• Some facts for a change

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 6 19:53:17 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/un-says-melting-arctic-ice-is-a-key-indicator-of-climate-change-but-its-not-melting-5580038?utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2024-02-06&src_cmp=Aomb-2024-02-06&utm_medium=
    Aoemail&cta_utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoecta&est=%2Bbf8a113zdA3oh7Ay22uGR6zDZpNEXykEE6vSc4oyDwEHvV2zX5htexQi1FbheNljvij
    What climate crisis?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Feb 6 23:27:28 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 19:53:17 GMT, Tony wrote:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/un-says-melting-arctic-ice-is-a-
    key-indicator-of-climate-change-but-its-not-melting-5580038? utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2024-02-06&src_cmp=Aomb-2024-02-06&utm_medium=Aoemail&cta_utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoecta&est=%2Bbf8a113zdA3oh7Ay22uGR6zDZpNEXykEE6vSc4oyDwEHvV2zX5htexQi1FbheNljvij
    What climate crisis?

    You paid for that??

    Guess who the gullible one is ...

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Wed Feb 7 00:45:52 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 19:53:17 GMT, Tony wrote:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/un-says-melting-arctic-ice-is-a- >key-indicator-of-climate-change-but-its-not-melting-5580038? >utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2024-02-06&src_cmp=Aomb-2024-02-06&utm_medium=Aoemail&cta_utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoecta&est=%2Bbf8a113zdA3oh7Ay22uGR6zDZpNEXykEE6vSc4oyDwEHvV2zX5htexQi1FbheNljvij
    What climate crisis?

    You paid for that??

    Guess who the gullible one is ...
    I didn't pay for it, it is free. Guess who the confused one is.
    I strongly suggest more concentration and less assumption - it works well.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Wed Feb 7 03:59:59 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 00:45:52 GMT, Tony wrote:

    I didn't pay for it, it is free.

    You know the old saying: “If you aren’t paying for the product, you *are* >the product”.
    Noted - your deliberate removal of the posts that would have made that last comment of yours idiotic.
    For your revision - like a child.
    You claimed I paid for something,
    That was incorrect, I did not,
    and now you post a homily that makes no sense in or out of context.
    Oh dear what a problem poor education brings in later life.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Tony on Wed Feb 7 03:45:21 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 00:45:52 GMT, Tony wrote:

    I didn't pay for it, it is free.

    You know the old saying: “If you aren’t paying for the product, you *are* the product”.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Tony on Wed Feb 7 04:39:59 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 03:59:59 GMT, Tony wrote:

    and now you post a homily that makes no sense in or out of context.

    Is that “self-evident” to you?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Wed Feb 7 06:34:16 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 03:59:59 GMT, Tony wrote:

    and now you post a homily that makes no sense in or out of context.

    Is that “self-evident” to you?
    You do love to remove context don't you - cowardice or incompetence, which is it?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Tony on Wed Feb 7 07:27:28 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 06:34:16 GMT, Tony wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 03:59:59 GMT, Tony wrote:

    and now you post a homily that makes no sense in or out of context.

    Is that “self-evident” to you?

    You do love to remove context don't you - cowardice or incompetence,
    which is it?

    Which one would you say is “self-evident”?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Wed Feb 7 08:02:20 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 06:34:16 GMT, Tony wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 03:59:59 GMT, Tony wrote:

    and now you post a homily that makes no sense in or out of context.

    Is that “self-evident” to you?

    You do love to remove context don't you - cowardice or incompetence,
    which is it?

    Which one would you say is “self-evident”?
    Both or none or anyone you choose.
    Your call.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Wed Feb 7 20:22:11 2024
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 23:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 19:53:17 GMT, Tony wrote:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/un-says-melting-arctic-ice-is-a- >key-indicator-of-climate-change-but-its-not-melting-5580038? >utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2024-02-06&src_cmp=Aomb-2024-02-06&utm_medium=Aoemail&cta_utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoecta&est=%2Bbf8a113zdA3oh7Ay22uGR6zDZpNEXykEE6vSc4oyDwEHvV2zX5htexQi1FbheNljvij
    What climate crisis?

