... not recognising that New
Zealand did so much better than other countries in saving lives and,
we now discover, also saving many from Long Covid.
Sadly we have too many New Zealanders influenced by peddlers of false >information - often coming from overseas and not recognising that NewThis is still an open question and we will see in due course.
Zealand did so much better than other countries in saving lives and,
we now discover, also saving many from Long Covid.
On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 09:59:06 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:
... not recognising that New
Zealand did so much better than other countries in saving lives and,
we now discover, also saving many from Long Covid.
People have forgotten what life was like, say, a hundred years ago, when >infectious diseases like smallpox, polio, TB, measles etc were rife.
Now smallpox is gone. And we are this close to getting rid of polio.
People think of something like measles as something minor, not worth >bothering about. But it is so infectious that, if it is allowed to spread >unchecked, even with a small percentage of serious cases, it will still
lead to lots of hospitalizations and deaths. Similarly for COVID-19.
Some people don’t trust science. Worse than that, they don’t trust basic >arithmetic.
NZ1st just needed votes and the nutters were there
waiting for someone to represent them . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccination-dramatically-lowers-long-covid-risk/
This is still an open question and we will see in due course.
Sadly we have too many New Zealanders influenced by peddlers of false >>information - often coming from overseas and not recognising that New >>Zealand did so much better than other countries in saving lives and,
we now discover, also saving many from Long Covid.
On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 21:43:50 -0000 (UTC), TonySo you say but you have never provided such proof. It is not proven only considered by some to be true. A world of difference.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccination-dramatically-lowers-long-covid-risk/
This is still an open question and we will see in due course.
Sadly we have too many New Zealanders influenced by peddlers of false >>>information - often coming from overseas and not recognising that New >>>Zealand did so much better than other countries in saving lives and,
we now discover, also saving many from Long Covid.
Already proven
- but you have to follow the science, Tony.I do which is why I can say it is not proven - you should open your mind.
You mayWhat governments do or believe is irrelevant to the subject.
not have noticed, but even the NAct1st government in NZ has now given >priority to encouraging New Zealanders to keep up to date with the
Covid vaccine - telling while their lack of financial skills are
leading them to defer the cut to the top tax rate, and even to
consider not backdating the tax perks for landlords!
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 21:43:50 -0000 (UTC), TonySo you say but you have never provided such proof. It is not proven only >considered by some to be true. A world of difference.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccination-dramatically-lowers-long-covid-risk/
This is still an open question and we will see in due course.
Sadly we have too many New Zealanders influenced by peddlers of false >>>>information - often coming from overseas and not recognising that New >>>>Zealand did so much better than other countries in saving lives and,
we now discover, also saving many from Long Covid.
Already proven
- but you have to follow the science, Tony.I do which is why I can say it is not proven - you should open your mind.
That Nact1st have allowed the vaccine updates to continue puts that asYou mayWhat governments do or believe is irrelevant to the subject.
not have noticed, but even the NAct1st government in NZ has now given >>priority to encouraging New Zealanders to keep up to date with the
Covid vaccine - telling while their lack of financial skills are
leading them to defer the cut to the top tax rate, and even to
consider not backdating the tax perks for landlords!
On 2024-01-03, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 11:41:41 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:
NZ1st just needed votes and the nutters were there
waiting for someone to represent them . . .
Peters did actually go visit the Parliament Grounds occupiers, didn’t he?
I guess the only thing stopping him from supporting them more overtly is
the fact that most NZers would never stand for such fringe nonsense.
It is not fringe nonsense when the citzerns of the country have gone to >Parliament and none of the MP in the house refuse to come out and talk with >the people.
... but put partisan politics first, ...
On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 11:41:41 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:
NZ1st just needed votes and the nutters were there
waiting for someone to represent them . . .
Peters did actually go visit the Parliament Grounds occupiers, didn’t he?
I guess the only thing stopping him from supporting them more overtly is
the fact that most NZers would never stand for such fringe nonsense.
