On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>deliberate nastiness.
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament,
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>>>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>>>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no >>>>>>>>>>>>harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as
things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the >>>>>>>>>>greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>>>>>>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider >>>>>>>>the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour >>>>>>> disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of >>>>>>> debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any >>>>>>> Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway. >>>>>>> A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not
disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible
that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a
poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if
I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately
to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which
you seem to be unaware of.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>You are the only person in Usenet that does not understand that you are being cowardly and sneaky or perhaps merely nasty.
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>>>>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>>>>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no >>>>>>>>>>>>>harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said >>>>>>>>>>>>as
things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the >>>>>>>>>>>greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour >>>>>>>> disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of >>>>>>>> debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any >>>>>>>> Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway. >>>>>>>> A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a
poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if
I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately
to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which
you seem to be unaware of.
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any
group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do
not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part
of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>>>>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>>>>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no >>>>>>>>>>>>>harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as
things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the >>>>>>>>>>>greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour >>>>>>>> disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of >>>>>>>> debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any >>>>>>>> Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway. >>>>>>>> A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a
poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if
I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately
to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which
you seem to be unaware of.
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any
group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do
not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part
of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:You are the only person in Usenet that does not understand that you are being >cowardly and sneaky or perhaps merely nasty.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>>>>>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimesAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>>>>>>>descent.
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said
as
things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any >>>>>>>>> Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway. >>>>>>>>> A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a
poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if
I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately
to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which
you seem to be unaware of.
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do
not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part
of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual.
The way you post like this is wrong and you know it - you will however put on >your five year old shoes and stomp all over other people's rights.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 19:04:49 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:You are the only person in Usenet that does not understand that you are being >>cowardly and sneaky or perhaps merely nasty.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of >>>>>>>>>>>the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimesAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>said
as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. >>>>>>>>>>>>Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened >>>>>>>>>>of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which
you seem to be unaware of.
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do
not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part
of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual.
The way you post like this is wrong and you know it - you will however put on >>your five year old shoes and stomp all over other people's rights.
Correct Tony. I have responded to Rich's post separately.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 19:04:49 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:You are the only person in Usenet that does not understand that you are being >>cowardly and sneaky or perhaps merely nasty.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimesAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said
as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which
you seem to be unaware of.
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do
not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part
of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual.
The way you post like this is wrong and you know it - you will however put on >>your five year old shoes and stomp all over other people's rights.
Correct Tony. I have responded to Rich's post separately.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 23:12:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>>>>>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimesAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>>>>>>>descent.
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as
things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any >>>>>>>>> Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway. >>>>>>>>> A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a
poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if
I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately
to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which
you seem to be unaware of.
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do
not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part
of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual.
None of which addresses the convention of separately replying to
multiple parts of a thread. Reich, I am responding to your post. At
the time of writing there was another response to your post from Tony.
You can see this protocol demonstrated by my separate response to
Tony.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 19:04:49 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>He will use any devious activity to muddy the waters. It is what politically >obsessed people do. I suspect he is a failed Labour political candidate - or >something worse.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:cowardly and sneaky or perhaps merely nasty.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of >>>>>>>>>>>>the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person butAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>said
as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely
they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened >>>>>>>>>>>of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do
not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual. >>>You are the only person in Usenet that does not understand that you are being
The way you post like this is wrong and you know it - you will however put on
your five year old shoes and stomp all over other people's rights.
Correct Tony. I have responded to Rich's post separately.
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:45:01 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 19:04:49 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:cowardly and sneaky or perhaps merely nasty.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of >>>>>>>>>>>>the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>butAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>said
as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely
they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened >>>>>>>>>>>of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold >>>>>>>>>>>any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history >>>>>>>>>>>anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do
not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual. >>>You are the only person in Usenet that does not understand that you are >>>being
The way you post like this is wrong and you know it - you will however put >>>on
your five year old shoes and stomp all over other people's rights.
Correct Tony. I have responded to Rich's post separately.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 23:26:44 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Irrelevant - you are just a rude, cowardly poster making up idiotic rules - go away loser.