    You paid for that??

    Guess who the gullible one is ...

    The initial post in this thread was started by Tony with the Subject:
    "The truth is coming - slowly but inexorably", but it was behind a
    paywall - we can deduce a little about the context from the first bit
    of the article, and a bit more about the website from here: https://www.theepochtimes.com/

    See however: https://www.worldwildlife.org/pages/six-ways-loss-of-arctic-ice-impacts-everyone

    Gullible? - Tony posted a url in an area where Tony has already
    demonstrated that he has a closed mind and follows some wacky
    misinformation sites. Given Tony's posting history we can definitively
    agree that it is self-evident that he is gullible - but I suspect an
    even more apt description is "wilfully deluded".

    A quick search for websites relating to the melting polar ice (not
    biased either for or against the article Tony posted, gave : - https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/question-12/
    and
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_sea_ice_decline
    and
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8vJsjsPW-M&ab_channel=GlobalNews
    and
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/big-thaw
    and https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/edu/teach/activity/whats-causing-sea-level-rise-land-ice-vs-sea-ice/
    and https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/06/world/new-zealand-glaciers-melt-climate-intl/index.html
    and https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/glaciers-may-melt-even-faster-than-expected-study-finds/
    and
    https://earth.org/glacial-melting/
    and https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-nzs-melting-glaciers-likely-just-had-their-worst-summer-yet/6CZBAMIAOFDOFMWXM6WTAM6JVA/

    So just for Tony - a quick search on climate change denial gave may
    sites including: https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/climate-change-denialism-something-we-all-suffer
    https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/everyday-actions/6-claims-made-by-climate-change-skeptics-and-how-to-respond/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/07/us-hotbed-climate-change-denial-international-poll
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0176268020300963 https://www.exposedbycmd.org/2022/03/21/the-dirty-dozen-the-biggest-nonprofit-funders-of-climate-denial/

    So challenges for Tony :-
    1. Why should your denier site be believed in the face of all of these articles?
    2. See if you can stay on topic - this thread was started by you
    posting an article behind a paywall - see if you can stick to
    justifying the views expressed in that part of the article that is
    available to the public - or was your intent to mislead?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Feb 7 08:00:34 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 23:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 19:53:17 GMT, Tony wrote:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/un-says-melting-arctic-ice-is-a- >>key-indicator-of-climate-change-but-its-not-melting-5580038? >>utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2024-02-06&src_cmp=Aomb-2024-02-06&utm_medium=Aoemail&cta_utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoecta&est=%2Bbf8a113zdA3oh7Ay22uGR6zDZpNEXykEE6vSc4oyDwEHvV2zX5htexQi1FbheNljvij
    What climate crisis?

    You paid for that??

    Guess who the gullible one is ...

    The initial post in this thread was started by Tony with the Subject:
    "The truth is coming - slowly but inexorably", but it was behind a
    paywall
    Bullshit - it is not behind a paywall, do you and Lawrence both have difficulty with using the internet.

    Therefore everything Rich posted is pointless and gone for now until he finds how to use a computer.

    Try, try, and try again - no paywall in sight.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 8 10:53:14 2024
    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 08:00:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 23:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 19:53:17 GMT, Tony wrote:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/un-says-melting-arctic-ice-is-a- >>>key-indicator-of-climate-change-but-its-not-melting-5580038? >>>utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2024-02-06&src_cmp=Aomb-2024-02-06&utm_medium=Aoemail&cta_utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoecta&est=%2Bbf8a113zdA3oh7Ay22uGR6zDZpNEXykEE6vSc4oyDwEHvV2zX5htexQi1FbheNljvij
    What climate crisis?

    You paid for that??

    Guess who the gullible one is ...

    The initial post in this thread was started by Tony with the Subject:
    "The truth is coming - slowly but inexorably", but it was behind a
    paywall
    Bullshit - it is not behind a paywall, do you and Lawrence both have difficulty
    with using the internet.

