On 11 Jan 2024 23:41:00 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You patronising fool - you judge all of the time, you tell people off for believing something that you don't like, you are the worst of all possible human beings in this forum. Grow up and leave other people to enjoy their rights and privileges - your hopes of an authoritarian and undemocratic regime are over thakfully ofr at least 3 years.
Another MP behaving badlyIt is at this stage an allegation only.
That is as it should behttps://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133549684/golriz-ghahramans-political-career-in-danger-experts-say-she-should-front-up
Good to see that both sides of the political spectrum are saying this needs >>to be cleared up.
As it stands the guilty until proven innocent is applying. No smoke without >>fire.What a horrible belief to have - you must be a very sad individual.
Yes I understand that the "Dirty Tricks" supporters of NAct may well
push that view, but at this stage it is sad that such allegations have
been made about any member of parliament. To pre-judge the issue if
against the avowed principles of every party in parliament - but some
parties are not prepared to go as far as to recommend such views to
their members.
A by-election with her as the Green party candidate would be a good way of >>clearing the matter up.That is putting the cart before the horse, but she is a list MP
anyway, so there is no possibility of a by-election.
Interesting days ahead. Can Democracy rule?Of course it can. Do you see any potential difficulties in that
regard?
Another MP behaving badlyIt is at this stage an allegation only.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133549684/golriz-ghahramans-political-career-in-danger-experts-say-she-should-front-upThat is as it should be
Good to see that both sides of the political spectrum are saying this needs >to be cleared up.
As it stands the guilty until proven innocent is applying. No smoke without >fire.What a horrible belief to have - you must be a very sad individual.
A by-election with her as the Green party candidate would be a good way of >clearing the matter up.That is putting the cart before the horse, but she is a list MP
Interesting days ahead. Can Democracy rule?Of course it can. Do you see any potential difficulties in that
As it stands the guilty until proven innocent is applying.
Another MP behaving badly
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133549684/golriz-ghahramans-political-career-in-danger-experts-say-she-should-front-up
Good to see that both sides of the political spectrum are saying this needs >to be cleared up.
As it stands the guilty until proven innocent is applying. No smoke without >fire.
A by-election with her as the Green party candidate would be a good way of >clearing the matter up.
Interesting days ahead. Can Democracy rule?
On 11 Jan 2024 23:41:00 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Another MP behaving badly
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133549684/golriz-ghahramans-political-career-in-danger-experts-say-she-should-front-up
Good to see that both sides of the political spectrum are saying this needs >>to be cleared up.
As it stands the guilty until proven innocent is applying. No smoke without >>fire.
A by-election with her as the Green party candidate would be a good way of >>clearing the matter up.
Interesting days ahead. Can Democracy rule?
While I agree in general Gordon, this assumes that Gharamen is guilty
and honourable enough to resign. As a list MP there is no by-election
so therefore if she were to resign she would be replaced by the next >available Greens list candidate and would leave the current
Parliament.
Resigning and forcing a by election is only an option for electorate
MPs.
On Sat, 13 Jan 2024, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:The truth will no doubt become public but let us remember that there have been previous Green MPs (including one co-leader) who believed they had the right to steal. What a pathetic bunch of entitled nobody's.
The situation gets worse and the likelihood of prosecution increases >>because of the allegation of theft on multiple occasions.
I remembered "journalism" praising her as a new light in NZ politics: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018772797/golriz-ghahraman-finding-her-place-in-aotearoa
Ain't reality a bitch. How could she let all her people down?
Because none of them are actually ethical? She can hardly claim
poverty now, can she? But she can claim Marxist entitlement to the
property of others -- which is what the Greens actually stand for.
The situation gets worse and the likelihood of prosecution increases
because of the allegation of theft on multiple occasions.
On 2024-01-12, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 17:28:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Then there is also this
wrote:
On 11 Jan 2024 23:41:00 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Another MP behaving badly
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133549684/golriz-ghahramans-political-career-in-danger-experts-say-she-should-front-up
Good to see that both sides of the political spectrum are saying this needs >>>>to be cleared up.
As it stands the guilty until proven innocent is applying. No smoke without >>>>fire.
A by-election with her as the Green party candidate would be a good way of >>>>clearing the matter up.
Interesting days ahead. Can Democracy rule?
While I agree in general Gordon, this assumes that Gharamen is guilty
and honourable enough to resign. As a list MP there is no by-election
so therefore if she were to resign she would be replaced by the next >>>available Greens list candidate and would leave the current
Parliament.
Resigning and forcing a by election is only an option for electorate
MPs.
