So to get around this judgement, now the UK Government is passing a law >declaring that, contrary to the facts, Rwanda *is* in fact a safe place
for sending these illegal immigrants.
Mindless leftism like yours ...
You may have heard of the Rwanda Safety Bill that Rishi Sunaks
Government is currently trying to push through the UK Parliament.
The Court previously rejected their attempt to send unwanted illegal >immigrants to Rwanda, saying that it wasnt a safe place for such
vulnerable people.
On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 03:47:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
You may have heard of the Rwanda Safety Bill that Rishi Sunaks >>Government is currently trying to push through the UK Parliament.
The Court previously rejected their attempt to send unwanted illegal >>immigrants to Rwanda, saying that it wasnt a safe place for such >>vulnerable people.
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
Bill.
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 03:47:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
You may have heard of the Rwanda Safety Bill that Rishi Sunaks >>>Government is currently trying to push through the UK Parliament.
The Court previously rejected their attempt to send unwanted illegal >>>immigrants to Rwanda, saying that it wasnt a safe place for such >>>vulnerable people.
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
Bill.
I seem to remember a guy called Idi Amin solved the problem by
throwing out non Ugandans. He got away with it. The Poms should be
able to do the same.
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 09:02:54 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>Is that your preferred solution then? If so was that part of the last goverment's plans or are you looking forwards to the next Marxist government here?
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 03:47:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
You may have heard of the Rwanda Safety Bill that Rishi Sunaks >>>>Government is currently trying to push through the UK Parliament.
The Court previously rejected their attempt to send unwanted illegal >>>>immigrants to Rwanda, saying that it wasnt a safe place for such >>>>vulnerable people.
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
Bill.
I seem to remember a guy called Idi Amin solved the problem by
throwing out non Ugandans. He got away with it. The Poms should be
able to do the same.
Thankfully it is a problem that New Zealand's physical distance from
other countries makes it not a problem that we have experience of. We
have however seen an Australian solution - see: >https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/08/manus-island-and-nauru-previously-unseen-testimony-and-ai-imagery-reveal-unimaginable-part-of-australian-history
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manus_Regional_Processing_Centre
and >https://amnesty.org.nz/manus-island-australia-abandons-refugees-life-uncertainty-and-peril
Given the cost, I doubt that even this government would try and repeat
such a "solution", but I am surprised that a cheaper option has not
been suggested based on unfortunate firearm accidents, or a boat being
sadly lost after departing New Zealand with rejected illegal
immigrants on board . . .
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
I seem to remember a guy called Idi Amin solved the problem by throwing
out non Ugandans. He got away with it. The Poms should be able to do
the same.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 09:02:54 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>Is that your preferred solution then? If so was that part of the last >goverment's plans or are you looking forwards to the next Marxist government >here?
wrote:
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 03:47:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
You may have heard of the Rwanda Safety Bill that Rishi Sunaks >>>>>Government is currently trying to push through the UK Parliament.
The Court previously rejected their attempt to send unwanted illegal >>>>>immigrants to Rwanda, saying that it wasnt a safe place for such >>>>>vulnerable people.
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
Bill.
I seem to remember a guy called Idi Amin solved the problem by
throwing out non Ugandans. He got away with it. The Poms should be >>>able to do the same.
Thankfully it is a problem that New Zealand's physical distance from
other countries makes it not a problem that we have experience of. We
have however seen an Australian solution - see: >>https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/08/manus-island-and-nauru-previously-unseen-testimony-and-ai-imagery-reveal-unimaginable-part-of-australian-history
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manus_Regional_Processing_Centre
and >>https://amnesty.org.nz/manus-island-australia-abandons-refugees-life-uncertainty-and-peril
Given the cost, I doubt that even this government would try and repeat
such a "solution", but I am surprised that a cheaper option has not
been suggested based on unfortunate firearm accidents, or a boat being >>sadly lost after departing New Zealand with rejected illegal
immigrants on board . . .
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 00:12:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 09:02:54 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Is that your preferred solution then? If so was that part of the last >>goverment's plans or are you looking forwards to the next Marxist government >>here?
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 03:47:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
You may have heard of the Rwanda Safety Bill that Rishi Sunaks >>>>>>Government is currently trying to push through the UK Parliament.
