https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/nz-news/350155276/hamilton-mp-astounded-number-vacant-kainga-ora-homes-revealed
Last year 1698 people looking for emergency accomodation and 147 Kainga Ora >houses empty.
Likes say 4 people per house, so approx 600 could be accomodated from the >1698 people in need, 1/3 of the demand. A good start.
Why can Kainga Ora not keep the houses full? Not rocket science.
On 24 Jan 2024 20:36:06 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate deception by you.
https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/nz-news/350155276/hamilton-mp-astounded-number-vacant-kainga-ora-homes-revealed
Last year 1698 people looking for emergency accomodation and 147 Kainga Ora >>houses empty.
Likes say 4 people per house, so approx 600 could be accomodated from the >>1698 people in need, 1/3 of the demand. A good start.
Why can Kainga Ora not keep the houses full? Not rocket science.
Kainga Ora are one of the largest "landlords" in New Zealand, but
unlike other landlords, we can get statistics from them about
vacancies.
First they, like other landlords, are having to upgrade many dwellings
(flats as well as houses) to meet current standards. Unlike some other >landlords they are progressing this assiduously, bringing as many
through that process as possible when tenancies are vacated. I
understand the process usually takes from one to three weeks, and may
range from simple repairs to a fuller strip out and upgrade for
insulation, better kitchen and bathrooms etc. In other cases, existing >dwellings are being demolished and new denser housing built - and
while that happens the previous dwelling may still count as a vacancy.
See: >https://kaingaora.govt.nz/en_NZ/news/public-housing-renovations-at-record-levels/
Then there is the normal gap between tenants when cleaning and repairs
are often needed, but also because Kainga Ora will have some places
where people on the list do not want to live, because of transport >difficulties in getting to work, or because of not wanting to live
next to particular tenants - who may be just under the level of
aggravation to neighbors that can get them kicked out . . .
Kainga Ora came under quite a lot of pressure for the number of their
houses that did not meet standards, but of course there were no
statistics for private landlords. The previous government were accused >(possibly correctly) for going easy on prosecutions for unsafe rented >accommodation because they did not want to prosecute Kainga Ora. It
will be interesting to see what happens about complaints about private
rental property once the Kainga Ora programme is completed.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Jan 2024 20:36:06 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate deception by
https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/nz-news/350155276/hamilton-mp-astounded-number-vacant-kainga-ora-homes-revealed
Last year 1698 people looking for emergency accomodation and 147 Kainga Ora >>>houses empty.
Likes say 4 people per house, so approx 600 could be accomodated from the >>>1698 people in need, 1/3 of the demand. A good start.
Why can Kainga Ora not keep the houses full? Not rocket science.
Kainga Ora are one of the largest "landlords" in New Zealand, but
unlike other landlords, we can get statistics from them about
vacancies.
First they, like other landlords, are having to upgrade many dwellings >>(flats as well as houses) to meet current standards. Unlike some other >>landlords they are progressing this assiduously, bringing as many
through that process as possible when tenancies are vacated. I
understand the process usually takes from one to three weeks, and may
range from simple repairs to a fuller strip out and upgrade for
insulation, better kitchen and bathrooms etc. In other cases, existing >>dwellings are being demolished and new denser housing built - and
while that happens the previous dwelling may still count as a vacancy.
See: >>https://kaingaora.govt.nz/en_NZ/news/public-housing-renovations-at-record-levels/
Then there is the normal gap between tenants when cleaning and repairs
are often needed, but also because Kainga Ora will have some places
where people on the list do not want to live, because of transport >>difficulties in getting to work, or because of not wanting to live
next to particular tenants - who may be just under the level of
aggravation to neighbors that can get them kicked out . . .
Kainga Ora came under quite a lot of pressure for the number of their >>houses that did not meet standards, but of course there were no
statistics for private landlords. The previous government were accused >>(possibly correctly) for going easy on prosecutions for unsafe rented >>accommodation because they did not want to prosecute Kainga Ora. It
will be interesting to see what happens about complaints about private >>rental property once the Kainga Ora programme is completed.
you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing, Kainga Ora >does. Do stop your poltical crap.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou twit - I referred directly to your comments - therefore on topic.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 24 Jan 2024 20:36:06 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate deception >>by
https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/nz-news/350155276/hamilton-mp-astounded-number-vacant-kainga-ora-homes-revealed
Last year 1698 people looking for emergency accomodation and 147 Kainga Ora >>>>houses empty.