    Therefore everything Rich posted is pointless and gone for now until he finds >how to use a computer.

    Try, try, and try again - no paywall in sight.

    I do apologize Tony, the "paywall" may not require payment to gain
    access - for quite a few of the propaganda far right websites it is
    not your money they want but your email address so they can bombard
    you with further propaganda. I have no wish to receive unsolicited
    emails from such a site, so I did not progress with the registration requirement - clearly you had, but someone may have set your computer
    up so that registration once completed is automatically triggered once
    you go to the site again.

    Now we do not know if any other readers of nz.general have registered
    and are able to access the whole article, but it is possible someone
    may have a look and let us know whether the article is indeed
    available as you claim, or whether there is a registration
    requirement.

    Meanwhile, now that issue has been covered, here is my previous post
    just for your benefit - none of the websites will ask for either money
    your personal details:

    The initial post in this thread was started by Tony with the Subject:
    "The truth is coming - slowly but inexorably", but it was behind a
    paywall - we can deduce a little about the context from the first bit
    of the article, and a bit more about the website from here: https://www.theepochtimes.com/

    See however: https://www.worldwildlife.org/pages/six-ways-loss-of-arctic-ice-impacts-everyone

    Gullible? - Tony posted a url in an area where Tony has already
    demonstrated that he has a closed mind and follows some wacky
    misinformation sites. Given Tony's posting history we can definitively
    agree that it is self-evident that he is gullible - but I suspect an
    even more apt description is "wilfully deluded".

    A quick search for websites relating to the melting polar ice (not
    biased either for or against the article Tony posted, gave : - https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/question-12/
    and
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_sea_ice_decline
    and
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8vJsjsPW-M&ab_channel=GlobalNews
    and
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/big-thaw
    and https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/edu/teach/activity/whats-causing-sea-level-rise-land-ice-vs-sea-ice/
    and https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/06/world/new-zealand-glaciers-melt-climate-intl/index.html
    and https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/glaciers-may-melt-even-faster-than-expected-study-finds/
    and
    https://earth.org/glacial-melting/
    and https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-nzs-melting-glaciers-likely-just-had-their-worst-summer-yet/6CZBAMIAOFDOFMWXM6WTAM6JVA/

    So just for Tony - a quick search on climate change denial gave may
    sites including: https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/climate-change-denialism-something-we-all-suffer
    https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/everyday-actions/6-claims-made-by-climate-change-skeptics-and-how-to-respond/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/07/us-hotbed-climate-change-denial-international-poll
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0176268020300963 https://www.exposedbycmd.org/2022/03/21/the-dirty-dozen-the-biggest-nonprofit-funders-of-climate-denial/

    So challenges for Tony :-
    1. Why should your denier site be believed in the face of all of these articles?
    2. See if you can stay on topic - this thread was started by you
    posting an article behind a paywall - see if you can stick to
    justifying the views expressed in that part of the article that is
    available to the public - or was your intent to mislead?

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Tony on Wed Feb 7 21:25:53 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 08:02:20 GMT, Tony wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Which one would you say is “self-evident”?

    Both or none or anyone you choose.
    Your call.

    In a thread about “gullibility”, somehow that seems appropriate ...

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Feb 8 00:55:19 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 08:00:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 23:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 19:53:17 GMT, Tony wrote:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/un-says-melting-arctic-ice-is-a- >>>>key-indicator-of-climate-change-but-its-not-melting-5580038? >>>>utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2024-02-06&src_cmp=Aomb-2024-02-06&utm_medium=Aoemail&cta_utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoecta&est=%2Bbf8a113zdA3oh7Ay22uGR6zDZpNEXykEE6vSc4oyDwEHvV2zX5htexQi1FbheNljvij
    What climate crisis?

    You paid for that??

    Guess who the gullible one is ...

    The initial post in this thread was started by Tony with the Subject: >>>"The truth is coming - slowly but inexorably", but it was behind a >>>paywall
    Bullshit - it is not behind a paywall, do you and Lawrence both have >>difficulty
    with using the internet.

