https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350169006/hybrid-owners-trying-remove-plugs-avoid-road-user-charges
There are some interesting figures in here.
Battery life going to 15km in a mere 11 years. Good job it is a hybrid. Just >about only ICE car would be able to chug along at that age and go for many >more km.
" Kevin Parker believes his 2013 plug-in hybrid Mitsubishi Outlander has halved
in value since the road user charges announcement." So we might have the >situation of of scrapping the car now rather than later. Once manufactured
a vehicle should be kept on the road as it has produced a great amount of
CO2 in it manufacture. Given that it gets a WOF and is fit for purpose.
However this article is really about the need for the Government to get some >logic into this Road user charges state of affairs. The Transport Minister, >Simeon Brown says it is on his to-do list but no date is given.
This really is not a good state of affairs, and the longer it goes on the >worsr it is going to get.
Logical, fair, and tranparent. I wonder if we can wish for all three?
On 5 Feb 2024 07:30:17 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350169006/hybrid-owners-trying-remove-plugs-avoid-road-user-chargesThat was the design of pure (ie non-plug-in) vehicles. The electric
There are some interesting figures in here.
Battery life going to 15km in a mere 11 years. Good job it is a hybrid. Just >>about only ICE car would be able to chug along at that age and go for many >>more km.
motor was only ever used for very low speed power (ie >parking/driveway/carpark) or to augment the output briefly of the ICE.
Pure conjecture. Personally I always thought hybrids were a waste of
" Kevin Parker believes his 2013 plug-in hybrid Mitsubishi Outlander has halved
in value since the road user charges announcement." So we might have the >>situation of of scrapping the car now rather than later. Once manufactured >>a vehicle should be kept on the road as it has produced a great amount of >>CO2 in it manufacture. Given that it gets a WOF and is fit for purpose.
time except for urban taxi drivers.
However this article is really about the need for the Government to get some >>logic into this Road user charges state of affairs. The Transport Minister, >>Simeon Brown says it is on his to-do list but no date is given.
This really is not a good state of affairs, and the longer it goes on the >>worsr it is going to get.
Logical, fair, and tranparent. I wonder if we can wish for all three?
This will evolve. Conversion of petrol-powered vehicles to the RUCs
system would eliminate the complexities of dual-taxing road use. RUCs
are the fairest way of collecting road tax, taxing petrol at source is
the least-avoidable form of taxation.
RUCs was originally the solution to ensuring heavy vehicles paid road
tax in proportion to loaded vehicle weight - a 40-ton truck did not
consume 30 times more fuel per km than a car.
The evolution to BEVs and PHEVs has simply exposed the weaknesses of
taxing fuel at source where the fuel used is not exclusively used in >vehicles.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350169006/hybrid-owners-trying-remove-plugs-avoid-road-user-charges
There are some interesting figures in here.
Battery life going to 15km in a mere 11 years. Good job it is a hybrid. Just >about only ICE car would be able to chug along at that age and go for many >more km.
" Kevin Parker believes his 2013 plug-in hybrid Mitsubishi Outlander has halved
in value since the road user charges announcement." So we might have the >situation of of scrapping the car now rather than later. Once manufactured
a vehicle should be kept on the road as it has produced a great amount of
CO2 in it manufacture. Given that it gets a WOF and is fit for purpose.
However this article is really about the need for the Government to get some >logic into this Road user charges state of affairs. The Transport Minister, >Simeon Brown says it is on his to-do list but no date is given.
This really is not a good state of affairs, and the longer it goes on the >worsr it is going to get.
Logical, fair, and tranparent. I wonder if we can wish for all three?
On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 08:19:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>What you see as clear is delusion or wishful thinking, it is not supported by any facts or reason.
wrote:
On 5 Feb 2024 07:30:17 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
That was the design of pure (ie non-plug-in) vehicles. The electrichttps://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350169006/hybrid-owners-trying-remove-plugs-avoid-road-user-charges
There are some interesting figures in here.
Battery life going to 15km in a mere 11 years. Good job it is a hybrid. Just >>>about only ICE car would be able to chug along at that age and go for many >>>more km.
motor was only ever used for very low speed power (ie >>parking/driveway/carpark) or to augment the output briefly of the ICE.
Pure conjecture. Personally I always thought hybrids were a waste of
" Kevin Parker believes his 2013 plug-in hybrid Mitsubishi Outlander has >>>halved
in value since the road user charges announcement." So we might have the >>>situation of of scrapping the car now rather than later. Once manufactured >>>a vehicle should be kept on the road as it has produced a great amount of >>>CO2 in it manufacture. Given that it gets a WOF and is fit for purpose.
time except for urban taxi drivers.
