There’s this ad that keeps playing on Juice TV. Among the points it >mentions:Generally the heavier the turntable the better (subject to common sense limits) and length of the tone arm is ideally about 12 inches, 8.5 would be in the good rather than excellent category.
* 1.7kg steel platter
* 8.6” carbon tonearm
So what’s so cool about this? Would a 1.6kg steel platter be worse? How >about 1.8kg? Are we supposed to sneer at an 8.5” tonearm? Pooh-pooh any >suggestion of 8.7”?
I’ve never owned a vinyl player or discs. I went from cassette tape >straight to CDs. And I kept the cassette tapes, as well.
As a child, first learning how to read and spell, I looked at the “i” and >the “y” in “vinyl” and wondered why it wasn’t pronounced like “vin-
nile” ...
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 00:08:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
The technology of excellent vinyl reproduction is at least as complex as
any other method of music reproduction in place today, probably moreso.
But they still cant fix the dust, or the degradation that happens with
each playing.
Its a technology stuck in the 1970s. And an example of what happens when >people value technology for its own sake, rather than for what it can >actually achieve.
The technology of excellent vinyl reproduction is at least as complex as
any other method of music reproduction in place today, probably moreso.
To listen, they copied from the LP to tape ...
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 00:08:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:No they cannot, although the degradation is extremely tiny if the setup is good enough (and very expensive).
The technology of excellent vinyl reproduction is at least as complex as
any other method of music reproduction in place today, probably moreso.
But they still can’t fix the dust, or the degradation that happens with >each playing.
It’s a technology stuck in the 1970s.Not stuck, it is a hobby.
people value technology for its own sake, rather than for what it can >actually achieve.Exactly, a hobby, just like many others and no doubt fulfilling for those that enjoy it.
#8 -- JUICE TV -- Sound Gay And Modern And With No Knowledge Of Vinyl
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
And an example of what happens when
people value technology for its own sake, rather than for what it can
actually achieve.
Exactly, a hobby, just like many others and no doubt fulfilling for
those that enjoy it.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 00:08:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:No they cannot, although the degradation is extremely tiny if the setup is good
The technology of excellent vinyl reproduction is at least as complex as >>> any other method of music reproduction in place today, probably moreso.
But they still can’t fix the dust, or the degradation that happens with >>each playing.
enough (and very expensive).
Not stuck, it is a hobby.
It’s a technology stuck in the 1970s.
< And an example of what happens when
people value technology for its own sake, rather than for what it can >>actually achieve.Exactly, a hobby, just like many others and no doubt fulfilling for those that >enjoy it.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 03:43:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:They alo have value as a hobby, as stated above. There is a strong interest in the technology, commercial interests still make money from it
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
And an example of what happens when
people value technology for its own sake, rather than for what it can
actually achieve.
Exactly, a hobby, just like many others and no doubt fulfilling for
those that enjoy it.
Those who work with other retro technology (like old computers) understand >that they are nothing more than museum pieces. Their value lies in >remembering how they influenced later developments, often in quite
important ways.
Vinyl, on the other hand, is a dead-end technology. If it still has any >value, it lies in teaching us how *not* to design audio technology.And as a hobby, a bit like mountain climbing - little practical value but enjoyed by many.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 03:43:43 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes, I have heard of that but have no practical experience with it. I sold my 50 year old modified Thorens deck and Armstrong amplifier about 5 years ago for a lot of money to someone in their early twenties who just wanted to try it out with some inherited records.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 00:08:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:No they cannot, although the degradation is extremely tiny if the setup is >>good
The technology of excellent vinyl reproduction is at least as complex as >>>> any other method of music reproduction in place today, probably moreso. >>>But they still can’t fix the dust, or the degradation that happens with >>>each playing.
enough (and very expensive).
Not stuck, it is a hobby.
It’s a technology stuck in the 1970s.
< And an example of what happens when
people value technology for its own sake, rather than for what it can >>>actually achieve.Exactly, a hobby, just like many others and no doubt fulfilling for those >>that
enjoy it.
You can make a digital recording sound like vinyl but without the
scratches and other noise by putting an Aphex studio dominator between
the audio output and the amplifier.
Bill.
... commercial interests still make money from it
A similar example is valves (vacuum tubes) there are at least two
dealers of those in this country but the technology in which they are
used has little use today ...
