• Solar panels heat up the atmosphere

    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 13 21:58:50 2024
    After watching the Geoff buys car link below I thought a verification (People use the phrase fact check these days) would be in order.

    A quick Google brought up

    https://www.greenbiz.com/article/giant-desert-solar-farms-might-have-unintended-climate-consequences

    Dated March 2021. Almost 3 years ago. I have not heard of this. So this
    seems to be another possibility which has been kept hidden.

    So it looks like we are going down the road of trying to change the climate
    one way while boosting up the change in the other direction.

    Nature is still showing us humans how to do it, by photosynthesis and cools the air. Been doing it for a million or two years.

    I do wonder if the IPCC folks have thrown this into their models.

    This is a copy of most of the transcript of Geoff Buys Cars, which started which drew my attention to it. It says much the same as about link.


    From https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsKfJX2EF-o

    [Background]

    I want
    to read this to you I just had to to
    share this in the hope that you all read
    it says the original poster as more and
    more counties get more solar Farms
    here's some truth about solar Farms from
    a Stevenville resident George
    Franklin.

    "I should start by telling you
    what bonafides I have for writing this I
    am a retired aerospace engineer a
    literal rocket scientist if you will I
    worked on MS Peacekeeper space shuttle
    Hubble brilliant Pebbles Pacos p a c o s
    s space station mmu B2 the Sultan of
    br's half a billion dollar private 747
    with Crystal showers gold sinks and a
    $100 a yard quaffed silk
    carpets I designed a sat phone
    installation on Prince Jeff's 757 I did
    all the design work for the structure of
    the mark four propulsion module
    currently flying on at least three
    spacecraft that I know of some of the
    more exciting projects I have worked on
    are not sharable my personal projects
    include a spin fishing reel with a 4 and
    1/2 in spool which is entirely my own
    design Manu machined and assembled it
    has two features that are patentable a
    unique true flat level wind and a unique
    line pickup mechanism I am also an FAA
    certified glider pilot and an FAI
    certified gold glider pilot I fly both
    full scale and model sale planes I am
    Microsoft certified and com TI a A+
    certified.”


    [The really interesting stuff]

    Wow I got a degree in
    English this guy's pretty legit he goes
    on solar panels are at best about 20%
    efficient they convert almost % of the
    UV light that hits them none of the
    visible spectrum and only some of the
    infrared Spectrum at the same time as
    they are absorbing light they are
    absorbing heat from the Sun this
    absorbed heat is radiated into the
    adjacent atmosphere it should be obvious
    what happens next when air is warmed it
    rises even small differences in ordinary
    land surfaces are capable of creating
    powerful forces of weather like
    thunderstorms and tornadoes these
    weather phenomena are initiated and
    reinforced by land features as they are
    blown down wind it is all too obvious to
    me what will happen with the heat
    generated by an entire solar farm solar
    Farms will become thunderstorm and
    tornado incubators and magnets solar
    panels are dark and they emit energy to
    the space above them when they are not
    being radiated this is known as black
    body radiation satellites flying in
    space use this phenomenon to cool
    internal components if they didn't do
    this they would fry themselves so solar
    Farms not only produce more heat in
    summer than the original land that they
    were installed on but they also produce
    more Cooling in Winter the excaratinga extremes
    so I conclude with
    this there is nothing green about green
    energy except the Dirty Money flowing
    into corrupt pockets there is no such
    thing as green energy the science
    doesn't exist the technology doesn't
    exist the engineering doesn't exist we
    are being pushed s to save the planet
    with solutions that are worse than the
    problems. “

    that's um there's quite a lot
    to digest there I have done a video
    previously on the ethical side of solar
    panels if you search in YouTube Jeff
    biscast solar panels you can watch that
    where I analyze the ethical consumer
    article on solar panels that says that
    you basically cannot buy an ethical
    solar panel there is no solar panel
    brand that you can buy from who can
    guarantee that they don't use slave
    labor in their supply chain so now on
    top of the fact that you've got uh 20%
    efficiency you've got a product that is
    built in horrendous circumstances often
    using people that have been moved from
    one place to another uh fenced off with
    Barb Wire and all that sort of stuff
    obviously all in China

    now you've got an actual person that
    knows about all of this stuff talking
    about the basics of how the heat works
    with solar panels and how the solar
    panels themselves could be creating the
    weather that is all being blamed on
    climate change I'm going to leave that one there
    thank you very much for watching and um
    enjoy your
    weekend

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Sun Jan 14 14:01:08 2024
    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:44:28 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On 13 Jan 2024 21:58:50 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    I do wonder if the IPCC folks have thrown this into their models.

