Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but sometimes he gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm in it. Live and let live. https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori descent. >Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders Peeni >Henare and Willie Jackson.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but sometimes he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm in >>>it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>things develop.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the greedy >elite.
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori descent. Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders Peeni Henare and Willie Jackson.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but sometimes he >> gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm in >>it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as
things develop.
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the current circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider the culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori descent. >>Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders Peeni >>Henare and Willie Jackson.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but sometimes >>>>he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm in >>>>it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>things develop.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the greedy >>elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely
they were appointed than elected.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the current >circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider the >culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori descent. >>>Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders Peeni
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but sometimes >>>>>he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm in >>>>>it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>>things develop.
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the greedy >>>elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely
they were appointed than elected.
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the current >>circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider the >>culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm >>>>>>in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>>>things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders >>>>Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the greedy >>>>elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely
they were appointed than elected.
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the current >>circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider the >>culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>>>things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the greedy >>>>elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely
they were appointed than elected.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can
- Good Faith support for Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway.
Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >delusional as Luxon.
As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the current >>circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider the >>culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>>>things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the greedy >>>>elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely
they were appointed than elected.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour >disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the current >>circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider the >>culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>>>things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the greedy >>>>elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely
they were appointed than elected.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 21:23:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the current
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>>>>things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider the >>>culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can
How so? He has simply repeated the content of the coalition agreement >between National and Act.
- Good Faith support for Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway.
See above.
Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>delusional as Luxon.
That is a lie. Seymour and Act simply want to introduce a Bill to >Parliament. Nothing more, nothing less. There can be no debate on
this as it is in the coalition agreement outlined above.
When the Bill gets its first reading, the debate in Parliament (and no
doubt elsewhere informally) begins, followed by Select Committee
submissions. So there is debate - in fact debate is all there is
given National has said the Bill will go no further.
As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of >>debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
A better bunch of Charlatans than the ones you support Rich. Peters
is simply behaving normally and debate will begin once the Bill has
been introduced.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament,
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm >>>>>>>>in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>>>>>things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders >>>>>>Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the >>>>>>greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider the >>>>culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
That is irrelevant to Rich and his ilk, they believe in anarchy, tribalism, >apartheid and wealth for the "chosen" elite. No room for fairness or ordinary >people.That is just idiotic and stupid bitterness talking - poor Tony has
I hope they go to hell, the lot of them.
We can expect some difficult times as the country has an attempt at making >>progress through this situation.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 10:47:20 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Yes in deed as proven by the Ardern tribe.
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 21:23:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm >>>>>>>>in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>>>>>things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders >>>>>>Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the >>>>>>greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider the >>>>culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can
How so? He has simply repeated the content of the coalition agreement >>between National and Act.
Indeed, and it is unclear whether that is enough - see >https://archive.is/37w4o
and this, which says much the same thing but from the opposition
perspective >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/the-treaty-our-future-is-two-people-singing-as-one-without-resentment-or-rancour-willie-jackson/KGP2GUAO4NFDPNXH5MY4STMJKI/
Getting back on track is hard when there are three tracks, and no
leadership or clarity.
What it seems to you is nothing but guesswork.- Good Faith support for Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway.
Initially National were saying that Seymour and ACT would be given the >opportunity through the select committee process to persuade other
parties (including National MPs) to support the Bill - it seems there
was not enough "Good Faith" to keep that on the table
No that is incorrect but you wish eh?
See above.
Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>delusional as Luxon.
That is a lie. Seymour and Act simply want to introduce a Bill to >>Parliament. Nothing more, nothing less. There can be no debate on
this as it is in the coalition agreement outlined above.
I do not see the coalition agreement as ruling out debate either when
the bill is introduced or when it is before the Select Committee, but
I do not know who will be on that Select Committee. Meanwhile, Luxon
is showing as having made a major mistake in coalition negotiations,
and now being led by the minor parties.
They did
When the Bill gets its first reading, the debate in Parliament (and no >>doubt elsewhere informally) begins, followed by Select Committee >>submissions. So there is debate - in fact debate is all there is
given National has said the Bill will go no further.
And that debate will raise expectations that the government will sort
all the perceived problems out, from those that believe that Maori
ceded sovereignty
to those that believe English should be our onlyI have never heard that from anyone, your statement is absurd.
language
to those who want the Waitangi Tribunal closed down.Time for that anyway.