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 20:53:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Vinyl is not money driven, it is a hobby.
... commercial interests still make money from it
Maybe that’s the thing? Because as far as I know, no commercial interests >make money from retrocomputing (except maybe second-hand dealers). So one
is clearly driven by money, the other is not so much.
Do they make money or is it a hobby?A similar example is valves (vacuum tubes) there are at least two
dealers of those in this country but the technology in which they are
used has little use today ...
Except to make money from, it seems.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 20:53:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
... commercial interests still make money from it
Maybe that’s the thing? Because as far as I know, no commercial
interests make money from retrocomputing (except maybe second-hand >>dealers). So one is clearly driven by money, the other is not so much.
Vinyl is not money driven, it is a hobby.
A similar example is valves (vacuum tubes) there are at least two
dealers of those in this country but the technology in which they are
used has little use today ...
Except to make money from, it seems.
Do they make money or is it a hobby?
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 22:26:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:The few people I know that are enthusiasts are not particularly well heeled. Obvisously some will be but it is not a commercially driven hobby in my experience.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 20:53:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
... commercial interests still make money from it
Maybe that’s the thing? Because as far as I know, no commercial >>>interests make money from retrocomputing (except maybe second-hand >>>dealers). So one is clearly driven by money, the other is not so much.
Vinyl is not money driven, it is a hobby.
Seems to be one primarily for the well-heeled. You said yourself: >“commercial interests still make money from it”.
And those “commercialYou know that how?
interests” are not exactly aiming for the low end of the market ...
No but those that use them repair or replicate old equpiment - another hobby and definitely not commercially driven (enthusiasm driven).A similar example is valves (vacuum tubes) there are at least two
dealers of those in this country but the technology in which they are
used has little use today ...
Except to make money from, it seems.
Do they make money or is it a hobby?
Again, I imagine those low-volume valves/tubes are not exactly cheap ...
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 22:26:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:The few people I know that are enthusiasts are not particularly well heeled. >Obvisously some will be but it is not a commercially driven hobby in my >experience.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 20:53:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
... commercial interests still make money from it
Maybe that’s the thing? Because as far as I know, no commercial >>>>interests make money from retrocomputing (except maybe second-hand >>>>dealers). So one is clearly driven by money, the other is not so much.
Vinyl is not money driven, it is a hobby.
Seems to be one primarily for the well-heeled. You said yourself: >>“commercial interests still make money from it?.
And those “commercialYou know that how?
interests? are not exactly aiming for the low end of the market ...
No but those that use them repair or replicate old equpiment - another hobby >and definitely not commercially driven (enthusiasm driven).
A similar example is valves (vacuum tubes) there are at least two
dealers of those in this country but the technology in which they are >>>>> used has little use today ...
Except to make money from, it seems.
Do they make money or is it a hobby?
Again, I imagine those low-volume valves/tubes are not exactly cheap ...
On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 00:00:59 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo it is on topic.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 22:26:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:The few people I know that are enthusiasts are not particularly well heeled. >>Obvisously some will be but it is not a commercially driven hobby in my >>experience.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 20:53:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Vinyl is not money driven, it is a hobby.
... commercial interests still make money from it
Maybe that’s the thing? Because as far as I know, no commercial >>>>>interests make money from retrocomputing (except maybe second-hand >>>>>dealers). So one is clearly driven by money, the other is not so much. >>>>
Seems to be one primarily for the well-heeled. You said yourself: >>>“commercial interests still make money from it?.
And those “commercialYou know that how?
interests? are not exactly aiming for the low end of the market ...
A similar example is valves (vacuum tubes) there are at least two
dealers of those in this country but the technology in which they are >>>>>> used has little use today ...
Except to make money from, it seems.
Do they make money or is it a hobby?
Again, I imagine those low-volume valves/tubes are not exactly cheap ... >>No but those that use them repair or replicate old equpiment - another hobby >>and definitely not commercially driven (enthusiasm driven).
All of which is getting a long way from the original subject - I am
surprised you haven't called yourself for being off topic, Tony.
Perhaps you can remember this when a topic does veer off into otherThe difference, which is entirely beyond your comprehension, is that you deliberately go off topic for political reasons (mainly but not always). I am happy with genuine drift, but not your lies and deceit.
issues - as can reasonably happen in group discussions, and the
ability to follow different threads almost encourages such
conversational diversions.
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