A BS article on the non-existent "Long Covid" is at >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/505645/life-with-long-covid-what-it-s-really-like
Broadly, "Long Covid" is gaslighting for the true culprit, "Long
Vaccine", which is a non-permitted topic in NZ. That the vaccine is >responsible is clearly shown by that no unvaxxed have "long Covid", in >particular since Omicron came on at the start of 2022. To repeat,
*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards are fully-vaxxed. Therefore
the topic of vaccination status is proscribed from all news articles
on "Long Covid".
The cited news story gives 4 examples of people suffering from the
"Long Covid" chimera. Let's inspect each in turn:
(1) "caught Covid-19 in late 2022" -- despite full vaxx (unstated by
article of course). 3 children but no husband? Professional welfare >recipient is my guess. Silent on possible vaxx injury.
(2) "suffering since November 2022". Did he catch Covid -- article
does not say. Article is silent on possible vaxx injury. Tinnitus is >mentioned, a well-known vaxx injury.
(3) "caught Covid-19 in February 2022" -- dang those safe & effective >vaccines. Unquestionably she got her symptoms straight after getting
her booster shot, a topic rigorously avoided by the article. However,
the article states she's already had chronic fatigue syndrome, so just
more of the same, right? Why now promoted to "Long Covid"?
(4) the obligatory pre-2022 case, "developed symptoms in 2020" without >specifying that he ever got Covid. Furthermore, he has never been
able to obtain a "Long Covid" diagnosis from the doctors in spite of
trying for 3 years! So the doctors say he doesn't have "Long Covid",
and yet he is presented in this article as being a "Long Covid"
sufferer! I call that Fake News -- what do you call it?
2 years ago I warned on this newsgroup that vaxx injuries would be
disguised as "Long Covid" for as long as possible, and that is how it
is and will be. This article is just the latest instance of ongoing >gaslighting and disinformation by the authorities who know that they >themselves are responsible for all this sickness.
Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards are
fully-vaxxed"
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have
gone on to get long Covid ...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There is no greater deceiver than the party faithful.
Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards are
fully-vaxxed"
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have
gone on to get long Covid ...
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally
lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to
compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards are
fully-vaxxed"
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have
gone on to get long Covid ...
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally
lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to
compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 23:47:48 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>>>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards areThere is no greater deceiver than the party faithful.
fully-vaxxed"
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>>>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have >>>>gone on to get long Covid ...https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >>>comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally
lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to >>>compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >>>pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
Trust you to try to divert the topic from Covid and its effects to
party politics, Tony. National, Labour and The Green Party all
understand the benefit of vaccination,
and generally reply on evidence
(not shown in this case). When pushed, ACT and NZ First also support vaccination, although NZ First in particular will try to avoid
discussion about it, as both those parties tried to attract votes from
the nutter parties that it had become evident would just represent
wasted votes.
So keep to the topic, Tony - and see if you can provide any evidence
that ALL those with long Covid were vaccinated. Even if that were true however, the percentage unvaccinated is quite low, and some of those
may have got long Covid but are not prepared to admit that they were
not vaccinated . . . Evidence of assertions does help at times -
responding with irrelevancies less so . . .
On 2023-12-29, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No that is not off topic - it is actually core.
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 23:47:48 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>>>>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards are >>>>>fully-vaxxed"There is no greater deceiver than the party faithful.
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>>>>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have >>>>>gone on to get long Covid ...https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >>>>comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally >>>>lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to >>>>compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >>>>pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
Trust you to try to divert the topic from Covid and its effects to
party politics, Tony. National, Labour and The Green Party all
understand the benefit of vaccination,
Let us not forget that there are many vaccines on the market/in use. Not all >are of the Phizer type.
The issue we are not allowed to talk about is the excess deaths following
the Covid jab.
(Sorry going off topic)
and generally reply on evidence
(not shown in this case). When pushed, ACT and NZ First also support
vaccination, although NZ First in particular will try to avoid
discussion about it, as both those parties tried to attract votes from
the nutter parties that it had become evident would just represent
wasted votes.
So keep to the topic, Tony - and see if you can provide any evidence
that ALL those with long Covid were vaccinated. Even if that were true
however, the percentage unvaccinated is quite low, and some of those
may have got long Covid but are not prepared to admit that they were
not vaccinated . . . Evidence of assertions does help at times -
responding with irrelevancies less so . . .
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 22:36:15 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:And you will continue to toe the party line regardless of anything anybody writes - won't you?