The uncertainty and lack of trust will be seen to be the fault of theOnly by you and the gullible few followers of the "true faith".
Prime Minister
- some people thought he was in charge of theAnything but the Ardern train wreck.
Government . . . >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/tribal-leaders-fear-crown-deal-over-maunga-will-not-withstand-government-axing/QG5RZBO3PZEDXAGZSSGHSQFQVY/
So just what is this "Track" that we are supposed to be getting back
on?
As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of >>>debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any >>>Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
A better bunch of Charlatans than the ones you support Rich. Peters
is simply behaving normally and debate will begin once the Bill has
been introduced.
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That is irrelevant to Rich and his ilk, they believe in anarchy, tribalism, apartheid and wealth for the "chosen" elite. No room for fairness or ordinary people.
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>current
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm >>>>>>>in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>>>>things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders >>>>>Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the >>>>>greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider the >>>culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of
debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
We can expect some difficult times as the country has an attempt at making >progress through this situation.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or deliberate nastiness.
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament,
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no >>>>>>>>>harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>>>>>>things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders >>>>>>>Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the >>>>>>>greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>>>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider >>>>>the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour >>>> disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as
delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of >>>> debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any
Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
and also for one political party - the collective result of the party
vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each
political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given
that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not
disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible
that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its
true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a
majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more
people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have
been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
As it is they are making decisions without consultation, and withoutAbuse removed
doing work on the financial effects - questions are being asked now
about the Auckland decision to stop projects without any notice . . .
That is irrelevant to Rich and his ilk, they believe in anarchy, tribalism, >>apartheid and wealth for the "chosen" elite. No room for fairness or ordinary >>people.
I hope they go to hell, the lot of them.
Nonsense.We can expect some difficult times as the country has an attempt at making >>>progress through this situation.
Certainly the lack of communication is becoming a problem - it appears
that to achieve the tax cuts a lot of decisions are being made without >consultation and in the case of the Auckland fuel surcharges, how much
it will cost to back out of some contracts already under way. .
Already we have sacrificed cost of living for minimum wage workers
(they are getting a cut in real terms), we are giving up planned new >classrooms in schools, fixing water problems is getting further and
further away - and it looks like they will be asking Councils to
borrow at higher rates than the government can, which is just paying
more money overseas; we are accepting more smoking deaths in future
that will cost us more than the additional taxes the government will
receive - and all to fund a cut to the top tax rate. Already
economists are predicting that the Reserve Bank will need to start
raising interest rates again . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >deliberate nastiness.
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament,
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no >>>>>>>>>>harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>>>>>>>things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders >>>>>>>>Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the >>>>>>>>greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>>>>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider >>>>>>the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour >>>>> disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of >>>>> debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any >>>>> Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway. >>>>> A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
and also for one political party - the collective result of the party
vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each
political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given
that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not
disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible
that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its
true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a
majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have
been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
Stop doing it you miserable little twerp.I have not reason not to treat nz.general as a group discussion - self-important twerps like Tony notwithstanding
You left your abuse above, Tony. Mis-representing others is par forAbuse removed
As it is they are making decisions without consultation, and without
doing work on the financial effects - questions are being asked now
about the Auckland decision to stop projects without any notice . . .
That is irrelevant to Rich and his ilk, they believe in anarchy, tribalism, >>>apartheid and wealth for the "chosen" elite. No room for fairness or ordinary
people.
I hope they go to hell, the lot of them.
I heard that this afternoon - it will be the effect of a combinationNonsense.
We can expect some difficult times as the country has an attempt at making >>>>progress through this situation.
Certainly the lack of communication is becoming a problem - it appears
that to achieve the tax cuts a lot of decisions are being made without >>consultation and in the case of the Auckland fuel surcharges, how much
it will cost to back out of some contracts already under way. .
Already we have sacrificed cost of living for minimum wage workers
(they are getting a cut in real terms), we are giving up planned new >>classrooms in schools, fixing water problems is getting further and
further away - and it looks like they will be asking Councils to
borrow at higher rates than the government can, which is just paying
more money overseas; we are accepting more smoking deaths in future
that will cost us more than the additional taxes the government will >>receive - and all to fund a cut to the top tax rate. Already
economists are predicting that the Reserve Bank will need to start
raising interest rates again . . .
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That is a like -it is cowardice, you are hoping to slip things through - or you are dirt lazy - eityher way it is unacceptable etiquette.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>deliberate nastiness.