The Court previously rejected their attempt to send unwanted illegal >>>>>>immigrants to Rwanda, saying that it wasnt a safe place for such >>>>>>vulnerable people.
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
Bill.
I seem to remember a guy called Idi Amin solved the problem by >>>>throwing out non Ugandans. He got away with it. The Poms should be >>>>able to do the same.
Thankfully it is a problem that New Zealand's physical distance from >>>other countries makes it not a problem that we have experience of. We >>>have however seen an Australian solution - see: >>>https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/08/manus-island-and-nauru-previously-unseen-testimony-and-ai-imagery-reveal-unimaginable-part-of-australian-history
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manus_Regional_Processing_Centre
and >>>https://amnesty.org.nz/manus-island-australia-abandons-refugees-life-uncertainty-and-peril
Given the cost, I doubt that even this government would try and repeat >>>such a "solution", but I am surprised that a cheaper option has not
been suggested based on unfortunate firearm accidents, or a boat being >>>sadly lost after departing New Zealand with rejected illegal
immigrants on board . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 00:12:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyRemoved stupid political rhetotic.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 09:02:54 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:Is that your preferred solution then? If so was that part of the last >>>goverment's plans or are you looking forwards to the next Marxist government >>>here?
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 03:47:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
You may have heard of the Rwanda Safety Bill that Rishi Sunaks >>>>>>>Government is currently trying to push through the UK Parliament. >>>>>>>
The Court previously rejected their attempt to send unwanted illegal >>>>>>>immigrants to Rwanda, saying that it wasnt a safe place for such >>>>>>>vulnerable people.
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
Bill.
I seem to remember a guy called Idi Amin solved the problem by >>>>>throwing out non Ugandans. He got away with it. The Poms should be >>>>>able to do the same.
Thankfully it is a problem that New Zealand's physical distance from >>>>other countries makes it not a problem that we have experience of. We >>>>have however seen an Australian solution - see: >>>>https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/08/manus-island-and-nauru-previously-unseen-testimony-and-ai-imagery-reveal-unimaginable-part-of-australian-history
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manus_Regional_Processing_Centre
and >>>>https://amnesty.org.nz/manus-island-australia-abandons-refugees-life-uncertainty-and-peril
Given the cost, I doubt that even this government would try and repeat >>>>such a "solution", but I am surprised that a cheaper option has not >>>>been suggested based on unfortunate firearm accidents, or a boat being >>>>sadly lost after departing New Zealand with rejected illegal
immigrants on board . . .
Clearly Rich prefers to kill immigrants.
Shame on him.
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 03:26:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 00:12:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyRemoved stupid political rhetotic.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 09:02:54 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:Is that your preferred solution then? If so was that part of the last >>>>goverment's plans or are you looking forwards to the next Marxist >>>>government
BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 03:47:00 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
You may have heard of the Rwanda Safety Bill that Rishi Sunaks >>>>>>>>Government is currently trying to push through the UK Parliament. >>>>>>>>
The Court previously rejected their attempt to send unwanted illegal >>>>>>>>immigrants to Rwanda, saying that it wasnt a safe place for such >>>>>>>>vulnerable people.
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
Bill.
I seem to remember a guy called Idi Amin solved the problem by >>>>>>throwing out non Ugandans. He got away with it. The Poms should be >>>>>>able to do the same.
Thankfully it is a problem that New Zealand's physical distance from >>>>>other countries makes it not a problem that we have experience of. We >>>>>have however seen an Australian solution - see: >>>>>https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/apr/08/manus-island-and-nauru-previously-unseen-testimony-and-ai-imagery-reveal-unimaginable-part-of-australian-history
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manus_Regional_Processing_Centre
and >>>>>https://amnesty.org.nz/manus-island-australia-abandons-refugees-life-uncertainty-and-peril
Given the cost, I doubt that even this government would try and repeat >>>>>such a "solution", but I am surprised that a cheaper option has not >>>>>been suggested based on unfortunate firearm accidents, or a boat being >>>>>sadly lost after departing New Zealand with rejected illegal >>>>>immigrants on board . . .
here?
Clearly Rich prefers to kill immigrants.
Shame on him.
So now you believe you can avoid facts by deleting them from posts,No not at all - you simply do not understand why I do that, and you never will. But it works.