However this article is really about the need for the Government to get some >>>logic into this Road user charges state of affairs. The Transport Minister, >>>Simeon Brown says it is on his to-do list but no date is given.
This really is not a good state of affairs, and the longer it goes on the >>>worsr it is going to get.
Logical, fair, and tranparent. I wonder if we can wish for all three?
This will evolve. Conversion of petrol-powered vehicles to the RUCs
system would eliminate the complexities of dual-taxing road use. RUCs
are the fairest way of collecting road tax, taxing petrol at source is
the least-avoidable form of taxation.
RUCs was originally the solution to ensuring heavy vehicles paid road
tax in proportion to loaded vehicle weight - a 40-ton truck did not
consume 30 times more fuel per km than a car.
The evolution to BEVs and PHEVs has simply exposed the weaknesses of
taxing fuel at source where the fuel used is not exclusively used in >>vehicles.
The rates to apply from 1 April are clearly a rushed interim solution
- it will be interesting to see what if any advice Simion Brown
received before cabinet agreed to only two rates for all vehicles up
to 3 tons. I believe they would have been better waiting say 6 months
and basing the RUC for each vehicle by a formula based on assumed
weight (as weighed during Warrant inspection with nominal weight for
driver and cargo), emissions (if you pollute too much you pay), and
wheel configuration (normally four wheels, but allow for trailers.
What they have now is a subsidy for the Remuera Tractors and the heavy
utes, but is a disincentive for smaller hybrids in cities where we
need fewer large vehicles. This decision was clearly on the wrong
track - have we seen any decision on the right track yet?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 08:19:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:What you see as clear is delusion or wishful thinking, it is not supported by >any facts or reason.
On 5 Feb 2024 07:30:17 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
That was the design of pure (ie non-plug-in) vehicles. The electric >>>motor was only ever used for very low speed power (ie >>>parking/driveway/carpark) or to augment the output briefly of the ICE.https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350169006/hybrid-owners-trying-remove-plugs-avoid-road-user-charges
There are some interesting figures in here.
Battery life going to 15km in a mere 11 years. Good job it is a hybrid. Just
about only ICE car would be able to chug along at that age and go for many >>>>more km.
Pure conjecture. Personally I always thought hybrids were a waste of >>>time except for urban taxi drivers.
" Kevin Parker believes his 2013 plug-in hybrid Mitsubishi Outlander has >>>>halved
in value since the road user charges announcement." So we might have the >>>>situation of of scrapping the car now rather than later. Once manufactured >>>>a vehicle should be kept on the road as it has produced a great amount of >>>>CO2 in it manufacture. Given that it gets a WOF and is fit for purpose. >>>>
However this article is really about the need for the Government to get some
logic into this Road user charges state of affairs. The Transport Minister, >>>>Simeon Brown says it is on his to-do list but no date is given.
This really is not a good state of affairs, and the longer it goes on the >>>>worsr it is going to get.
Logical, fair, and tranparent. I wonder if we can wish for all three?
This will evolve. Conversion of petrol-powered vehicles to the RUCs >>>system would eliminate the complexities of dual-taxing road use. RUCs >>>are the fairest way of collecting road tax, taxing petrol at source is >>>the least-avoidable form of taxation.
RUCs was originally the solution to ensuring heavy vehicles paid road
tax in proportion to loaded vehicle weight - a 40-ton truck did not >>>consume 30 times more fuel per km than a car.
The evolution to BEVs and PHEVs has simply exposed the weaknesses of >>>taxing fuel at source where the fuel used is not exclusively used in >>>vehicles.
The rates to apply from 1 April are clearly a rushed interim solution
- it will be interesting to see what if any advice Simion Brown
received before cabinet agreed to only two rates for all vehicles up
to 3 tons. I believe they would have been better waiting say 6 months
and basing the RUC for each vehicle by a formula based on assumed
weight (as weighed during Warrant inspection with nominal weight for
driver and cargo), emissions (if you pollute too much you pay), and
wheel configuration (normally four wheels, but allow for trailers.
What they have now is a subsidy for the Remuera Tractors and the heavy >>utes, but is a disincentive for smaller hybrids in cities where we
need fewer large vehicles. This decision was clearly on the wrong
track - have we seen any decision on the right track yet?
Just rhetoric.
On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 22:48:10 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 08:19:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:What you see as clear is delusion or wishful thinking, it is not supported by >>any facts or reason.