Likes say 4 people per house, so approx 600 could be accomodated from the >>>>1698 people in need, 1/3 of the demand. A good start.
Why can Kainga Ora not keep the houses full? Not rocket science.
Kainga Ora are one of the largest "landlords" in New Zealand, but
unlike other landlords, we can get statistics from them about
vacancies.
First they, like other landlords, are having to upgrade many dwellings >>>(flats as well as houses) to meet current standards. Unlike some other >>>landlords they are progressing this assiduously, bringing as many
through that process as possible when tenancies are vacated. I
understand the process usually takes from one to three weeks, and may >>>range from simple repairs to a fuller strip out and upgrade for >>>insulation, better kitchen and bathrooms etc. In other cases, existing >>>dwellings are being demolished and new denser housing built - and
while that happens the previous dwelling may still count as a vacancy. >>>See: >>>https://kaingaora.govt.nz/en_NZ/news/public-housing-renovations-at-record-levels/
Then there is the normal gap between tenants when cleaning and repairs >>>are often needed, but also because Kainga Ora will have some places
where people on the list do not want to live, because of transport >>>difficulties in getting to work, or because of not wanting to live
next to particular tenants - who may be just under the level of >>>aggravation to neighbors that can get them kicked out . . .
Kainga Ora came under quite a lot of pressure for the number of their >>>houses that did not meet standards, but of course there were no >>>statistics for private landlords. The previous government were accused >>>(possibly correctly) for going easy on prosecutions for unsafe rented >>>accommodation because they did not want to prosecute Kainga Ora. It
will be interesting to see what happens about complaints about private >>>rental property once the Kainga Ora programme is completed.
you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing, Kainga >>Ora
does. Do stop your poltical crap.
You are off topic, Tony; I was responding to a query as to why
'vacant' houses owned by Kainga Ora may not be able to be immediately
used. Do catch up. And yes private landlords are required to meet
minimum standards for the condition of rental properties that are
required of Kainga Ora. Do you believe there should be different
standards for different suppliers?
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate
deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing,
Kainga Ora does.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:So what? Are you opposed to private landlords? If not what is your point?
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate
deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing,
Kainga Ora does.
Precisely the point. Kāinga Ora are the ambulance at the bottom of the >cliff--the landlord of last resort. Their mission is to serve the tenants >that no private landlord in their right (i.e. “capitalist”) mind would >want to take. That imposes its own particular set of challenges, that no >private business (i.e. no normal player in the market of “supply and >demand”) has to face.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:11:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Doesn't let Kainga Ora off the hook - they own this they need to fix it. Simple.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate
deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing,
Kainga Ora does.
Precisely the point. K?inga Ora are the ambulance at the bottom of the >>cliff--the landlord of last resort. Their mission is to serve the tenants >>that no private landlord in their right (i.e. capitalist) mind would
want to take. That imposes its own particular set of challenges, that no >>private business (i.e. no normal player in the market of supply and >>demand) has to face.
The requirements to meet minimum standards for rented accommodation
are identical for all rental properties. Rules may need revision for
short term accommodation in emergencies - Covid prompted the use of
motels, and flooding / storms in Auckland and other places required >significant emergency housing. Recent incidents relating to boarding
houses indicate that multi-occupancy establishments may need more
specific rules relating to fire prevention and minimum standards for
egress in emergencies.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate
deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing,
Kainga Ora does.
Precisely the point. K?inga Ora are the ambulance at the bottom of the >cliff--the landlord of last resort. Their mission is to serve the tenants >that no private landlord in their right (i.e. capitalist) mind would
want to take. That imposes its own particular set of challenges, that no >private business (i.e. no normal player in the market of supply and
demand) has to face.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:11:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Doesn't let Kainga Ora off the hook - they own this they need to fix it. Simple.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate
deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing,
Kainga Ora does.
Precisely the point. K?inga Ora are the ambulance at the bottom of the >>>cliff--the landlord of last resort. Their mission is to serve the tenants >>>that no private landlord in their right (i.e. capitalist) mind would >>>want to take. That imposes its own particular set of challenges, that no >>>private business (i.e. no normal player in the market of supply and >>>demand) has to face.