    Let's not stop there, Gordon. Let's go doubly Green by following
    these 2 Greenie recommendations:

    1. Cover the Earth with solar panels.

    Can you give a reference for that recommendation? I would like to know
    more about it.


    2. After (1) is done, fill the stratosphere with solar reflecting
    confetti to block the Sun's rays, thus turning (1) into junk, after
    which we all freeze to death anyway.

    Now that one I find hard to believe - again any references?

    What will the aliens make of our dead planet, hmm?

    I'm sure they would look after you, Willy Nilly

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sun Jan 14 00:44:28 2024
    On 13 Jan 2024 21:58:50 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    I do wonder if the IPCC folks have thrown this into their models.

    Let's not stop there, Gordon. Let's go doubly Green by following
    these 2 Greenie recommendations:

    1. Cover the Earth with solar panels.

    2. After (1) is done, fill the stratosphere with solar reflecting
    confetti to block the Sun's rays, thus turning (1) into junk, after
    which we all freeze to death anyway.

    What will the aliens make of our dead planet, hmm?

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Jan 14 01:52:51 2024
    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:44:28 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
    Let's not stop there, Gordon. Let's go doubly Green by following
    these 2 Greenie recommendations:

    1. Cover the Earth with solar panels.

    Can you give a reference for that recommendation? I would like to know
    more about it.

    How about you tell us when we should stop, Rich -- what is the
    saturation point? Greenies never say.

    2. After (1) is done, fill the stratosphere with solar reflecting
    confetti to block the Sun's rays, thus turning (1) into junk, after
    which we all freeze to death anyway.

    Now that one I find hard to believe - again any references?

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun
    You'll be genuflecting once your precious "experts" recommend it, Rich

    What will the aliens make of our dead planet, hmm?

    I'm sure they would look after you, Willy Nilly

    Too late, the Greenies will get us first.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Jan 14 01:48:29 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:44:28 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On 13 Jan 2024 21:58:50 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    I do wonder if the IPCC folks have thrown this into their models.

    Let's not stop there, Gordon. Let's go doubly Green by following
    these 2 Greenie recommendations:

    1. Cover the Earth with solar panels.

    Can you give a reference for that recommendation? I would like to know
    more about it.


    2. After (1) is done, fill the stratosphere with solar reflecting
    confetti to block the Sun's rays, thus turning (1) into junk, after
    which we all freeze to death anyway.

    Now that one I find hard to believe - again any references?

    What will the aliens make of our dead planet, hmm?

    I'm sure they would look after you, Willy Nilly
    Oh what a wit you are - you follow some gentle irony with sarcasm.
    But then what else do you have?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Sun Jan 14 18:23:40 2024
    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 01:52:51 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:44:28 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
    Let's not stop there, Gordon. Let's go doubly Green by following
    these 2 Greenie recommendations:

    1. Cover the Earth with solar panels.

    Can you give a reference for that recommendation? I would like to know
    more about it.

    How about you tell us when we should stop, Rich -- what is the
    saturation point? Greenies never say.

    2. After (1) is done, fill the stratosphere with solar reflecting >>>confetti to block the Sun's rays, thus turning (1) into junk, after
    which we all freeze to death anyway.

    Now that one I find hard to believe - again any references?

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun
    You'll be genuflecting once your precious "experts" recommend it, Rich
    Thanks for the link, Willy Nilly. It does indicate that no-one is
    recommending covering the earth with solar panels - and fiction can
    give some cause for thought, or amusement . . .

    What will the aliens make of our dead planet, hmm?

    I'm sure they would look after you, Willy Nilly

    Too late, the Greenies will get us first.

    The Greens around the world are getting more respect than previously -
    their predictions of increased extremes of climate are being seen as
    true in general - here in New Zealand they are the third largest
    party, ahead of both ACT and NZ First - while no-one is requiring
    anyone to support them they are certainly being listened to by more
    people than previously; good to see you giving them your attention.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 16 03:45:11 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 01:52:51 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:44:28 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>Let's not stop there, Gordon. Let's go doubly Green by following
    these 2 Greenie recommendations:

    1. Cover the Earth with solar panels.

    Can you give a reference for that recommendation? I would like to know >>>more about it.

    How about you tell us when we should stop, Rich -- what is the
    saturation point? Greenies never say.

    2. After (1) is done, fill the stratosphere with solar reflecting >>>>confetti to block the Sun's rays, thus turning (1) into junk, after >>>>which we all freeze to death anyway.

    Now that one I find hard to believe - again any references?
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun
    You'll be genuflecting once your precious "experts" recommend it, Rich >Thanks for the link, Willy Nilly. It does indicate that no-one is >recommending covering the earth with solar panels - and fiction can
    give some cause for thought, or amusement . . .

