

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 16 20:39:27 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://hatchardreport.com/the-network-of-denial-and-the-trail-of-deceit-in-new-zealand/
    Worth reading - plenty of logic - we don't all have to think alike but we do need to think (except Rich of course).

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Tony on Fri Feb 16 20:47:20 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >https://hatchardreport.com/the-network-of-denial-and-the-trail-of-deceit-in-new-zealand/
    Worth reading - plenty of logic - we don't all have to think alike but we do >need to think (except Rich of course).
    Correction to header

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 17 10:52:32 2024
    On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:39:27 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    https://hatchardreport.com/the-network-of-denial-and-the-trail-of-deceit-in-new-zealand/
    Worth reading - plenty of logic - we don't all have to think alike but we do >need to think (except Rich of course).

    If a newspaper published that crap there would be complaints to the
    press council. It may however be thought of by the NAct1st mob as
    useful distraction - they know it is crap, but it does provide a
    distraction from reality - and that reality is that vaccination
    continues to be worthwhile, that our Covid results were better than
    most countries - and that yes if we experienced the Covid results of
    the USA where all those nutter theories were embraced by the
    Republicans, we would have had 22,000 more deaths.

    Better that people talk about mad anti-vax theories than follow what
    our government is doing - perhaps you will blame smoking deaths on
    Covid vaccines, Tony . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Feb 16 23:54:03 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:39:27 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    https://hatchardreport.com/the-network-of-denial-and-the-trail-of-deceit-in-new-zealand/
    Worth reading - plenty of logic - we don't all have to think alike but we do >>need to think (except Rich of course).

    If a newspaper published that crap there would be complaints to the
    press council. It may however be thought of by the NAct1st mob as
    useful distraction - they know it is crap, but it does provide a
    distraction from reality - and that reality is that vaccination
    continues to be worthwhile, that our Covid results were better than
    most countries - and that yes if we experienced the Covid results of
    the USA where all those nutter theories were embraced by the
    Republicans, we would have had 22,000 more deaths.
    So you did not read it - what a surprise (that is sarcasm).

    Crap gone for now.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 17 15:10:47 2024
    On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 23:54:03 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:39:27 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:
    https://hatchardreport.com/the-network-of-denial-and-the-trail-of-deceit-in-new-zealand/
    Worth reading - plenty of logic - we don't all have to think alike but we do >>>need to think (except Rich of course).

    If a newspaper published that crap there would be complaints to the
    press council. It may however be thought of by the NAct1st mob as
    useful distraction - they know it is crap, but it does provide a >>distraction from reality - and that reality is that vaccination
    continues to be worthwhile, that our Covid results were better than
    most countries - and that yes if we experienced the Covid results of
    the USA where all those nutter theories were embraced by the
    Republicans, we would have had 22,000 more deaths.
    So you did not read it - what a surprise (that is sarcasm).

    Crap gone for now.

    Why the sudden passion for deleting parts of posts, Tony? I understand
    your frustration in finding yourself wrong so often, but it is
    relatively easy to look back through a thread, and it is not as though nz.general is getting a lot of new posters. But just to show how silly
    you are - here is what I said:

    "Better that people talk about mad anti-vax theories than follow what
    our government is doing - perhaps you will blame smoking deaths on
    Covid vaccines, Tony . . ."

    Hatchard admits that he relies on others, and mentions John Campbell specifically as a source for his views. Try reading this:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Campbell_(YouTuber)
    and also this: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/explained/128045158/covid-19-nz-the-strange-story-of-a-man-who-has-found-fame-in-the-antivaccination-ecosystem

    and for some data you can believe: https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/our-health-system/data-and-statistics/covid-19-data/covid-19-current-cases/

    which shows cases in the last week confirmed 4516, Probably 1360,
    total 5876, and a total of 34 deaths in the last week, with 245 in
    hospital as at midnight Sunday.

    Also of interest is: https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/our-health-system/data-and-statistics/covid-19-data/covid-19-case-demographics/#hospitalisation-and-icu-care-for-covid-19
    which shows that those who had not received doses of vaccine before
    catching Covid are more likely to need hospitalisation or ICU care

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Feb 18 23:32:48 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 23:54:03 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 20:39:27 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:
    https://hatchardreport.com/the-network-of-denial-and-the-trail-of-deceit-in-new-zealand/
    Worth reading - plenty of logic - we don't all have to think alike but we >>>>do
    need to think (except Rich of course).

    If a newspaper published that crap there would be complaints to the
    press council. It may however be thought of by the NAct1st mob as
    useful distraction - they know it is crap, but it does provide a >>>distraction from reality - and that reality is that vaccination
    continues to be worthwhile, that our Covid results were better than
    most countries - and that yes if we experienced the Covid results of
    the USA where all those nutter theories were embraced by the
    Republicans, we would have had 22,000 more deaths.
    So you did not read it - what a surprise (that is sarcasm).

    Crap gone for now.

    Grabage gone.

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