    Therefore everything Rich posted is pointless and gone for now until he finds >>how to use a computer.

    Try, try, and try again - no paywall in sight.

    I do apologize Tony, the "paywall" may not require payment to gain
    access - for quite a few of the propaganda far right websites
    It is not far right unless you are honest - and we know that is not the case.
    it is
    not your money they want but your email address so they can bombard
    you with further propaganda. I have no wish to receive unsolicited
    emails from such a site, so I did not progress with the registration >requirement - clearly you had,
    No I had not you moron, there is no such requirement - when do you stop lying, ever? I doubt it.
    but someone may have set your computer
    up so that registration once completed is automatically triggered once
    you go to the site again.
    No such thing, nobody else does my computer work unlike you. They do not have my email address and your incompetence is really showing now.

    Now we do not know if any other readers of nz.general have registered
    and are able to access the whole article, but it is possible someone
    may have a look and let us know whether the article is indeed
    available as you claim, or whether there is a registration
    requirement.
    There is no registration requirement click on the original link I posted and your tiny mind will lioght up like a dim bulb.
    You could try it - maybe Lwarence and you could have a cup of tea and a little lie down before you try.


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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Thu Feb 8 00:57:41 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 08:02:20 GMT, Tony wrote:

    Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    Which one would you say is “self-evident”?

    Both or none or anyone you choose.
    Your call.

    In a thread about “gullibility”, somehow that seems appropriate ...
    Your confession is appropriate. Did you finally work your way through the simple tasks (for other folk) of opening the non-paywalled link, and read the non-hidden content or do you intend to just snipe at people, most of whom are your betters)?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 8 20:48:48 2024
    On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 00:55:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 08:00:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 23:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 19:53:17 GMT, Tony wrote:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/un-says-melting-arctic-ice-is-a- >>>>>key-indicator-of-climate-change-but-its-not-melting-5580038? >>>>>utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2024-02-06&src_cmp=Aomb-2024-02-06&utm_medium=Aoemail&cta_utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoecta&est=%2Bbf8a113zdA3oh7Ay22uGR6zDZpNEXykEE6vSc4oyDwEHvV2zX5htexQi1FbheNljvij
    What climate crisis?

    You paid for that??

    Guess who the gullible one is ...

    The initial post in this thread was started by Tony with the Subject: >>>>"The truth is coming - slowly but inexorably", but it was behind a >>>>paywall
    Bullshit - it is not behind a paywall, do you and Lawrence both have >>>difficulty
    with using the internet.

    Therefore everything Rich posted is pointless and gone for now until he finds
    how to use a computer.

    Try, try, and try again - no paywall in sight.

    I do apologize Tony, the "paywall" may not require payment to gain
    access - for quite a few of the propaganda far right websites
    It is not far right unless you are honest - and we know that is not the case. >> it is
    not your money they want but your email address so they can bombard
    you with further propaganda. I have no wish to receive unsolicited
    emails from such a site, so I did not progress with the registration >>requirement - clearly you had,
    No I had not you moron, there is no such requirement - when do you stop lying, >ever? I doubt it.
    but someone may have set your computer
    up so that registration once completed is automatically triggered once
    you go to the site again.
    No such thing, nobody else does my computer work unlike you. They do not have >my email address and your incompetence is really showing now.

    We will just have to wait and see if first anyone else bothered to try
    and look at the link you gave, and then whether they were able to see
    more than a few lines. As you have obliquely pointed out, having to
    give an email address is a form of payment, so the word paywall was
    still appropriate.

    So I did try again, and it gave:
    "PAGE NOT FOUND
    It could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable."


    Now we do not know if any other readers of nz.general have registered
    and are able to access the whole article, but it is possible someone
    may have a look and let us know whether the article is indeed
    available as you claim, or whether there is a registration
    requirement.
    There is no registration requirement click on the original link I posted and >your tiny mind will lioght up like a dim bulb.
    You could try it - maybe Lwarence and you could have a cup of tea and a little >lie down before you try.