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament,
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no >>>>>>>>>>>harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as
things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the >>>>>>>>>greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>>>>>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider >>>>>>>the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour >>>>>> disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of >>>>>> debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any >>>>>> Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway. >>>>>> A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given
that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not
disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible
that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a
majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have
been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
- nz.general is aNonsense - you deliberately made it hard for people toii follow the thread - you do it so often it is obviously deliberate.
usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I
provided an answer.
Lie removedStop doing it you miserable little twerp.
Abuse removedAbuse removed
As it is they are making decisions without consultation, and without >>>doing work on the financial effects - questions are being asked now
about the Auckland decision to stop projects without any notice . . .
That is irrelevant to Rich and his ilk, they believe in anarchy, tribalism, >>>>apartheid and wealth for the "chosen" elite. No room for fairness or >>>>ordinary
people.
I hope they go to hell, the lot of them.
It is nonsense, perhaps you should stop listening to the little voices that nobody else hears.I heard that this afternoon - it will be the effect of a combinationNonsense.
We can expect some difficult times as the country has an attempt at making >>>>>progress through this situation.
Certainly the lack of communication is becoming a problem - it appears >>>that to achieve the tax cuts a lot of decisions are being made without >>>consultation and in the case of the Auckland fuel surcharges, how much
it will cost to back out of some contracts already under way. .
Already we have sacrificed cost of living for minimum wage workers
(they are getting a cut in real terms), we are giving up planned new >>>classrooms in schools, fixing water problems is getting further and >>>further away - and it looks like they will be asking Councils to
borrow at higher rates than the government can, which is just paying
more money overseas; we are accepting more smoking deaths in future
that will cost us more than the additional taxes the government will >>>receive - and all to fund a cut to the top tax rate. Already
economists are predicting that the Reserve Bank will need to start >>>raising interest rates again . . .
of things, including a lot more of the things the government is doing
than I have mentioned, but also higher than expected overseas
inflation.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 10:47:20 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 21:23:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no harm in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as >>>>>>>things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider the >>>>culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can
How so? He has simply repeated the content of the coalition agreement >>between National and Act.
Indeed, and it is unclear whether that is enough - see >https://archive.is/37w4o
and this, which says much the same thing but from the opposition
perspective >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/the-treaty-our-future-is-two-people-singing-as-one-without-resentment-or-rancour-willie-jackson/KGP2GUAO4NFDPNXH5MY4STMJKI/
Getting back on track is hard when there are three tracks, and no
leadership or clarity.
- Good Faith support for Seymour
disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of
being complicit anyway.
Initially National were saying that Seymour and ACT would be given the >opportunity through the select committee process to persuade other
parties (including National MPs) to support the Bill - it seems there
was not enough "Good Faith" to keep that on the table
See above.
Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>delusional as Luxon.
That is a lie. Seymour and Act simply want to introduce a Bill to >>Parliament. Nothing more, nothing less. There can be no debate on
this as it is in the coalition agreement outlined above.
I do not see the coalition agreement as ruling out debate either when
the bill is introduced or when it is before the Select Committee, but
I do not know who will be on that Select Committee. Meanwhile, Luxon
is showing as having made a major mistake in coalition negotiations,
and now being led by the minor parties.
When the Bill gets its first reading, the debate in Parliament (and no >>doubt elsewhere informally) begins, followed by Select Committee >>submissions. So there is debate - in fact debate is all there is
given National has said the Bill will go no further.
And that debate will raise expectations that the government will sort
all the perceived problems out, from those that believe that Maori
ceded sovereignty to those that believe English should be our only
language to those who want the Waitangi Tribunal closed down.
The uncertainty and lack of trust will be seen to be the fault of the
Prime Minister - some people thought he was in charge of the
Government . . . >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/tribal-leaders-fear-crown-deal-over-maunga-will-not-withstand-government-axing/QG5RZBO3PZEDXAGZSSGHSQFQVY/
So just what is this "Track" that we are supposed to be getting back
on?
As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of >>>debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any >>>Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway.
A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
A better bunch of Charlatans than the ones you support Rich. Peters
is simply behaving normally and debate will begin once the Bill has
been introduced.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question - nz.general is a
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>deliberate nastiness.
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament,
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no >>>>>>>>>>>harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as
things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the >>>>>>>>>greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>>>>>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider >>>>>>>the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour >>>>>> disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even
attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to
bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than
anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of >>>>>> debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any >>>>>> Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway. >>>>>> A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given
that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not
disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible
that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a
majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have
been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I
provided an answer - only you Tony would go off topic to abuse a
poster rather than addressing the question and answer.