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 19:04:49 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>He will use any devious activity to muddy the waters. It is what politically >>obsessed people do. I suspect he is a failed Labour political candidate - or >>something worse.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:cowardly and sneaky or perhaps merely nasty.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>butAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>said
as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>likely
they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is >>>>>>>>>>>>as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are >>>>>>>>>>>>frightened
of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold >>>>>>>>>>>>any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history >>>>>>>>>>>>anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do >>>>>not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual. >>>>You are the only person in Usenet that does not understand that you are >>>>being
The way you post like this is wrong and you know it - you will however put >>>>on
your five year old shoes and stomp all over other people's rights.
Correct Tony. I have responded to Rich's post separately.
This is nothing to do with party politics - it is to do with free
speech and freedom of expression. I have not seen any rules agreed
among users of nz.general suggesting restrictions on posting of the
kind you and Crash are proposing. Why do you want to limit freedom of
speech?
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:43:50 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>That is bullshit.
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 23:12:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of >>>>>>>>>>>the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimesAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>said as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. >>>>>>>>>>>>Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened >>>>>>>>>>of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which
you seem to be unaware of.
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do
not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part
of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual.
None of which addresses the convention of separately replying to
multiple parts of a thread. Reich, I am responding to your post. At
the time of writing there was another response to your post from Tony.
You can see this protocol demonstrated by my separate response to
Tony.
Being your preferred practice does not make this and agreed convention
- it is your personal preference. It can keep different subjects in
separate subthreads in some circumstances, in others it will merely
confuse and prompt duplicate comments in those sub-threads. Your
preference does not make this a requirement for posting to this usenet
group.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:43:50 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:That is bullshit.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 23:12:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of >>>>>>>>>>>>the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person butAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>said as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely
they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened >>>>>>>>>>>of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do
not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual.
None of which addresses the convention of separately replying to
multiple parts of a thread. Reich, I am responding to your post. At
the time of writing there was another response to your post from Tony. >>>You can see this protocol demonstrated by my separate response to
Tony.
Being your preferred practice does not make this and agreed convention
- it is your personal preference. It can keep different subjects in >>separate subthreads in some circumstances, in others it will merely
confuse and prompt duplicate comments in those sub-threads. Your
preference does not make this a requirement for posting to this usenet >>group.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:45:01 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:Removed comments deliberately replied to the wrong post.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 19:04:49 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:cowardly and sneaky or perhaps merely nasty.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>butAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is
no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>said
as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely
they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened
of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold >>>>>>>>>>>>any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history >>>>>>>>>>>>anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do >>>>>not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual. >>>>You are the only person in Usenet that does not understand that you are >>>>being
The way you post like this is wrong and you know it - you will however put >>>>on
your five year old shoes and stomp all over other people's rights.
Correct Tony. I have responded to Rich's post separately.
There is no worse person than a 5 year old Marxist puppet like Rich.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Thank you for withdrawing your attempt to impose a rule about
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:00:32 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>It is nothing to do with freedom. It is to do with politeness. And you believe >politeness is something you do not need to possess - well it is clear that you >don't possess it, nevertheless be polite and stop the cowardly and sneaky >answering the wrong person
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:43:50 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:That is bullshit.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 23:12:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:None of which addresses the convention of separately replying to >>>>>multiple parts of a thread. Reich, I am responding to your post. At >>>>>the time of writing there was another response to your post from Tony. >>>>>You can see this protocol demonstrated by my separate response to >>>>>Tony.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>butAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>said as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not
the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>likely
they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is >>>>>>>>>>>>>as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are >>>>>>>>>>>>>frightened
of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold >>>>>>>>>>>>>any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history >>>>>>>>>>>>>anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel
surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
deliberate nastiness.
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do >>>>>>not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual. >>>>>
Being your preferred practice does not make this and agreed convention >>>>- it is your personal preference. It can keep different subjects in >>>>separate subthreads in some circumstances, in others it will merely >>>>confuse and prompt duplicate comments in those sub-threads. Your >>>>preference does not make this a requirement for posting to this usenet >>>>group.
It is called freedom of expression. Some are happy to let people post >>whatever they want - others like you want to dictate what people are >>"allowed" to post. You just want to set "rules" for everything, Tony -
but in this case there are no rules. Just call if "Freedom" - happy
now?
You bleat and moo about other people setting rules, which I never do, and in so
doing you piss all over other people's freedoms. You are a prize idiot and a >kvetch.