The requirements to meet minimum standards for rented accommodation
are identical for all rental properties. Rules may need revision for
short term accommodation in emergencies - Covid prompted the use of
motels, and flooding / storms in Auckland and other places required >>significant emergency housing. Recent incidents relating to boarding
houses indicate that multi-occupancy establishments may need more
specific rules relating to fire prevention and minimum standards for
egress in emergencies.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:57:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbuse removed.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:11:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Doesn't let Kainga Ora off the hook - they own this they need to fix it. >>Simple.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate
deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing,
Kainga Ora does.
Precisely the point. K?inga Ora are the ambulance at the bottom of the >>>>cliff--the landlord of last resort. Their mission is to serve the tenants >>>>that no private landlord in their right (i.e. capitalist) mind would >>>>want to take. That imposes its own particular set of challenges, that no >>>>private business (i.e. no normal player in the market of supply and >>>>demand) has to face.
The requirements to meet minimum standards for rented accommodation
are identical for all rental properties. Rules may need revision for >>>short term accommodation in emergencies - Covid prompted the use of >>>motels, and flooding / storms in Auckland and other places required >>>significant emergency housing. Recent incidents relating to boarding >>>houses indicate that multi-occupancy establishments may need more >>>specific rules relating to fire prevention and minimum standards for >>>egress in emergencies.
They are however required to work within a budget approved by
Parliament, and to meet property standards set by Parliament .It did
not help that a large number of properties were sold by a previous >National-led Government, or successive governments had allowed the
condition of houses to deteriorate but Parliament more recently
required all rental property to be brought up to new minimum standards
for better health and safety of residents. The current government has
not said that they will change those standards. The previous
government funded a major programme to improve standards, and also
built a large number of new houses for Kainga Ora - it remains to be
seen whether the current government will again sell some off for other >priorities
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate
deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing,
Kainga Ora does.
Precisely the point. Kāinga Ora are the ambulance at the bottom of the >>cliff--the landlord of last resort. Their mission is to serve the
tenants that no private landlord in their right (i.e. “capitalist”) mind >>would want to take. That imposes its own particular set of challenges,
that no private business (i.e. no normal player in the market of “supply >>and demand”) has to face.
So what? Are you opposed to private landlords? If not what is your
point?
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Nope - that is idiotic, caring for other folk is not exclusive to lefties.
[Kāinga Ora] have consistently for at least a decade failed to do
their job ...
The very fact that you admit their need to exist and do such a job also
makes you a lefty.
[Kāinga Ora] have consistently for at least a decade failed to do
their job ...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
[Kāinga Ora] have consistently for at least a decade failed to do
their job ...
The very fact that you admit their need to exist and do such a job also >>makes you a lefty.
Nope - that is idiotic, caring for other folk is not exclusive to
lefties.
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 02:00:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Again, faulty logic.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
[Kāinga Ora] have consistently for at least a decade failed to do
their job ...
The very fact that you admit their need to exist and do such a job also >>>makes you a lefty.
Nope - that is idiotic, caring for other folk is not exclusive to
lefties.
Having the Government do it is.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 02:00:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
[Kāinga Ora] have consistently for at least a decade failed to do
their job ...
The very fact that you admit their need to exist and do such a job
also makes you a lefty.
Nope - that is idiotic, caring for other folk is not exclusive to
lefties.
Having the Government do it is.
Again, faulty logic.
Some of us help our communities without government assistance ...
... and some
of us pay (through taxes) for the government to help people. That
happens in every civilised country on earth ...
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Abuse removed
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:57:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbuse removed.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:11:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Doesn't let Kainga Ora off the hook - they own this they need to fix it. >>>Simple.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate >>>>>> deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing, >>>>>> Kainga Ora does.
Precisely the point. K?inga Ora are the ambulance at the bottom of the >>>>>cliff--the landlord of last resort. Their mission is to serve the tenants >>>>>that no private landlord in their right (i.e. capitalist) mind would >>>>>want to take. That imposes its own particular set of challenges, that no >>>>>private business (i.e. no normal player in the market of supply and >>>>>demand) has to face.