On 5 Feb 2024 07:30:17 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
That was the design of pure (ie non-plug-in) vehicles. The electric >>>>motor was only ever used for very low speed power (ie >>>>parking/driveway/carpark) or to augment the output briefly of the ICE. >>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350169006/hybrid-owners-trying-remove-plugs-avoid-road-user-charges
There are some interesting figures in here.
Battery life going to 15km in a mere 11 years. Good job it is a hybrid. >>>>>Just
about only ICE car would be able to chug along at that age and go for many >>>>>more km.
" Kevin Parker believes his 2013 plug-in hybrid Mitsubishi Outlander has >>>>>halvedPure conjecture. Personally I always thought hybrids were a waste of >>>>time except for urban taxi drivers.
in value since the road user charges announcement." So we might have the >>>>>situation of of scrapping the car now rather than later. Once manufactured
a vehicle should be kept on the road as it has produced a great amount of >>>>>CO2 in it manufacture. Given that it gets a WOF and is fit for purpose. >>>>>
However this article is really about the need for the Government to get >>>>>some
logic into this Road user charges state of affairs. The Transport Minister,
Simeon Brown says it is on his to-do list but no date is given.
This really is not a good state of affairs, and the longer it goes on the >>>>>worsr it is going to get.
Logical, fair, and tranparent. I wonder if we can wish for all three?
This will evolve. Conversion of petrol-powered vehicles to the RUCs >>>>system would eliminate the complexities of dual-taxing road use. RUCs >>>>are the fairest way of collecting road tax, taxing petrol at source is >>>>the least-avoidable form of taxation.
RUCs was originally the solution to ensuring heavy vehicles paid road >>>>tax in proportion to loaded vehicle weight - a 40-ton truck did not >>>>consume 30 times more fuel per km than a car.
The evolution to BEVs and PHEVs has simply exposed the weaknesses of >>>>taxing fuel at source where the fuel used is not exclusively used in >>>>vehicles.
The rates to apply from 1 April are clearly a rushed interim solution
- it will be interesting to see what if any advice Simion Brown
received before cabinet agreed to only two rates for all vehicles up
to 3 tons. I believe they would have been better waiting say 6 months
and basing the RUC for each vehicle by a formula based on assumed
weight (as weighed during Warrant inspection with nominal weight for >>>driver and cargo), emissions (if you pollute too much you pay), and
wheel configuration (normally four wheels, but allow for trailers.
What they have now is a subsidy for the Remuera Tractors and the heavy >>>utes, but is a disincentive for smaller hybrids in cities where we
need fewer large vehicles. This decision was clearly on the wrong
track - have we seen any decision on the right track yet?
Just rhetoric.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 22:48:10 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Sarcasm removed. You are a pathetic piece of scum - you think you own this >newsgroup well have I got news for you?
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 08:19:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:What you see as clear is delusion or wishful thinking, it is not supported by
On 5 Feb 2024 07:30:17 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
That was the design of pure (ie non-plug-in) vehicles. The electric >>>>>motor was only ever used for very low speed power (ie >>>>>parking/driveway/carpark) or to augment the output briefly of the ICE. >>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350169006/hybrid-owners-trying-remove-plugs-avoid-road-user-charges
There are some interesting figures in here.
Battery life going to 15km in a mere 11 years. Good job it is a hybrid. >>>>>>Just
about only ICE car would be able to chug along at that age and go for many
more km.
" Kevin Parker believes his 2013 plug-in hybrid Mitsubishi Outlander has >>>>>>halvedPure conjecture. Personally I always thought hybrids were a waste of >>>>>time except for urban taxi drivers.
in value since the road user charges announcement." So we might have the >>>>>>situation of of scrapping the car now rather than later. Once manufactured
a vehicle should be kept on the road as it has produced a great amount of >>>>>>CO2 in it manufacture. Given that it gets a WOF and is fit for purpose. >>>>>>
However this article is really about the need for the Government to get >>>>>>someThis will evolve. Conversion of petrol-powered vehicles to the RUCs >>>>>system would eliminate the complexities of dual-taxing road use. RUCs >>>>>are the fairest way of collecting road tax, taxing petrol at source is >>>>>the least-avoidable form of taxation.
logic into this Road user charges state of affairs. The Transport Minister,
Simeon Brown says it is on his to-do list but no date is given.
This really is not a good state of affairs, and the longer it goes on the >>>>>>worsr it is going to get.