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:00:32 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>It is nothing to do with freedom. It is to do with politeness. And you believe politeness is something you do not need to possess - well it is clear that you don't possess it, nevertheless be polite and stop the cowardly and sneaky answering the wrong person
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:43:50 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:That is bullshit.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 23:12:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:None of which addresses the convention of separately replying to >>>>multiple parts of a thread. Reich, I am responding to your post. At >>>>the time of writing there was another response to your post from Tony. >>>>You can see this protocol demonstrated by my separate response to
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>butAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>said as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>likely
they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is >>>>>>>>>>>>as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are >>>>>>>>>>>>frightened
of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold >>>>>>>>>>>>any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history >>>>>>>>>>>>anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do >>>>>not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual. >>>>
Tony.
Being your preferred practice does not make this and agreed convention
- it is your personal preference. It can keep different subjects in >>>separate subthreads in some circumstances, in others it will merely >>>confuse and prompt duplicate comments in those sub-threads. Your >>>preference does not make this a requirement for posting to this usenet >>>group.
It is called freedom of expression. Some are happy to let people post >whatever they want - others like you want to dictate what people are >"allowed" to post. You just want to set "rules" for everything, Tony -
but in this case there are no rules. Just call if "Freedom" - happy
now?
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 23:29:08 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>I withdrew nothing - I have never tried to impose any rules here. You have dozens of times.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Thank you for withdrawing your attempt to impose a rule about
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:00:32 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>It is nothing to do with freedom. It is to do with politeness. And you >>believe
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:43:50 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:That is bullshit.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 23:12:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:None of which addresses the convention of separately replying to >>>>>>multiple parts of a thread. Reich, I am responding to your post. At >>>>>>the time of writing there was another response to your post from Tony. >>>>>>You can see this protocol demonstrated by my separate response to >>>>>>Tony.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>>>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy >>>>>>>>>>or
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>butAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>being
said as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottom
feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not
the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>status.
Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>likely
they were appointed than elected.
the
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush >>>>>>>>>>>>>>of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>frightened
of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>hold
any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history >>>>>>>>>>>>>>anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its
true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow >>>>>>>>>>>more
people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the >>>>>>>>>>>fuel
surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
deliberate nastiness.
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do >>>>>>>not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual. >>>>>>
Being your preferred practice does not make this and agreed convention >>>>>- it is your personal preference. It can keep different subjects in >>>>>separate subthreads in some circumstances, in others it will merely >>>>>confuse and prompt duplicate comments in those sub-threads. Your >>>>>preference does not make this a requirement for posting to this usenet >>>>>group.
It is called freedom of expression. Some are happy to let people post >>>whatever they want - others like you want to dictate what people are >>>"allowed" to post. You just want to set "rules" for everything, Tony - >>>but in this case there are no rules. Just call if "Freedom" - happy
now?
politeness is something you do not need to possess - well it is clear that >>you
don't possess it, nevertheless be polite and stop the cowardly and sneaky >>answering the wrong person
You bleat and moo about other people setting rules, which I never do, and in >>so
doing you piss all over other people's freedoms. You are a prize idiot and a >>kvetch.
responding to posts from other posters. You nay continue to do
whatever you want - I do not expect much except personal abuse from
you - and I will continue to be the voice of reason in response to
your abuse, Tony. Free speech really is worthwhile defending, don't
you agree?
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 23:26:44 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 19:04:49 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>He will use any devious activity to muddy the waters. It is what politically >>obsessed people do. I suspect he is a failed Labour political candidate - or >>something worse.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:cowardly and sneaky or perhaps merely nasty.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person butAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is
no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>said
as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely
they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened
of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do >>>>>not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual. >>>>You are the only person in Usenet that does not understand that you are being
The way you post like this is wrong and you know it - you will however put on
your five year old shoes and stomp all over other people's rights.
Correct Tony. I have responded to Rich's post separately.
This is nothing to do with party politics - it is to do with free
speech and freedom of expression. I have not seen any rules agreed
among users of nz.general suggesting restrictions on posting of the
kind you and Crash are proposing. Why do you want to limit freedom of
speech?
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:45:01 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 19:04:49 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:cowardly and sneaky or perhaps merely nasty.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person butAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said
as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely
they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do
not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual. >>>You are the only person in Usenet that does not understand that you are being
The way you post like this is wrong and you know it - you will however put on
your five year old shoes and stomp all over other people's rights.
Correct Tony. I have responded to Rich's post separately.