Stop doing it you miserable little twerp.I have not reason not to treat nz.general as a group discussion - >self-important twerps like Tony notwithstanding
You left your abuse above, Tony. Mis-representing others is par forAbuse removed
As it is they are making decisions without consultation, and without >>>doing work on the financial effects - questions are being asked now
about the Auckland decision to stop projects without any notice . . .
That is irrelevant to Rich and his ilk, they believe in anarchy, tribalism, >>>>apartheid and wealth for the "chosen" elite. No room for fairness or ordinary
people.
I hope they go to hell, the lot of them.
the far right nutters though; I just ignored it. All I was doing was
trying to assure you that whatever government our system produces it
is not your personal fault.
I heard that this afternoon - it will be the effect of a combinationNonsense.
We can expect some difficult times as the country has an attempt at making >>>>>progress through this situation.
Certainly the lack of communication is becoming a problem - it appears >>>that to achieve the tax cuts a lot of decisions are being made without >>>consultation and in the case of the Auckland fuel surcharges, how much
it will cost to back out of some contracts already under way. .
Already we have sacrificed cost of living for minimum wage workers
(they are getting a cut in real terms), we are giving up planned new >>>classrooms in schools, fixing water problems is getting further and >>>further away - and it looks like they will be asking Councils to
borrow at higher rates than the government can, which is just paying
more money overseas; we are accepting more smoking deaths in future
that will cost us more than the additional taxes the government will >>>receive - and all to fund a cut to the top tax rate. Already
economists are predicting that the Reserve Bank will need to start >>>raising interest rates again . . .
of things, including a lot more of the things the government is doing
than I have mentioned, but also higher than expected overseas
inflation.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That is a like -it is cowardice, you are hoping to slip things through - or you
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>deliberate nastiness.
wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament,
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>>>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>>>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no >>>>>>>>>>>>harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said as
things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the >>>>>>>>>>greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given >>>>>>>>>that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you consider >>>>>>>>the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour >>>>>>> disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of >>>>>>> debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any >>>>>>> Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway. >>>>>>> A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not
disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible
that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
are dirt lazy - eityher way it is unacceptable etiquette.
Time to grow up and stolp it.
- nz.general is aNonsense - you deliberately made it hard for people toii follow the thread - >you do it so often it is obviously deliberate.
usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>provided an answer.
Lies removed.
Lie removed
Stop doing it you miserable little twerp.
Abuse removed
Abuse removed
As it is they are making decisions without consultation, and without >>>>doing work on the financial effects - questions are being asked now >>>>about the Auckland decision to stop projects without any notice . . .
That is irrelevant to Rich and his ilk, they believe in anarchy, tribalism,
apartheid and wealth for the "chosen" elite. No room for fairness or >>>>>ordinary
people.
I hope they go to hell, the lot of them.
It is nonsense, perhaps you should stop listening to the little voices that >nobody else hears.
I heard that this afternoon - it will be the effect of a combinationNonsense.
We can expect some difficult times as the country has an attempt at making
progress through this situation.
Certainly the lack of communication is becoming a problem - it appears >>>>that to achieve the tax cuts a lot of decisions are being made without >>>>consultation and in the case of the Auckland fuel surcharges, how much >>>>it will cost to back out of some contracts already under way. .
Already we have sacrificed cost of living for minimum wage workers >>>>(they are getting a cut in real terms), we are giving up planned new >>>>classrooms in schools, fixing water problems is getting further and >>>>further away - and it looks like they will be asking Councils to
borrow at higher rates than the government can, which is just paying >>>>more money overseas; we are accepting more smoking deaths in future >>>>that will cost us more than the additional taxes the government will >>>>receive - and all to fund a cut to the top tax rate. Already
economists are predicting that the Reserve Bank will need to start >>>>raising interest rates again . . .
of things, including a lot more of the things the government is doing
than I have mentioned, but also higher than expected overseas
inflation.