Tony.
I do feel sorry for you; I raised concerns over the UK rightYou advocated drowning them.
wing government's actions, and showed that the UK government contempt
for the safety of caught attempting to become illegal immigrants is a >consistent attitude from the left - with examples of deaths from
Australia sending such people to a place that, while not Rwanda, was
such that quite a few died before Australia had to act even slightly >humanely. An escalation to using blunt force to get rid of a problem
is typical of the escalation of hitting out that is typical of the
far-right; I contrasted that sort of lack of humanity with the
response from the then NZ government of offering to give some of those
sent to Manu Island by Australia admission to New Zealand - clearly I,
and that government, believe we should help people rather than harm
them.
I have not advocated immigrants, illegal or otherwise
- we have enough of thatWell that is what you said - you seem to believe it is appropriate to drown them - why do you say such appalling things?
from Australia and now possibly the UK.
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 04:56:56 +1300, BR wrote:
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
Fine. If your position is so Rwanda is a dangerous place, fuck the
refugees, they dont deserve to be treated as human beings,
just come out and say so.
Dont try to pretend that Rwanda is a perfectly safe place,
were honestly doing the best we can for them, theyll be fine, pinky- >swear.
And dont try to pass a law saying no judge is allowed to take
issue with that.
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 00:05:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 04:56:56 +1300, BR wrote:
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
Fine. If your position is “so Rwanda is a dangerous place, fuck the
refugees, they don’t deserve to be treated as human beings”, just come >> out and say so. Don’t try to pretend that “Rwanda is a perfectly safe
place, we’re honestly doing the best we can for them, they’ll be fine, >> pinky- swear”. And don’t try to pass a law saying no judge is allowed
to take issue with that.
How does anybody get to deserve anything? Is Rawanda a dangerous place
or not, and who gets to decide? Some court?
Illegal aliens have no business being in Britain.
Would you want them in your house freeloading off you?
Nowhere is a perfectly safe place.
The UK government's ONLY duty is to the UK citizens who they were
elected to represent and who pay their salaries.
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:54:36 +1300, BR wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 00:05:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 04:56:56 +1300, BR wrote:
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
Fine. If your position is so Rwanda is a dangerous place, fuck the
refugees, they dont deserve to be treated as human beings, just come
out and say so. Dont try to pretend that Rwanda is a perfectly safe
place, were honestly doing the best we can for them, theyll be fine,
pinky- swear. And dont try to pass a law saying no judge is allowed
to take issue with that.
How does anybody get to deserve anything? Is Rawanda a dangerous place
or not, and who gets to decide? Some court?
That is their job, yes, and based on the facts put before them, they have
so decided.
Can you make up alternative facts, just because you want them to decide >something different?
Illegal aliens have no business being in Britain.
Would you want them in your house freeloading off you?
Give them a job, so they can work for an income, then they would no longer
be freeloading, would they?
And they can pay taxes on that income, and
help reduce the tax burden on fine, upstanding citizens like yourself. Who >would not want that? Because Im sure even your tax generosity has limits.
Nowhere is a perfectly safe place.
Do you know what a strawman is?
The UK government's ONLY duty is to the UK citizens who they were
elected to represent and who pay their salaries.
Note that it isnt only citizens who pay taxes. Others are contributing to >their salaries, too.
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 02:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:54:36 +1300, BR wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 00:05:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 04:56:56 +1300, BR wrote:
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
Fine. If your position is so Rwanda is a dangerous place, fuck the
refugees, they dont deserve to be treated as human beings, just come >>>> out and say so. Dont try to pretend that Rwanda is a perfectly safe
place, were honestly doing the best we can for them, theyll be fine, >>>> pinky- swear. And dont try to pass a law saying no judge is allowed
to take issue with that.
How does anybody get to deserve anything? Is Rawanda a dangerous place
or not, and who gets to decide? Some court?
That is their job, yes, and based on the facts put before them, they have >>so decided.
Can you make up alternative facts, just because you want them to decide >>something different?
Why the hell are the courts even involved in all this politics? If
someone has committed a crime, the court's job is to determine their >innocence or guilt. Illegal aliens are guilty of breaking the law just
by being in the country; bang to rights. Sheriff Joe Arpaio had the
right idea. Put them in a cage in pink underpants for six months then
launch them back across the border.