    You and others can of course still look at the urls that proved that
    your assertion about arctic ice not melting was total bullshit - see
    Gullible? - Tony posted a url in an area where Tony has already
    demonstrated that he has a closed mind and follows some wacky
    misinformation sites. Given Tony's posting history we can definitively
    agree that it is self-evident that he is gullible - but I suspect an
    even more apt description is "wilfully deluded".

    A quick search for websites relating to the melting polar ice (not
    biased either for or against the article Tony posted, gave : - https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/question-12/
    and
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_sea_ice_decline
    and
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8vJsjsPW-M&ab_channel=GlobalNews
    and
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/big-thaw
    and https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/edu/teach/activity/whats-causing-sea-level-rise-land-ice-vs-sea-ice/
    and https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/06/world/new-zealand-glaciers-melt-climate-intl/index.html
    and https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/glaciers-may-melt-even-faster-than-expected-study-finds/
    and
    https://earth.org/glacial-melting/
    and https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-nzs-melting-glaciers-likely-just-had-their-worst-summer-yet/6CZBAMIAOFDOFMWXM6WTAM6JVA/

    So just for Tony - a quick search on climate change denial gave may
    sites including: https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/climate-change-denialism-something-we-all-suffer
    https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/everyday-actions/6-claims-made-by-climate-change-skeptics-and-how-to-respond/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/07/us-hotbed-climate-change-denial-international-poll
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0176268020300963 https://www.exposedbycmd.org/2022/03/21/the-dirty-dozen-the-biggest-nonprofit-funders-of-climate-denial/

    So challenges for Tony :-
    1. Why should your denier site be believed in the face of all of these articles?
    2. See if you can stay on topic - this thread was started by you
    posting an article behind a paywall - see if you can stick to
    justifying the views expressed in that part of the article that is
    available to the public - or was your intent to mislead?

    Do try and get back on track, Tony - at the moment you appear even
    more lost than C Luxon!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Feb 8 19:38:36 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 00:55:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 08:00:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 23:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 19:53:17 GMT, Tony wrote:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/un-says-melting-arctic-ice-is-a- >>>>>>key-indicator-of-climate-change-but-its-not-melting-5580038? >>>>>>utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2024-02-06&src_cmp=Aomb-2024-02-06&utm_medium=Aoemail&cta_utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoecta&est=%2Bbf8a113zdA3oh7Ay22uGR6zDZpNEXykEE6vSc4oyDwEHvV2zX5htexQi1FbheNljvij
    What climate crisis?

    You paid for that??

    Guess who the gullible one is ...

    The initial post in this thread was started by Tony with the Subject: >>>>>"The truth is coming - slowly but inexorably", but it was behind a >>>>>paywall
    Bullshit - it is not behind a paywall, do you and Lawrence both have >>>>difficulty
    with using the internet.

    Therefore everything Rich posted is pointless and gone for now until he >>>>finds
    how to use a computer.

    Try, try, and try again - no paywall in sight.

    I do apologize Tony, the "paywall" may not require payment to gain
    access - for quite a few of the propaganda far right websites
    It is not far right unless you are honest - and we know that is not the case. >>> it is
    not your money they want but your email address so they can bombard
    you with further propaganda. I have no wish to receive unsolicited
    emails from such a site, so I did not progress with the registration >>>requirement - clearly you had,
    No I had not you moron, there is no such requirement - when do you stop >>lying,
    ever? I doubt it.
    but someone may have set your computer
    up so that registration once completed is automatically triggered once >>>you go to the site again.
    No such thing, nobody else does my computer work unlike you. They do not have >>my email address and your incompetence is really showing now.

    We will just have to wait and see if first anyone else bothered to try
    and look at the link you gave, and then whether they were able to see
    more than a few lines.
    What is your problem apart from dementia?
    You are astupid man. It is not behind a paywall. period.
    As you have obliquely pointed out, having to
    give an email address is a form of payment,
    I made no such comment and did not allude to that.
    so the word paywall was
    still appropriate.
    Bullshit.