    What will the aliens make of our dead planet, hmm?

    I'm sure they would look after you, Willy Nilly

    Too late, the Greenies will get us first.

    The Greens around the world are getting more respect than previously -
    their predictions of increased extremes of climate are being seen as
    true in general
    Something a child could have predicted and probably did. Whether the climate is changnig or not is not the issue, what if anything we need to do about it is the question. The bland assumption that the climate is changing therefore we have to try to stop it happening is ridiculous.
    - here in New Zealand they are the third largest
    party, ahead of both ACT and NZ First - while no-one is requiring
    anyone to support them they are certainly being listened to by more
    people than previously; good to see you giving them your attention.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Jan 16 23:37:13 2024
    On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 03:45:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 01:52:51 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:44:28 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>>Let's not stop there, Gordon. Let's go doubly Green by following >>>>>these 2 Greenie recommendations:

    1. Cover the Earth with solar panels.

    Can you give a reference for that recommendation? I would like to know >>>>more about it.

    How about you tell us when we should stop, Rich -- what is the
    saturation point? Greenies never say.

    2. After (1) is done, fill the stratosphere with solar reflecting >>>>>confetti to block the Sun's rays, thus turning (1) into junk, after >>>>>which we all freeze to death anyway.

    Now that one I find hard to believe - again any references?
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun
    You'll be genuflecting once your precious "experts" recommend it, Rich >>Thanks for the link, Willy Nilly. It does indicate that no-one is >>recommending covering the earth with solar panels - and fiction can
    give some cause for thought, or amusement . . .

    What will the aliens make of our dead planet, hmm?

    I'm sure they would look after you, Willy Nilly

    Too late, the Greenies will get us first.

    The Greens around the world are getting more respect than previously - >>their predictions of increased extremes of climate are being seen as
    true in general
    Something a child could have predicted and probably did. Whether the climate is
    changnig or not is not the issue, what if anything we need to do about it is >the question. The bland assumption that the climate is changing therefore we >have to try to stop it happening is ridiculous.
    It is not current government policy to renege on the international
    agreement about actions relating to climate change that Paula Bennett
    signed us up to on behalf of a previous government. So you are correct
    that individually you do not have to do anything, but collectively it
    is best if we avoid the financial cost of not meeting agreed emission
    targets. You have been told this many times, Tony.

    - here in New Zealand they are the third largest
    party, ahead of both ACT and NZ First - while no-one is requiring
    anyone to support them they are certainly being listened to by more
    people than previously; good to see you giving them your attention.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 16 19:37:29 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 03:45:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 01:52:51 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 14 Jan 2024 00:44:28 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>>>Let's not stop there, Gordon. Let's go doubly Green by following >>>>>>these 2 Greenie recommendations:

    1. Cover the Earth with solar panels.

    Can you give a reference for that recommendation? I would like to know >>>>>more about it.

    How about you tell us when we should stop, Rich -- what is the >>>>saturation point? Greenies never say.

    2. After (1) is done, fill the stratosphere with solar reflecting >>>>>>confetti to block the Sun's rays, thus turning (1) into junk, after >>>>>>which we all freeze to death anyway.

    Now that one I find hard to believe - again any references?
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun
    You'll be genuflecting once your precious "experts" recommend it, Rich >>>Thanks for the link, Willy Nilly. It does indicate that no-one is >>>recommending covering the earth with solar panels - and fiction can
    give some cause for thought, or amusement . . .

    What will the aliens make of our dead planet, hmm?

    I'm sure they would look after you, Willy Nilly

    Too late, the Greenies will get us first.

    The Greens around the world are getting more respect than previously - >>>their predictions of increased extremes of climate are being seen as
    true in general
    Something a child could have predicted and probably did. Whether the climate >>is
    changnig or not is not the issue, what if anything we need to do about it is >>the question. The bland assumption that the climate is changing therefore we >>have to try to stop it happening is ridiculous.
    It is not current government policy to renege on the international
    agreement about actions relating to climate change that Paula Bennett
    signed us up to on behalf of a previous government. So you are correct
    that individually you do not have to do anything, but collectively it
    is best if we avoid the financial cost of not meeting agreed emission >targets. You have been told this many times, Tony.
    And every time you have said it you have provided zero evidence. Stick to the subject and provide some evidence for the first time.

    - here in New Zealand they are the third largest
    party, ahead of both ACT and NZ First - while no-one is requiring
    anyone to support them they are certainly being listened to by more >>>people than previously; good to see you giving them your attention.

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