Illegal aliens have no business being in Britain.
Would you want them in your house freeloading off you?
Give them a job, so they can work for an income, then they would no longer >>be freeloading, would they?
How about you give them a job? If you are not even prepared to
billet some of them at your own house and at your own expense, you are
a hypocrite.
Maybe there should be no border controls at all. Anyone can enter
enter the UK or any other democratic country with no restrictions or >conditions. Would you vote for that?
And they can pay taxes on that income, and
help reduce the tax burden on fine, upstanding citizens like yourself. Who >>would not want that? Because Im sure even your tax generosity has limits.
You are living in a dream world. How much demand do you think there is
for people with no skills and who don't speak English?
Nowhere is a perfectly safe place.
Do you know what a strawman is?
The UK government's ONLY duty is to the UK citizens who they were
elected to represent and who pay their salaries.
Note that it isnt only citizens who pay taxes. Others are contributing to >>their salaries, too.
You won't get any argument from me about that. Bribery I call it. Some >politicians take kickbacks from special interest groups, including
people who wish to see the demise of the West. Flooding a country with >hostile illegal aliens is one of many ways that the destruction of the >Western alliance can be hastened. It would appear that you are in
fullsupport of this.
Bill.
On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 21:10:27 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 02:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 17:54:36 +1300, BR wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 00:05:05 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 04:56:56 +1300, BR wrote:
All illegal immigrants are unwanted.
Entering a country illegally is a crime.
Illegal aliens are owed nothing and should be deported.
Fine. If your position is so Rwanda is a dangerous place, fuck the
refugees, they dont deserve to be treated as human beings, just come >>>>> out and say so. Dont try to pretend that Rwanda is a perfectly safe >>>>> place, were honestly doing the best we can for them, theyll be fine, >>>>> pinky- swear. And dont try to pass a law saying no judge is allowed >>>>> to take issue with that.
How does anybody get to deserve anything? Is Rawanda a dangerous place >>>> or not, and who gets to decide? Some court?
That is their job, yes, and based on the facts put before them, they have >>>so decided.
Can you make up alternative facts, just because you want them to decide >>>something different?
Why the hell are the courts even involved in all this politics? If
someone has committed a crime, the court's job is to determine their >>innocence or guilt. Illegal aliens are guilty of breaking the law just
by being in the country; bang to rights. Sheriff Joe Arpaio had the
right idea. Put them in a cage in pink underpants for six months then >>launch them back across the border.
Illegal aliens have no business being in Britain.
Would you want them in your house freeloading off you?
Give them a job, so they can work for an income, then they would no longer >>>be freeloading, would they?
How about you give them a job? If you are not even prepared to
billet some of them at your own house and at your own expense, you are
a hypocrite.
Maybe there should be no border controls at all. Anyone can enter
enter the UK or any other democratic country with no restrictions or >>conditions. Would you vote for that?
And they can pay taxes on that income, andYou are living in a dream world. How much demand do you think there is
help reduce the tax burden on fine, upstanding citizens like yourself. Who >>>would not want that? Because Im sure even your tax generosity has limits. >>
for people with no skills and who don't speak English?
Nowhere is a perfectly safe place.
Do you know what a strawman is?
The UK government's ONLY duty is to the UK citizens who they were
elected to represent and who pay their salaries.
Note that it isnt only citizens who pay taxes. Others are contributing to >>>their salaries, too.
You won't get any argument from me about that. Bribery I call it. Some >>politicians take kickbacks from special interest groups, including
people who wish to see the demise of the West. Flooding a country with >>hostile illegal aliens is one of many ways that the destruction of the >>Western alliance can be hastened. It would appear that you are in >>fullsupport of this.
Bill.
The police and the courts need to obey all relevant law, and that
covers what they do when illegal immigrants are discovered, what
processes decide on actions then taken, and whether those actions are >themselves legal and comply with commitments under international
agreements.
I doubt if the UK were sending illegal immigrants to Rwanda with the
aim of hastening he destruction of the Western alliance
- their
conservative government just want the problem to go away; a bit like
when Australia sent illegal immigrants to places like Manus Island . .
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