Logical, fair, and tranparent. I wonder if we can wish for all three? >>>>>
RUCs was originally the solution to ensuring heavy vehicles paid road >>>>>tax in proportion to loaded vehicle weight - a 40-ton truck did not >>>>>consume 30 times more fuel per km than a car.
The evolution to BEVs and PHEVs has simply exposed the weaknesses of >>>>>taxing fuel at source where the fuel used is not exclusively used in >>>>>vehicles.
The rates to apply from 1 April are clearly a rushed interim solution
- it will be interesting to see what if any advice Simion Brown >>>>received before cabinet agreed to only two rates for all vehicles up
to 3 tons. I believe they would have been better waiting say 6 months >>>>and basing the RUC for each vehicle by a formula based on assumed >>>>weight (as weighed during Warrant inspection with nominal weight for >>>>driver and cargo), emissions (if you pollute too much you pay), and >>>>wheel configuration (normally four wheels, but allow for trailers.
What they have now is a subsidy for the Remuera Tractors and the heavy >>>>utes, but is a disincentive for smaller hybrids in cities where we
need fewer large vehicles. This decision was clearly on the wrong >>>>track - have we seen any decision on the right track yet?
any facts or reason.
Just rhetoric.
Sarcasm from you is what we are used to but I for one will not tolerate it.
On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 05:43:25 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2024 22:48:10 GMT, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz>Sarcasm removed. You are a pathetic piece of scum - you think you own this >>newsgroup well have I got news for you?
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 06 Feb 2024 08:19:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:What you see as clear is delusion or wishful thinking, it is not supported >>>>by
On 5 Feb 2024 07:30:17 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
That was the design of pure (ie non-plug-in) vehicles. The electric >>>>>>motor was only ever used for very low speed power (ie >>>>>>parking/driveway/carpark) or to augment the output briefly of the ICE. >>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350169006/hybrid-owners-trying-remove-plugs-avoid-road-user-charges
There are some interesting figures in here.
Battery life going to 15km in a mere 11 years. Good job it is a hybrid. >>>>>>>Just
about only ICE car would be able to chug along at that age and go for >>>>>>>many
more km.
" Kevin Parker believes his 2013 plug-in hybrid Mitsubishi Outlander has >>>>>>>halvedPure conjecture. Personally I always thought hybrids were a waste of >>>>>>time except for urban taxi drivers.
in value since the road user charges announcement." So we might have the >>>>>>>situation of of scrapping the car now rather than later. Once >>>>>>>manufactured
a vehicle should be kept on the road as it has produced a great amount of
CO2 in it manufacture. Given that it gets a WOF and is fit for purpose. >>>>>>>
However this article is really about the need for the Government to get >>>>>>>someThis will evolve. Conversion of petrol-powered vehicles to the RUCs >>>>>>system would eliminate the complexities of dual-taxing road use. RUCs >>>>>>are the fairest way of collecting road tax, taxing petrol at source is >>>>>>the least-avoidable form of taxation.
logic into this Road user charges state of affairs. The Transport >>>>>>>Minister,
Simeon Brown says it is on his to-do list but no date is given.
This really is not a good state of affairs, and the longer it goes on the
worsr it is going to get.
Logical, fair, and tranparent. I wonder if we can wish for all three? >>>>>>
RUCs was originally the solution to ensuring heavy vehicles paid road >>>>>>tax in proportion to loaded vehicle weight - a 40-ton truck did not >>>>>>consume 30 times more fuel per km than a car.
The evolution to BEVs and PHEVs has simply exposed the weaknesses of >>>>>>taxing fuel at source where the fuel used is not exclusively used in >>>>>>vehicles.
The rates to apply from 1 April are clearly a rushed interim solution >>>>>- it will be interesting to see what if any advice Simion Brown >>>>>received before cabinet agreed to only two rates for all vehicles up >>>>>to 3 tons. I believe they would have been better waiting say 6 months >>>>>and basing the RUC for each vehicle by a formula based on assumed >>>>>weight (as weighed during Warrant inspection with nominal weight for >>>>>driver and cargo), emissions (if you pollute too much you pay), and >>>>>wheel configuration (normally four wheels, but allow for trailers. >>>>>What they have now is a subsidy for the Remuera Tractors and the heavy >>>>>utes, but is a disincentive for smaller hybrids in cities where we >>>>>need fewer large vehicles. This decision was clearly on the wrong >>>>>track - have we seen any decision on the right track yet?
any facts or reason.
Just rhetoric.
Sarcasm from you is what we are used to but I for one will not tolerate it.
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