The requirements to meet minimum standards for rented accommodation
are identical for all rental properties. Rules may need revision for >>>>short term accommodation in emergencies - Covid prompted the use of >>>>motels, and flooding / storms in Auckland and other places required >>>>significant emergency housing. Recent incidents relating to boarding >>>>houses indicate that multi-occupancy establishments may need more >>>>specific rules relating to fire prevention and minimum standards for >>>>egress in emergencies.
They are however required to work within a budget approved by
Parliament, and to meet property standards set by Parliament .It did
not help that a large number of properties were sold by a previous >>National-led Government, or successive governments had allowed the >>condition of houses to deteriorate but Parliament more recently
required all rental property to be brought up to new minimum standards
for better health and safety of residents. The current government has
not said that they will change those standards. The previous
government funded a major programme to improve standards, and also
built a large number of new houses for Kainga Ora - it remains to be
seen whether the current government will again sell some off for other >>priorities
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 03:41:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:My response was concerning caring for folk, not specifically housing and followed context in that regard.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 02:00:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
[Kāinga Ora] have consistently for at least a decade failed to do >>>>>> their job ...
The very fact that you admit their need to exist and do such a job >>>>>also makes you a lefty.
Nope - that is idiotic, caring for other folk is not exclusive to
lefties.
Having the Government do it is.
Again, faulty logic.
Some of us help our communities without government assistance ...
But, very rarely, going as far as providing houses for them.
There is a lot of assistance to poor folk there, not as much as needed of course but it happens and that was my point.... and some
of us pay (through taxes) for the government to help people. That
happens in every civilised country on earth ...
One might wonder how to classify the USA ...
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo abuse, just accurate commentary and a question, see this -
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Abuse removed
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:57:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbuse removed.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:11:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Doesn't let Kainga Ora off the hook - they own this they need to fix it. >>>>Simple.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate >>>>>>> deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing, >>>>>>> Kainga Ora does.
Precisely the point. K?inga Ora are the ambulance at the bottom of the >>>>>>cliff--the landlord of last resort. Their mission is to serve the tenants >>>>>>that no private landlord in their right (i.e. capitalist) mind would >>>>>>want to take. That imposes its own particular set of challenges, that no >>>>>>private business (i.e. no normal player in the market of supply and >>>>>>demand) has to face.
The requirements to meet minimum standards for rented accommodation >>>>>are identical for all rental properties. Rules may need revision for >>>>>short term accommodation in emergencies - Covid prompted the use of >>>>>motels, and flooding / storms in Auckland and other places required >>>>>significant emergency housing. Recent incidents relating to boarding >>>>>houses indicate that multi-occupancy establishments may need more >>>>>specific rules relating to fire prevention and minimum standards for >>>>>egress in emergencies.
They are however required to work within a budget approved by
Parliament, and to meet property standards set by Parliament .It did
not help that a large number of properties were sold by a previous >>>National-led Government, or successive governments had allowed the >>>condition of houses to deteriorate but Parliament more recently
required all rental property to be brought up to new minimum standards >>>for better health and safety of residents. The current government has
not said that they will change those standards. The previous
government funded a major programme to improve standards, and also
built a large number of new houses for Kainga Ora - it remains to be
seen whether the current government will again sell some off for other >>>priorities
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:As you will recall the whole subject of the thread was provision of
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 03:41:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:My response was concerning caring for folk, not specifically housing and >followed context in that regard.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 02:00:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
[K?inga Ora] have consistently for at least a decade failed to do >>>>>>> their job ...
The very fact that you admit their need to exist and do such a job >>>>>>also makes you a lefty.
Nope - that is idiotic, caring for other folk is not exclusive to
lefties.
Having the Government do it is.
Again, faulty logic.
Some of us help our communities without government assistance ...
But, very rarely, going as far as providing houses for them.
There is a lot of assistance to poor folk there, not as much as needed of >course but it happens and that was my point.
... and some
of us pay (through taxes) for the government to help people. That
happens in every civilised country on earth ...
One might wonder how to classify the USA ...
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 05:48:14 -0000 (UTC), TonyAnd who was in power for the rest of the decade?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:As you will recall the whole subject of the thread was provision of
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 03:41:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:My response was concerning caring for folk, not specifically housing and >>followed context in that regard.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 02:00:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
[K?inga Ora] have consistently for at least a decade failed to do >>>>>>>> their job ...