I am not stopping you from posting any way you want, Tony;
I am not
trying to police posts or make up rules. You cannot show me any usenet
or nz.general "rule" that limits my, or your, freedom to answer posts
in any way you like, although being offensive and telling lies about
me is not likely to be very persuasive. Your problem is that you
cannot abide me tolerating posters having freedom to express
themselves in their own way, unless there is a clear rule covering the
issue. Tony demonstrates that the authoritarian right does not believe
in freedom of expression, and in allowing others to speak their minds
without being abused because Tony does not agree . . .
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:43:50 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 23:12:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimesAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which
you seem to be unaware of.
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do
not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part
of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual.
None of which addresses the convention of separately replying to
multiple parts of a thread. Reich, I am responding to your post. At
the time of writing there was another response to your post from Tony.
You can see this protocol demonstrated by my separate response to
Tony.
Being your preferred practice does not make this and agreed convention
- it is your personal preference.
It can keep different subjects in
separate subthreads in some circumstances, in others it will merely
confuse and prompt duplicate comments in those sub-threads. Your
preference does not make this a requirement for posting to this usenet
group.
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 21:07:26 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>I believe he understands that absolutely but is now just doing his usual thing of deliberately causing disagreement.
wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:45:01 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 19:04:49 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:cowardly and sneaky or perhaps merely nasty.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>>>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>butAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>said
as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>likely
they were appointed than elected.
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is >>>>>>>>>>>>as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are >>>>>>>>>>>>frightened of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold >>>>>>>>>>>>any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history >>>>>>>>>>>>anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do >>>>>not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual. >>>>You are the only person in Usenet that does not understand that you are >>>>being
The way you post like this is wrong and you know it - you will however put >>>>on
your five year old shoes and stomp all over other people's rights.
Correct Tony. I have responded to Rich's post separately.
I am not stopping you from posting any way you want, Tony;
This is typical of the confusion you create. It was I who posted the >'Correct Tony.' response. Do you not see how this can illustrate
complete confusion on who you are replying to?
I am not
trying to police posts or make up rules. You cannot show me any usenet
or nz.general "rule" that limits my, or your, freedom to answer posts
in any way you like, although being offensive and telling lies about
me is not likely to be very persuasive. Your problem is that you
cannot abide me tolerating posters having freedom to express
themselves in their own way, unless there is a clear rule covering the >>issue. Tony demonstrates that the authoritarian right does not believe
in freedom of expression, and in allowing others to speak their minds >>without being abused because Tony does not agree . . .
--
Crash McBash
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 23:29:08 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>I withdrew nothing - I have never tried to impose any rules here. You have >dozens of times.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Thank you for withdrawing your attempt to impose a rule about
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:00:32 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>It is nothing to do with freedom. It is to do with politeness. And you >>>believe
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:43:50 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:That is bullshit.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 23:12:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>wrote:None of which addresses the convention of separately replying to >>>>>>>multiple parts of a thread. Reich, I am responding to your post. At >>>>>>>the time of writing there was another response to your post from Tony. >>>>>>>You can see this protocol demonstrated by my separate response to >>>>>>>Tony.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if >>>>>>>>>I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy >>>>>>>>>>>or
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>>>>>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of personAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maori
but
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there
is
no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>being
said as
things develop.
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottom
feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not
the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>status.
Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>likely
they were appointed than elected.
the
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush
of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>frightened
of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hold
any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the
Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given
that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its
true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow >>>>>>>>>>>>more
people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the >>>>>>>>>>>>fuel
surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have
been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
deliberate nastiness.
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>>>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do >>>>>>>>not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example >>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>>>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>>>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual. >>>>>>>
Being your preferred practice does not make this and agreed convention >>>>>>- it is your personal preference. It can keep different subjects in >>>>>>separate subthreads in some circumstances, in others it will merely >>>>>>confuse and prompt duplicate comments in those sub-threads. Your >>>>>>preference does not make this a requirement for posting to this usenet >>>>>>group.
It is called freedom of expression. Some are happy to let people post >>>>whatever they want - others like you want to dictate what people are >>>>"allowed" to post. You just want to set "rules" for everything, Tony - >>>>but in this case there are no rules. Just call if "Freedom" - happy >>>>now?
politeness is something you do not need to possess - well it is clear that >>>you
don't possess it, nevertheless be polite and stop the cowardly and sneaky >>>answering the wrong person
You bleat and moo about other people setting rules, which I never do, and in >>>so
doing you piss all over other people's freedoms. You are a prize idiot and a >>>kvetch.
responding to posts from other posters. You nay continue to do
whatever you want - I do not expect much except personal abuse from
you - and I will continue to be the voice of reason in response to
your abuse, Tony. Free speech really is worthwhile defending, don't
you agree?