    So I did try again, and it gave:
    "PAGE NOT FOUND
    It could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily >unavailable."
    Yes that happens.


    Now we do not know if any other readers of nz.general have registered
    and are able to access the whole article, but it is possible someone
    may have a look and let us know whether the article is indeed
    available as you claim, or whether there is a registration
    requirement.
    There is no registration requirement click on the original link I posted and >>your tiny mind will light up like a dim bulb.
    You could try it - maybe Lwarence and you could have a cup of tea and a >>little
    lie down before you try.

    You have once more failed to address the subject.
    You are a nasty little man.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 9 09:45:13 2024
    On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:38:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 00:55:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 08:00:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 23:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 19:53:17 GMT, Tony wrote:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/un-says-melting-arctic-ice-is-a- >>>>>>>key-indicator-of-climate-change-but-its-not-melting-5580038? >>>>>>>utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2024-02-06&src_cmp=Aomb-2024-02-06&utm_medium=Aoemail&cta_utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoecta&est=%2Bbf8a113zdA3oh7Ay22uGR6zDZpNEXykEE6vSc4oyDwEHvV2zX5htexQi1FbheNljvij
    What climate crisis?

    You paid for that??

    Guess who the gullible one is ...

    The initial post in this thread was started by Tony with the Subject: >>>>>>"The truth is coming - slowly but inexorably", but it was behind a >>>>>>paywall
    Bullshit - it is not behind a paywall, do you and Lawrence both have >>>>>difficulty
    with using the internet.

    Therefore everything Rich posted is pointless and gone for now until he >>>>>finds
    how to use a computer.

    Try, try, and try again - no paywall in sight.

    I do apologize Tony, the "paywall" may not require payment to gain >>>>access - for quite a few of the propaganda far right websites
    It is not far right unless you are honest - and we know that is not the case.
    it is
    not your money they want but your email address so they can bombard
    you with further propaganda. I have no wish to receive unsolicited >>>>emails from such a site, so I did not progress with the registration >>>>requirement - clearly you had,
    No I had not you moron, there is no such requirement - when do you stop >>>lying,
    ever? I doubt it.
    but someone may have set your computer
    up so that registration once completed is automatically triggered once >>>>you go to the site again.
    No such thing, nobody else does my computer work unlike you. They do not have
    my email address and your incompetence is really showing now.

    We will just have to wait and see if first anyone else bothered to try
    and look at the link you gave, and then whether they were able to see
    more than a few lines.
    What is your problem apart from dementia?
    You are astupid man. It is not behind a paywall. period.
    As you have obliquely pointed out, having to
    give an email address is a form of payment,
    I made no such comment and did not allude to that.
    so the word paywall was
    still appropriate.
    Bullshit.

    So I did try again, and it gave:
    "PAGE NOT FOUND
    It could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily >>unavailable."
    Yes that happens.

    Since it appears it has been so removed we can congratulate that site
    on removing such incorrect and untrue statements - when you are wrong
    it is best to withdraw and apologise; we can accept that they are
    unlikely to apologise, but at lest you have those references that I
    posted on the subject:

    https://www.worldwildlife.org/pages/six-ways-loss-of-arctic-ice-impacts-everyone

    Gullible? - Tony posted a url in an area where Tony has already
    demonstrated that he has a closed mind and follows some wacky
    misinformation sites. Given Tony's posting history we can definitively
    agree that it is self-evident that he is gullible - but I suspect an
    even more apt description is "wilfully deluded".