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You deleted your initial post, Willy Nilly - perhaps because it offers
Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards are
fully-vaxxed"
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have >>>gone on to get long Covid ...https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >>comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally
lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to >>compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >>pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
no evidence to support your assertions. The article you reference did
give four examples, but in none of them did it say whether the person
had or had not been vaccinated. Perhaps you have other evidence . . .
Nice try but still no evidence . . .
wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There is no greater deceiver than the party faithful.
Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards are
fully-vaxxed"
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have >>>gone on to get long Covid ...https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >>comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally
lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to >>compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >>pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 22:36:15 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You deleted your initial post, Willy Nilly - perhaps because it offers
Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards are
fully-vaxxed"
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have >>>gone on to get long Covid ...https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >>comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally
lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to >>compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >>pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
no evidence to support your assertions. The article you reference did
give four examples, but in none of them did it say whether the person
had or had not been vaccinated. Perhaps you have other evidence . . .
Nice try but still no evidence . . .
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 23:47:48 -0000 (UTC), TonyI did not do that you half wit.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>>>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards areThere is no greater deceiver than the party faithful.
fully-vaxxed"
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>>>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have >>>>gone on to get long Covid ...https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >>>comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally
lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to >>>compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >>>pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
Trust you to try to divert the topic from Covid and its effects to
party politics, Tony.
On 2023-12-29, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I am not aware of any restrictions, Gordon - who is not allowing such discussion?
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 23:47:48 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>>>>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards are >>>>>fully-vaxxed"There is no greater deceiver than the party faithful.
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>>>>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have >>>>>gone on to get long Covid ...https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >>>>comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally >>>>lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to >>>>compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >>>>pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
Trust you to try to divert the topic from Covid and its effects to
party politics, Tony. National, Labour and The Green Party all
understand the benefit of vaccination,
Let us not forget that there are many vaccines on the market/in use. Not all >are of the Phizer type.
The issue we are not allowed to talk about is the excess deaths following
the Covid jab.
(Sorry going off topic)
and generally reply on evidence
(not shown in this case). When pushed, ACT and NZ First also support
vaccination, although NZ First in particular will try to avoid
discussion about it, as both those parties tried to attract votes from
the nutter parties that it had become evident would just represent
wasted votes.
So keep to the topic, Tony - and see if you can provide any evidence
that ALL those with long Covid were vaccinated. Even if that were true
however, the percentage unvaccinated is quite low, and some of those
may have got long Covid but are not prepared to admit that they were
not vaccinated . . . Evidence of assertions does help at times -
responding with irrelevancies less so . . .
You deleted your initial post, Willy Nilly - perhaps because it offers
no evidence to support your assertions.
The article you reference did give four examples, but in none of
them did it say whether the person had or had not been vaccinated.
Nice try but still no evidence . . .
and
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/index.html
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/long-covid-new-info-who-most-likely-get-it-2023a1000wq4
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 16:06:43 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Nothing there actually refutes what the OP is saying - it is just alternative data and opinions. and we know both can be wrong. Your problem is that you reject other peoples posts out of bias and refuse to engage in debate. Typical of sociopaths.
wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 14:49:41 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:Sorry, urls here:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 22:36:15 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>>>>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards are >>>>>fully-vaxxed"You deleted your initial post, Willy Nilly - perhaps because it offers
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>>>>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have >>>>>gone on to get long Covid ...https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >>>>comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally >>>>lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to >>>>compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >>>>pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
no evidence to support your assertions. The article you reference did >>>give four examples, but in none of them did it say whether the person
had or had not been vaccinated. Perhaps you have other evidence . . .
Nice try but still no evidence . . .
Here is another website that gives a bit more information.
Both those that were vaccinated and those that were not can get long
Covid:
"People More Likely to Develop Long COVID
Some people may be more at risk for developing Long COVID.
Researchers are working to understand which people or groups of people
are more likely to have Long COVID, and why. Studies have shown that
some groups of people may be affected more by Long COVID. These are >>examples and not a comprehensive list of people or groups who might be
more at risk than other groups for developing Long COVID:
People who have experienced more severe COVID-19 illness, especially
those who were hospitalized or needed intensive care.
People who had underlying health conditions prior to COVID-19.