Now this:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/133553657/the-unanswered-questions-in-the-case-of-golriz-ghahraman-and-scotties-boutique
The situation gets worse and the likelihood of prosecution increases
because of the allegation of theft on multiple occasions.
https://centrist.co.nz/kamikaze-damage-control-have-greens-overstepped-the-delicate-line-of-politicians-interfering-with-scales-of-justice-in-golriz-ghahraman-investigation/That link shows some very concerning possibilities. If true I would not be surprised but we wait to see.
Which makes some good points. Political parties and the legal system must >never be joined at the hip. There are allegations that the Greens may have >tried to cut this off at the pass buy meeting with the shop.
Along with this is a case of do as as say, not as I do. Supposed to be >representing the poor down trodden folks while stealing from a high end
shop.
As for her being the justice spokesperson for the Green is giviving us >evidence to confirm our own views og the Greens.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 17:28:55 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On 11 Jan 2024 23:41:00 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Another MP behaving badly
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133549684/golriz-ghahramans-political-career-in-danger-experts-say-she-should-front-up
Good to see that both sides of the political spectrum are saying this needs >>>to be cleared up.
As it stands the guilty until proven innocent is applying. No smoke without >>>fire.
A by-election with her as the Green party candidate would be a good way of >>>clearing the matter up.
Interesting days ahead. Can Democracy rule?
While I agree in general Gordon, this assumes that Gharamen is guilty
and honourable enough to resign. As a list MP there is no by-election
so therefore if she were to resign she would be replaced by the next >>available Greens list candidate and would leave the current
Parliament.
Resigning and forcing a by election is only an option for electorate
MPs.
Now this:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/133553657/the-unanswered-questions-in-the-case-of-golriz-ghahraman-and-scotties-boutique
The situation gets worse and the likelihood of prosecution increases
because of the allegation of theft on multiple occasions.
On Sat, 13 Jan 2024, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:We don't know if she has yet - but that subtlety seems to have
The situation gets worse and the likelihood of prosecution increases >>because of the allegation of theft on multiple occasions.
I remembered "journalism" praising her as a new light in NZ politics: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018772797/golriz-ghahraman-finding-her-place-in-aotearoa
Ain't reality a bitch. How could she let all her people down?
Because none of them are actually ethical?Who is "them"? Immigrants, females, dark skinned people, politicians?
She can hardly claimWhy should she?
poverty now, can she?
But she can claim Marxist entitlement to theWhat rubbish . . .
property of others -- which is what the Greens actually stand for.
wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2024, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:The truth will no doubt become public but let us remember that there have been >previous Green MPs (including one co-leader) who believed they had the right to
The situation gets worse and the likelihood of prosecution increases >>>because of the allegation of theft on multiple occasions.
I remembered "journalism" praising her as a new light in NZ politics: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018772797/golriz-ghahraman-finding-her-place-in-aotearoa
Ain't reality a bitch. How could she let all her people down?
Because none of them are actually ethical? She can hardly claim
poverty now, can she? But she can claim Marxist entitlement to the >>property of others -- which is what the Greens actually stand for.
steal. What a pathetic bunch of entitled nobody's.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 21:23:13 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:The green party are marxists - fact, not rubbish at all.
On Sat, 13 Jan 2024, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:We don't know if she has yet - but that subtlety seems to have
The situation gets worse and the likelihood of prosecution increases >>>because of the allegation of theft on multiple occasions.
I remembered "journalism" praising her as a new light in NZ politics: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018772797/golriz-ghahraman-finding-her-place-in-aotearoa
Ain't reality a bitch. How could she let all her people down?
by-passed quite a few people
Because none of them are actually ethical?Who is "them"? Immigrants, females, dark skinned people, politicians?
Most political parties have a story of at times finding one of their
own has been dishonest . . .
She can hardly claimWhy should she?
poverty now, can she?
But she can claim Marxist entitlement to theWhat rubbish . . .
property of others -- which is what the Greens actually stand for.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 21:28:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhich is precisely what I wrote
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Sat, 13 Jan 2024, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:The truth will no doubt become public but let us remember that there have >>been
The situation gets worse and the likelihood of prosecution increases >>>>because of the allegation of theft on multiple occasions.
I remembered "journalism" praising her as a new light in NZ politics: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018772797/golriz-ghahraman-finding-her-place-in-aotearoa
Ain't reality a bitch. How could she let all her people down?
Because none of them are actually ethical? She can hardly claim
poverty now, can she? But she can claim Marxist entitlement to the >>>property of others -- which is what the Greens actually stand for.
previous Green MPs (including one co-leader) who believed they had the right >>to
steal. What a pathetic bunch of entitled nobody's.
Nothing proved - following the National party mantra of :anything goes
so long as you stay out of court", perhaps it is worth waiting to see
what happens . . .
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