The very fact that you admit their need to exist and do such a job >>>>>>>also makes you a lefty.
Nope - that is idiotic, caring for other folk is not exclusive to
lefties.
Having the Government do it is.
Again, faulty logic.
Some of us help our communities without government assistance ...
But, very rarely, going as far as providing houses for them.
good standard social and emergency housing by Kainga Ora - to you that
may be better understood as Community and Housing
There is a lot of assistance to poor folk there, not as much as needed of >>course but it happens and that was my point.
... and some
of us pay (through taxes) for the government to help people. That
happens in every civilised country on earth ...
One might wonder how to classify the USA ...
And as for New Zealand, you said above:
"[K?inga Ora] have consistently for at least a decade failed to do
their job ..."
The first three years of that decade were of course the last years of
the Key / English Governments
, who ended their term have reduced the
number of state houses through selling them off. Since then, the
Ardern / Hipkins governments funded a large programme of building and >renovating state houses. You have identified that there is still
further demand - it is good to know that you regard adequate social
housing as a high priority for government funding . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo abuse, just accurate commentary and a question, see this -
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Abuse removed
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:57:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Abuse removed.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:11:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Doesn't let Kainga Ora off the hook - they own this they need to fix it. >>>>>Simple.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate >>>>>>>> deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing, >>>>>>>> Kainga Ora does.
Precisely the point. K?inga Ora are the ambulance at the bottom of the >>>>>>>cliff--the landlord of last resort. Their mission is to serve the tenants
that no private landlord in their right (i.e. capitalist) mind would >>>>>>>want to take. That imposes its own particular set of challenges, that no >>>>>>>private business (i.e. no normal player in the market of supply and >>>>>>>demand) has to face.
The requirements to meet minimum standards for rented accommodation >>>>>>are identical for all rental properties. Rules may need revision for >>>>>>short term accommodation in emergencies - Covid prompted the use of >>>>>>motels, and flooding / storms in Auckland and other places required >>>>>>significant emergency housing. Recent incidents relating to boarding >>>>>>houses indicate that multi-occupancy establishments may need more >>>>>>specific rules relating to fire prevention and minimum standards for >>>>>>egress in emergencies.
They are however required to work within a budget approved by >>>>Parliament, and to meet property standards set by Parliament .It did >>>>not help that a large number of properties were sold by a previous >>>>National-led Government, or successive governments had allowed the >>>>condition of houses to deteriorate but Parliament more recently >>>>required all rental property to be brought up to new minimum standards >>>>for better health and safety of residents. The current government has >>>>not said that they will change those standards. The previous
government funded a major programme to improve standards, and also >>>>built a large number of new houses for Kainga Ora - it remains to be >>>>seen whether the current government will again sell some off for other >>>>priorities
Irrelevant - they have consistently for at least a decade failed to do their >job - you can do your usual shit by making this political but I am concerned >about the people who need urgent housing - perhaps you could address that >instead of bleating about imaginary wrongs of previous governments.
Or don't you care about these poor folk? I bet you have a nice warm house!
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 05:49:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyToo late for those in emergency need.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo abuse, just accurate commentary and a question, see this -
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Abuse removed
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:57:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Abuse removed.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:11:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Doesn't let Kainga Ora off the hook - they own this they need to fix it. >>>>>>Simple.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate >>>>>>>>> deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing, >>>>>>>>> Kainga Ora does.
Precisely the point. K?inga Ora are the ambulance at the bottom of the >>>>>>>>cliff--the landlord of last resort. Their mission is to serve the >>>>>>>>tenants
that no private landlord in their right (i.e. capitalist) mind would >>>>>>>>want to take. That imposes its own particular set of challenges, that >>>>>>>>no
private business (i.e. no normal player in the market of supply and >>>>>>>>demand) has to face.
The requirements to meet minimum standards for rented accommodation >>>>>>>are identical for all rental properties. Rules may need revision for >>>>>>>short term accommodation in emergencies - Covid prompted the use of >>>>>>>motels, and flooding / storms in Auckland and other places required >>>>>>>significant emergency housing. Recent incidents relating to boarding >>>>>>>houses indicate that multi-occupancy establishments may need more >>>>>>>specific rules relating to fire prevention and minimum standards for >>>>>>>egress in emergencies.