It is not fringe nonsense when the citzerns of the country have gone to Parliament and none of the MP in the house refuse to come out and talk
with the people.
On Thu, 04 Jan 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Indeed you could not, but yes I have kept up with Boosters from the
... but put partisan politics first, ...
... which is exactly what you're all about, Rich. The rest is all
projection which is all you can do.
Have you gotten the latest boosters? I wish you no harm, but cannot
stop you from harming yourself.
On 2024-01-03, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Exactly.
On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 11:41:41 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:
NZ1st just needed votes and the nutters were there
waiting for someone to represent them . . .
Peters did actually go visit the Parliament Grounds occupiers, didn’t he? >> I guess the only thing stopping him from supporting them more overtly is
the fact that most NZers would never stand for such fringe nonsense.
It is not fringe nonsense when the citzerns of the country have gone to >Parliament and none of the MP in the house refuse to come out and talk with >the people.
On 4 Jan 2024 00:48:23 GMT, Gordon wrote:Except that what you wrote above has no basis in fact. Mere speculation.
It is not fringe nonsense when the citzerns of the country have gone to
Parliament and none of the MP in the house refuse to come out and talk
with the people.
They had no idea what they were there for. The cops tried to find somebody
to talk to who would represent them, to try and come to some peaceful >resolution, but they couldn’t find anybody.
And Destiny Church had something to do with it, but things got a bit too >loony even for them, so they pulled out, then came back after a few days.
That just tells you what a motley rabble they were.
On 4 Jan 2024 00:48:23 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Cite?
On 2024-01-03, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 04 Jan 2024 11:41:41 +1300, Rich80105 wrote:
NZ1st just needed votes and the nutters were there
waiting for someone to represent them . . .
Peters did actually go visit the Parliament Grounds occupiers, didn’t he? >>> I guess the only thing stopping him from supporting them more overtly is >>> the fact that most NZers would never stand for such fringe nonsense.
It is not fringe nonsense when the citzerns of the country have gone to >>Parliament and none of the MP in the house refuse to come out and talk with >>the people.
A higher proportion of MPs talked to them than the 'demonstrators'
were a proportion of New Zealanders. They were ignoring health
warnings during a pandemic; anecdotally, quite a few ended up in
Wellington Hospital with Covid.
On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 23:55:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou simply don't read what you don't want to believe. My posts have been very clear on the matter - your opinion is not proven science - it is just an opinion.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 21:43:50 -0000 (UTC), TonySo you say but you have never provided such proof. It is not proven only >>considered by some to be true. A world of difference.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccination-dramatically-lowers-long-covid-risk/
This is still an open question and we will see in due course.
Sadly we have too many New Zealanders influenced by peddlers of false >>>>>information - often coming from overseas and not recognising that New >>>>>Zealand did so much better than other countries in saving lives and, >>>>>we now discover, also saving many from Long Covid.
Already proven
- but you have to follow the science, Tony.I do which is why I can say it is not proven - you should open your mind.
I'm glad to hear that, Tony; it has not come through in your posts
yet
. . .No proof there at all.
The Scientific American article covers the value of the vaccine for
both Covid and Long Covid, but as for New Zealand's excellent
performance :
Look first at >https://www.who.int/data/stories/the-true-death-toll-of-covid-19-estimating-global-excess-mortality
which explains why certain measures are used for international
comparisons, and >https://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/article/undoctored/cumulative-pandemic-deaths-graph-more-effective-1000-words
That is just political rhetoric and completely off topic.That Nact1st have allowed the vaccine updates to continue puts that asYou mayWhat governments do or believe is irrelevant to the subject.
not have noticed, but even the NAct1st government in NZ has now given >>>priority to encouraging New Zealanders to keep up to date with the
Covid vaccine - telling while their lack of financial skills are
leading them to defer the cut to the top tax rate, and even to
consider not backdating the tax perks for landlords!
a higher priority than cutting the top tax rate - just think how many
lives that will save - how many lives would cutting the top tax rate
save, Tony?
yes I have kept up with Boosters from the time they became available.
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