• Re: Defining the Left-Right Political Spectrum

    From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 9 07:43:42 2024
    Ah, the spectrumists are on the march again: left-right, left-right ...

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 9 07:34:58 2024
    This is interesting. Some real hard hitting points.


    https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/defining-the-left-right-political

    "It is surely one of the great ironies of political history that many of today’s leftists are obsessed with defining humanity in racial categories, and attributing moral qualities to these categories. In other words,
    these people have become racists."

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed Jan 10 08:29:32 2024
    On 9 Jan 2024 07:34:58 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    This is interesting. Some real hard hitting points.


    https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/defining-the-left-right-political

    "It is surely one of the great ironies of political history that many of >today’s leftists are obsessed with defining humanity in racial categories, >and attributing moral qualities to these categories. In other words,
    these people have become racists."

    We have moved on from the French Revolution - for a more nuanced
    approach see:
    https://www.politicalcompass.org/
    and https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2023

    The term Liberal is used by a conservative party in Australia - in New
    Zealand it tends to refer to the more centrist elements of the
    National Party. Both ACT and National are about as right with respect
    to economic policies as the Republican party in the USA, but ACT
    pretend to have adopted libertarian policies on the social spectrum -
    assisting them to appeal to those with "alternative views" by also
    minimising the need to balance freedom of actions with responsibility
    for others; thus appealing to gun lobbyists, but also to an extent to
    Covid nutters.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 9 21:08:51 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 9 Jan 2024 07:34:58 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    This is interesting. Some real hard hitting points.


    https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/defining-the-left-right-political

    "It is surely one of the great ironies of political history that many of >>today’s leftists are obsessed with defining humanity in racial categories, >>and attributing moral qualities to these categories. In other words,
    these people have become racists."

    We have moved on from the French Revolution - for a more nuanced
    approach see:
    https://www.politicalcompass.org/
    and https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2023

    The term Liberal is used by a conservative party in Australia - in New >Zealand it tends to refer to the more centrist elements of the
    National Party. Both ACT and National are about as right with respect
    to economic policies as the Republican party in the USA
    Wrong, another often told lie.
    , but ACT
    pretend to have adopted libertarian policies on the social spectrum - >assisting them to appeal to those with "alternative views" by also
    minimising the need to balance freedom of actions with responsibility
    for others; thus appealing to gun lobbyists, but also to an extent to
    Covid nutters.
    It is unfair to call people who caught Covid nutters, but then unfair is your best approach to such matters.
    That and everythjng else you wrote is bullshit.

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 9 20:57:24 2024
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Covid nutters.

    By "Covid nutters", you undoubtedly mean people like Dr. Aseem
    Malhotra, who was pro-vaccine as anything until his previously-healthy
    father died of heart-blockages 6 months after getting the Pfizer jabs.


    https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/world-renowned-consultant-cardiologist-dr-aseem-malhotra-speaks-to-sold-out-crowd-at-eden-park-today/

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Tue Jan 9 21:16:51 2024
    On Tue, 09 Jan 2024 20:57:24 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Covid nutters.

    By "Covid nutters", you undoubtedly mean people like Dr. Aseem
    Malhotra, who was pro-vaccine as anything until his previously-healthy
    father died of heart-blockages 6 months after getting the Pfizer jabs. >https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/world-renowned-consultant-cardiologist-dr-aseem-malhotra-speaks-to-sold-out-crowd-at-eden-park-today/

    Also see his twitter feed if you want an education: https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Wed Jan 10 16:00:59 2024
    On Tue, 09 Jan 2024 21:16:51 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Tue, 09 Jan 2024 20:57:24 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
    On Wed, 10 Jan 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Covid nutters.

    By "Covid nutters", you undoubtedly mean people like Dr. Aseem
    Malhotra, who was pro-vaccine as anything until his previously-healthy >>father died of heart-blockages 6 months after getting the Pfizer jabs. >>https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/world-renowned-consultant-cardiologist-dr-aseem-malhotra-speaks-to-sold-out-crowd-at-eden-park-today/

    Also see his twitter feed if you want an education: >https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra


    No, first I was not aware of him, but also he does not appear
    concerned abut the primary role of the vaccine in significantly
    reducing the number of Covid deaths, but he was understandably
    distressed by the death of his father, which he attributes at least in
    part to a reaction to the vaccine. While he offers no proof that the
    death was primarily caused by the vaccine, the reality is that many
    vaccines since they were first developed have been accompanied by
    deaths that may arise from aspects of the injection itself or a small
    adverse effect of the vaccine itself. You may recall that during the
    various waves there was one time when the method if preparing for the
    injection was changed to minimise such adverse effects - while they at
    times gave adverse effects well short of death, it is better to
    minimise such effects where possible.

    It is indeed sad that his father died with the possibility that it was
    indeed caused by the injection or vaccine or both; we can sympathise,
    but the Doctor does not appear to have concluded that the vaccination
    programme was wrong - the statistics, and in particular comparisons
    with other countries, show that we are better off than most other
    countries in terms of Covid deaths; the lockdowns gave us a little
    time to see vaccine results from some other coutries; some of our
    vaccine supplies were developed after the initial vaccine and that may
    have also helped.

    No vaccine is a total success, but New Zealand can rightly be proud of
    our medical profession for their support for the isolation programme
    before vaccines were available, for their support for the vaccines,
    and for their analysis on the way through that identified improvements
    during the programme. While or death rates overall were low, that is
    little comfort to the families of those that did die for whatever
    reason.

    Perhaps that was not the "education" you were looking for Willy Nilly,
    but it is good to be reminded that while we did have more deaths than
    we would have liked, overall we did very well.

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