They are however required to work within a budget approved by >>>>>Parliament, and to meet property standards set by Parliament .It did >>>>>not help that a large number of properties were sold by a previous >>>>>National-led Government, or successive governments had allowed the >>>>>condition of houses to deteriorate but Parliament more recently >>>>>required all rental property to be brought up to new minimum standards >>>>>for better health and safety of residents. The current government has >>>>>not said that they will change those standards. The previous >>>>>government funded a major programme to improve standards, and also >>>>>built a large number of new houses for Kainga Ora - it remains to be >>>>>seen whether the current government will again sell some off for other >>>>>priorities
Irrelevant - they have consistently for at least a decade failed to do their >>job - you can do your usual shit by making this political but I am concerned >>about the people who need urgent housing - perhaps you could address that >>instead of bleating about imaginary wrongs of previous governments.
Or don't you care about these poor folk? I bet you have a nice warm house!
Whether I have a nice warm house is irrelevant, and yes I do care
about poor folk who cannot find somewhere to live. I am glad that you
are concerned that they do get suitable housing, and I share your hope
that Kainga Ora continues to be funded to do their job. See >https://kaingaora.govt.nz/en_NZ/news/public-housing-renovations-at-record-levels/
for a summary of the good work that has been happening.
That will therefore be a good test of the new Government - and theYou are unable to refrain from political rhetoric - obviously you don't actually give a damn about the people only about politics. Your concern for the poor folk affected is a sham and completely false. Shame on you.
relevant Minister Chris Bishop - see: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Housing_(New_Zealand)
Do you have confidence that Chris Bishop can persuade cabinet to
adequately fund this portfolio to continue the good work of Kainga
Ora?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 05:49:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyToo late for those in emergency need.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Whether I have a nice warm house is irrelevant, and yes I do care
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No abuse, just accurate commentary and a question, see this -
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Abuse removed
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:57:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Abuse removed.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:11:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Doesn't let Kainga Ora off the hook - they own this they need to fix it. >>>>>>>Simple.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate >>>>>>>>>> deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing, >>>>>>>>>> Kainga Ora does.
Precisely the point. K?inga Ora are the ambulance at the bottom of the >>>>>>>>>cliff--the landlord of last resort. Their mission is to serve the >>>>>>>>>tenants
that no private landlord in their right (i.e. capitalist) mind would >>>>>>>>>want to take. That imposes its own particular set of challenges, that >>>>>>>>>no
private business (i.e. no normal player in the market of supply and >>>>>>>>>demand) has to face.
The requirements to meet minimum standards for rented accommodation >>>>>>>>are identical for all rental properties. Rules may need revision for >>>>>>>>short term accommodation in emergencies - Covid prompted the use of >>>>>>>>motels, and flooding / storms in Auckland and other places required >>>>>>>>significant emergency housing. Recent incidents relating to boarding >>>>>>>>houses indicate that multi-occupancy establishments may need more >>>>>>>>specific rules relating to fire prevention and minimum standards for >>>>>>>>egress in emergencies.
They are however required to work within a budget approved by >>>>>>Parliament, and to meet property standards set by Parliament .It did >>>>>>not help that a large number of properties were sold by a previous >>>>>>National-led Government, or successive governments had allowed the >>>>>>condition of houses to deteriorate but Parliament more recently >>>>>>required all rental property to be brought up to new minimum standards >>>>>>for better health and safety of residents. The current government has >>>>>>not said that they will change those standards. The previous >>>>>>government funded a major programme to improve standards, and also >>>>>>built a large number of new houses for Kainga Ora - it remains to be >>>>>>seen whether the current government will again sell some off for other >>>>>>priorities
Irrelevant - they have consistently for at least a decade failed to do their >>>job - you can do your usual shit by making this political but I am concerned >>>about the people who need urgent housing - perhaps you could address that >>>instead of bleating about imaginary wrongs of previous governments.
Or don't you care about these poor folk? I bet you have a nice warm house! >>
about poor folk who cannot find somewhere to live. I am glad that you
are concerned that they do get suitable housing, and I share your hope
that Kainga Ora continues to be funded to do their job. See >>https://kaingaora.govt.nz/en_NZ/news/public-housing-renovations-at-record-levels/
for a summary of the good work that has been happening.