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 05:52:04 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 04:33:02 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>That is a like -it is cowardice, you are hoping to slip things through - or >>you
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I was addressing anyone that read the question
On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 03:31:05 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:Why do you answer one person and then address another? Is it stupidy or >>>>deliberate nastiness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Each voter was able to vote for an electorate Member of Parliament, >>>>>and also for one political party - the collective result of the party >>>>>vote determined the number of MPs elected to parliament for each >>>>>political party. Nobody voted for a particular coalition, or for the >>>>>Coalition Agreement that National, ACT and NZ First agreed to. Given >>>>>that some of the policies in the coalition agreement were not >>>>>disclosed as policy until after voting had started. It is possible >>>>>that had some been known they could have affected votes, but that its >>>>>true of policies adopted by any new government. Do you believe a >>>>>majority of voters supported the changes to smoking laws to allow more >>>>>people to smoke? Did the majority of Auckland voters vote for the fuel >>>>>surcharge being stopped and projects put in limbo? Would there have >>>>>been more support for a National, Labour coalition?
On 2024-02-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:41:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 01:04:12 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:That would make sense, it may also explain why the ringleaders of the >>>>>>>>>current
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-02-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:And Brian Tamaki, David Seymour and Winston Peters are all of Maori >>>>>>>>>>>descent.
Brian Tamaki is a long way from my favourite sort of person but >>>>>>>>>>>>>sometimes
he
gets it and puiblishes it.
The religious bit at the end is not for everybody but there is no >>>>>>>>>>>>>harm
in
it.
Live and let live.
https://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/waitangi-opinion-piece-from-brian-tamaki/8609/
I think we are going to see more more of this view point being said >>>>>>>>>>>>as
things develop.
Who knows they may be a higher percentage Maori than the bottom >>>>>>>>>>>feeders
Peeni
Henare and Willie Jackson.
It really is time people started to listen to real Maori and not the >>>>>>>>>>>greedy
elite.
I have always wondered how the 'Maori Elite' got to that status. Given
that Maori culture has no concept of democracy it seems more likely >>>>>>>>>>they were appointed than elected.
circus are frightened of debate and talk. Interesting when you >>>>>>>>>consider
the
culture on the Marae is to talk and debate.
Luxon is backing off as far as he can - Good Faith support for Seymour >>>>>>>> disappeared very quickly, but Luxon is now tarred with the brush of >>>>>>>> being complicit anyway. Seymour doesn't want a debate or to even >>>>>>>> attend meetings on the subject, he just wants to get it to a
referendum that can be skewed by money and disinformation - he is as >>>>>>>> delusional as Luxon. As for Winston Peers - he is just trying to >>>>>>>> bluster through with distractions and claims of higher mana than >>>>>>>> anyone else. Yes I agree that the circus ringleaders are frightened of >>>>>>>> debate and talk; but in fairness Seymour does not pretend to hold any >>>>>>>> Maori sympathies or values or any understanding of NZ history anyway. >>>>>>>> A fine bunch of charlatans you support, Tony.
Was not the Government voted in by the people?
are dirt lazy - eityher way it is unacceptable etiquette.
Time to grow up and stolp it.
- nz.general is aNonsense - you deliberately made it hard for people toii follow the thread - >>you do it so often it is obviously deliberate.
usenet group - no conversations are private. A question was asked; I >>>provided an answer.
Lies removed.
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Stop doing it you miserable little twerp.
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As it is they are making decisions without consultation, and without >>>>>doing work on the financial effects - questions are being asked now >>>>>about the Auckland decision to stop projects without any notice . . . >>>>>
That is irrelevant to Rich and his ilk, they believe in anarchy, >>>>>>tribalism,
apartheid and wealth for the "chosen" elite. No room for fairness or >>>>>>ordinary
people.
I hope they go to hell, the lot of them.
It is nonsense, perhaps you should stop listening to the little voices that >>nobody else hears.
I heard that this afternoon - it will be the effect of a combinationNonsense.
We can expect some difficult times as the country has an attempt at >>>>>>>making
progress through this situation.
Certainly the lack of communication is becoming a problem - it appears >>>>>that to achieve the tax cuts a lot of decisions are being made without >>>>>consultation and in the case of the Auckland fuel surcharges, how much >>>>>it will cost to back out of some contracts already under way. . >>>>>Already we have sacrificed cost of living for minimum wage workers >>>>>(they are getting a cut in real terms), we are giving up planned new >>>>>classrooms in schools, fixing water problems is getting further and >>>>>further away - and it looks like they will be asking Councils to >>>>>borrow at higher rates than the government can, which is just paying >>>>>more money overseas; we are accepting more smoking deaths in future >>>>>that will cost us more than the additional taxes the government will >>>>>receive - and all to fund a cut to the top tax rate. Already >>>>>economists are predicting that the Reserve Bank will need to start >>>>>raising interest rates again . . .
of things, including a lot more of the things the government is doing >>>than I have mentioned, but also higher than expected overseas
inflation.
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