Free speech is my mantra, pity it is not yours but hey we all know that.
This is not about free speech and everybody knows that including you - it is >about your cowardice and abuse.
On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 02:18:56 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>You really do have trouble with long words - try this. I changed nothing. Shove your abuse back up to where it originated.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 23:29:08 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>I withdrew nothing - I have never tried to impose any rules here. You have >>dozens of times.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Thank you for withdrawing your attempt to impose a rule about
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 20:00:32 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:It is nothing to do with freedom. It is to do with politeness. And you >>>>believe
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 11:43:50 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:That is bullshit.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 23:12:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 21:34:12 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>>wrote:None of which addresses the convention of separately replying to >>>>>>>>multiple parts of a thread. Reich, I am responding to your post. At >>>>>>>>the time of writing there was another response to your post from Tony. >>>>>>>>You can see this protocol demonstrated by my separate response to >>>>>>>>Tony.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 18:34:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>wrote:The convention in Usenet is to answer one poster at a time. I have >>>>>>>>>>been doing this since early 1996. Every post is to an individual - if
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a >>>>>>>>>>>usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>>>>>>>>>provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a >>>>>>>>>>>poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>>>>wrote:or
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament,
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>personAnd Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of
but
sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>there
is
no
harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>being
said as
things develop.
Maori
descent.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bottom
feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not
the
greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>status.
Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>likely
they were appointed than elected.
the
current
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>brush
of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>frightened
of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hold
any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
and also for one political party - the collective result of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>party
vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>>>>>>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Given
that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>>>>>>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>>>>>>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that >>>>>>>>>>>>>its
true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>>>>>>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow >>>>>>>>>>>>>more
people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>fuel
surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there >>>>>>>>>>>>>have
been more support for a National, Labour coalition? >>>>>>>>>>>>Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it >>>>>>>>>>>>stupidy
deliberate nastiness.
I wish to respond to multiple posters in a thread I do so separately >>>>>>>>>>to each individual. This is a simple courtesy and convention which >>>>>>>>>>you seem to be unaware of.
I have been using Usenet since it began, and have not seen that in any >>>>>>>>>group rules, or even expressed as a "convention." Quite simply I do >>>>>>>>>not believe you without some evidence.
Have a look here for example >>>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet
or
https://academic.oup.com/jcmc/article/2/4/JCMC2410/4584388
and if still in doubt, find the FAQ for nz.general and quote the part >>>>>>>>>of that which you think supports your assertion about your purported >>>>>>>>>"courtesy and convention" of responding separately to each individual. >>>>>>>>
Being your preferred practice does not make this and agreed convention >>>>>>>- it is your personal preference. It can keep different subjects in >>>>>>>separate subthreads in some circumstances, in others it will merely >>>>>>>confuse and prompt duplicate comments in those sub-threads. Your >>>>>>>preference does not make this a requirement for posting to this usenet >>>>>>>group.
It is called freedom of expression. Some are happy to let people post >>>>>whatever they want - others like you want to dictate what people are >>>>>"allowed" to post. You just want to set "rules" for everything, Tony - >>>>>but in this case there are no rules. Just call if "Freedom" - happy >>>>>now?
politeness is something you do not need to possess - well it is clear that >>>>you
don't possess it, nevertheless be polite and stop the cowardly and sneaky >>>>answering the wrong person
You bleat and moo about other people setting rules, which I never do, and >>>>in
so
doing you piss all over other people's freedoms. You are a prize idiot and >>>>a
kvetch.
responding to posts from other posters. You nay continue to do
whatever you want - I do not expect much except personal abuse from
you - and I will continue to be the voice of reason in response to
your abuse, Tony. Free speech really is worthwhile defending, don't
you agree?
Free speech is my mantra, pity it is not yours but hey we all know that. >>This is not about free speech and everybody knows that including you - it is >>about your cowardice and abuse.
I will take you weak attempt to change the subject from your
insistence posts be addressed in a particular way as an attempt at an >apology. You can crawl back into your hole now, Tony.
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