You are unable to refrain from political rhetoric - obviously you don't >actually give a damn about the people only about politics. Your concern for the
That will therefore be a good test of the new Government - and the
relevant Minister Chris Bishop - see: >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Housing_(New_Zealand)
Do you have confidence that Chris Bishop can persuade cabinet to
adequately fund this portfolio to continue the good work of Kainga
Ora?
poor folk affected is a sham and completely false. Shame on you.
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 20:55:40 -0000 (UTC), TonyObviously but that does not answer my query. You had no need to turn a non-political thread into a political one and yet you did it anyway- just because you could. Because you are obsessed with politics. >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/507659/the-public-service-agencies-asked-to-cut-spending
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 05:49:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyToo late for those in emergency need.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Whether I have a nice warm house is irrelevant, and yes I do care
On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 00:48:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No abuse, just accurate commentary and a question, see this - >>>>Irrelevant - they have consistently for at least a decade failed to do >>>>their
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Abuse removed
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:57:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Abuse removed.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 23:11:16 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Doesn't let Kainga Ora off the hook - they own this they need to fix >>>>>>>>it.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 01:19:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Comparison with private landlords is meaaningless and a deliberate >>>>>>>>>>> deception by you.
Private landlords have no requirement to provide emergency housing, >>>>>>>>>>> Kainga Ora does.
Precisely the point. K?inga Ora are the ambulance at the bottom of >>>>>>>>>>the
cliff--the landlord of last resort. Their mission is to serve the >>>>>>>>>>tenants
that no private landlord in their right (i.e. capitalist) mind >>>>>>>>>>would
want to take. That imposes its own particular set of challenges, that >>>>>>>>>>no
private business (i.e. no normal player in the market of supply and >>>>>>>>>>demand) has to face.
The requirements to meet minimum standards for rented accommodation >>>>>>>>>are identical for all rental properties. Rules may need revision for >>>>>>>>>short term accommodation in emergencies - Covid prompted the use of >>>>>>>>>motels, and flooding / storms in Auckland and other places required >>>>>>>>>significant emergency housing. Recent incidents relating to boarding >>>>>>>>>houses indicate that multi-occupancy establishments may need more >>>>>>>>>specific rules relating to fire prevention and minimum standards for >>>>>>>>>egress in emergencies.
Simple.
They are however required to work within a budget approved by >>>>>>>Parliament, and to meet property standards set by Parliament .It did >>>>>>>not help that a large number of properties were sold by a previous >>>>>>>National-led Government, or successive governments had allowed the >>>>>>>condition of houses to deteriorate but Parliament more recently >>>>>>>required all rental property to be brought up to new minimum standards >>>>>>>for better health and safety of residents. The current government has >>>>>>>not said that they will change those standards. The previous >>>>>>>government funded a major programme to improve standards, and also >>>>>>>built a large number of new houses for Kainga Ora - it remains to be >>>>>>>seen whether the current government will again sell some off for other >>>>>>>priorities
job - you can do your usual shit by making this political but I am >>>>concerned
about the people who need urgent housing - perhaps you could address that >>>>instead of bleating about imaginary wrongs of previous governments.
Or don't you care about these poor folk? I bet you have a nice warm house! >>>
about poor folk who cannot find somewhere to live. I am glad that you
are concerned that they do get suitable housing, and I share your hope >>>that Kainga Ora continues to be funded to do their job. See >>>https://kaingaora.govt.nz/en_NZ/news/public-housing-renovations-at-record-levels/
for a summary of the good work that has been happening.
You are unable to refrain from political rhetoric - obviously you don't >>actually give a damn about the people only about politics. Your concern for >>the
That will therefore be a good test of the new Government - and the >>>relevant Minister Chris Bishop - see: >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Housing_(New_Zealand)
Do you have confidence that Chris Bishop can persuade cabinet to >>>adequately fund this portfolio to continue the good work of Kainga
Ora?
poor folk affected is a sham and completely false. Shame on you.
As most people know, politics can affect the budgets, and hence
achievements, of government departments. I have now seen this article
which is relevant:
So the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development is in the group withNo excuse.
7.5% cuts.
Do you have confidence that Kainga Ora will be able to achieve theNot what I am saying but what those homeless people are saying and those that care about them (those that don't turn every topic into a political one). Shame on you as I said.
objectives that you say are needed, Tony?
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