    A quick search for websites relating to the melting polar ice (not
    biased either for or against the article Tony posted, gave : - https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/question-12/
    and
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_sea_ice_decline
    and
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8vJsjsPW-M&ab_channel=GlobalNews
    and
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/big-thaw
    and https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/edu/teach/activity/whats-causing-sea-level-rise-land-ice-vs-sea-ice/
    and https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/06/world/new-zealand-glaciers-melt-climate-intl/index.html
    and https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/glaciers-may-melt-even-faster-than-expected-study-finds/
    and
    https://earth.org/glacial-melting/
    and https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/why-nzs-melting-glaciers-likely-just-had-their-worst-summer-yet/6CZBAMIAOFDOFMWXM6WTAM6JVA/

    and for you in particular Tony: https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/climate-change-denialism-something-we-all-suffer
    https://www.rainforest-alliance.org/everyday-actions/6-claims-made-by-climate-change-skeptics-and-how-to-respond/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/07/us-hotbed-climate-change-denial-international-poll
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0176268020300963 https://www.exposedbycmd.org/2022/03/21/the-dirty-dozen-the-biggest-nonprofit-funders-of-climate-denial/



    Now we do not know if any other readers of nz.general have registered >>>>and are able to access the whole article, but it is possible someone >>>>may have a look and let us know whether the article is indeed
    available as you claim, or whether there is a registration
    requirement.
    There is no registration requirement click on the original link I posted and
    your tiny mind will light up like a dim bulb.
    You could try it - maybe Lwarence and you could have a cup of tea and a >>>little
    lie down before you try.

    You have once more failed to address the subject.
    You are a nasty little man.
    It is not clear what you are getting at here, Tony. You do appear to
    have been gullible in relation to the effects of climate change, and
    one of the articles you have posted has been withdrawn from the
    website; but you do now have an opportunity to catch up with a lot of
    relevant articles suggested for you above. Enjoy!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Feb 8 22:50:49 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 19:38:36 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 00:55:19 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 07 Feb 2024 08:00:34 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> >>>>>wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 23:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 19:53:17 GMT, Tony wrote:

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/article/un-says-melting-arctic-ice-is-a-
    key-indicator-of-climate-change-but-its-not-melting-5580038? >>>>>>>>utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoe&src_src=Aomorningbriefnoe&utm_campaign=Aomb-2024-02-06&src_cmp=Aomb-2024-02-06&utm_medium=Aoemail&cta_utm_source=Aomorningbriefnoecta&est=%2Bbf8a113zdA3oh7Ay22uGR6zDZpNEXykEE6vSc4oyDwEHvV2zX5htexQi1FbheNljvij
    What climate crisis?

    You paid for that??

    Guess who the gullible one is ...

    The initial post in this thread was started by Tony with the Subject: >>>>>>>"The truth is coming - slowly but inexorably", but it was behind a >>>>>>>paywall
    Bullshit - it is not behind a paywall, do you and Lawrence both have >>>>>>difficulty
    with using the internet.

    Therefore everything Rich posted is pointless and gone for now until he >>>>>>finds
    how to use a computer.

    Try, try, and try again - no paywall in sight.

    I do apologize Tony, the "paywall" may not require payment to gain >>>>>access - for quite a few of the propaganda far right websites
    It is not far right unless you are honest - and we know that is not the >>>>case.
    it is
    not your money they want but your email address so they can bombard >>>>>you with further propaganda. I have no wish to receive unsolicited >>>>>emails from such a site, so I did not progress with the registration >>>>>requirement - clearly you had,
    No I had not you moron, there is no such requirement - when do you stop >>>>lying,
    ever? I doubt it.
    but someone may have set your computer
    up so that registration once completed is automatically triggered once >>>>>you go to the site again.
    No such thing, nobody else does my computer work unlike you. They do not >>>>have
    my email address and your incompetence is really showing now.

    We will just have to wait and see if first anyone else bothered to try >>>and look at the link you gave, and then whether they were able to see >>>more than a few lines.
    What is your problem apart from dementia?
    You are astupid man. It is not behind a paywall. period.
    As you have obliquely pointed out, having to
    give an email address is a form of payment,
    I made no such comment and did not allude to that.
    so the word paywall was
    still appropriate.
    Bullshit.

    So I did try again, and it gave:
    "PAGE NOT FOUND
    It could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily >>>unavailable."
    Yes that happens.

    More abuse gone for now.
    Rich do continue to waste your time typing abuse, inaccurate bullshit and lies. It takes mere moments for me to remove it.

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