People who did not get a COVID-19 vaccine."
and
"Preventing Long COVID
The best way to prevent Long COVID is to protect yourself and others
from becoming infected. For people who are eligible, CDC recommends
staying up to date on COVID-19 vaccination, along with improving >>ventilation, getting tested for COVID-19 if needed, and seeking
treatment for COVID-19 if eligible. Additional preventative measures >>include avoiding close contact with people who have a confirmed or >>suspected COVID-19 illness and washing hands or using alcohol-based
hand sanitizer.
Research suggests that people who get a COVID-19 infection after >>vaccination are less likely to report Long COVID, compared to people
who are unvaccinated.
CDC, other federal agencies, and non-federal partners are working to >>identify further measures to lessen a person’s risk of developing Long >>COVID. Learn more about protecting yourself and others from COVID-19."
There is also a section giving links to data.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/clinical-care/post-covid-science.html
and
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/index.html
and >https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/long-covid-new-info-who-most-likely-get-it-2023a1000wq4
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 02:54:53 -0000 (UTC), TonySo you say but wrongly - what I wrote is exactly correct and is on topic because it refutes your garbage.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are off topic, Tony.
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 22:36:15 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:And you will continue to toe the party line regardless of anything anybody >>writes - won't you?
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>>>>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards are >>>>>fully-vaxxed"You deleted your initial post, Willy Nilly - perhaps because it offers
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>>>>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have >>>>>gone on to get long Covid ...https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >>>>comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally >>>>lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to >>>>compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >>>>pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
no evidence to support your assertions. The article you reference did >>>give four examples, but in none of them did it say whether the person
had or had not been vaccinated. Perhaps you have other evidence . . .
Nice try but still no evidence . . .
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 14:49:41 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Sorry, urls here:
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 22:36:15 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>>>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards areYou deleted your initial post, Willy Nilly - perhaps because it offers
fully-vaxxed"
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>>>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have >>>>gone on to get long Covid ...https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >>>comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally
lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to >>>compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >>>pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
no evidence to support your assertions. The article you reference did
give four examples, but in none of them did it say whether the person
had or had not been vaccinated. Perhaps you have other evidence . . .
Nice try but still no evidence . . .
Here is another website that gives a bit more information.
Both those that were vaccinated and those that were not can get long
Covid:
"People More Likely to Develop Long COVID
Some people may be more at risk for developing Long COVID.
Researchers are working to understand which people or groups of people
are more likely to have Long COVID, and why. Studies have shown that
some groups of people may be affected more by Long COVID. These are
examples and not a comprehensive list of people or groups who might be
more at risk than other groups for developing Long COVID:
People who have experienced more severe COVID-19 illness, especially
those who were hospitalized or needed intensive care.
People who had underlying health conditions prior to COVID-19.
People who did not get a COVID-19 vaccine."
and
"Preventing Long COVID
The best way to prevent Long COVID is to protect yourself and others
from becoming infected. For people who are eligible, CDC recommends
staying up to date on COVID-19 vaccination, along with improving
ventilation, getting tested for COVID-19 if needed, and seeking
treatment for COVID-19 if eligible. Additional preventative measures
include avoiding close contact with people who have a confirmed or
suspected COVID-19 illness and washing hands or using alcohol-based
hand sanitizer.
Research suggests that people who get a COVID-19 infection after
vaccination are less likely to report Long COVID, compared to people
who are unvaccinated.
CDC, other federal agencies, and non-federal partners are working to
identify further measures to lessen a person’s risk of developing Long
COVID. Learn more about protecting yourself and others from COVID-19."
There is also a section giving links to data.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are off topic, Tony.
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 22:36:15 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:And you will continue to toe the party line regardless of anything anybody >writes - won't you?
On Thu, 28 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>Correlation does not imply causation; Willy Nilly, and I have seen no >>>>evidence that "*ALL* long-Covidians from 2022 onwards areYou deleted your initial post, Willy Nilly - perhaps because it offers
fully-vaxxed"
Just find *one* that's unvaxxed, Rich. Surprise, there are none.
"And yet we know perfectly well that there were many people who were >>>>vaccinated who did get breakthrough infections and some of those have >>>>gone on to get long Covid ...https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018899512/prof-danny-altmann-the-burden-of-long-covid
True so far...
" but we know that in those breakthrough cases in the vaccinated
people, your chance of long Covid is further reduced perhaps
by another 50 percent.
Gaslighting -- he "knows" nothing of the sort -- he clouds what he's >>>comparing to, and says "perhaps" as an all-purpose disclaimer. If
he's pretending to be comparing to the unvaxxed, then he's totally
lying, because there is no set (thus no published set) of unvaxxed to >>>compare to -- the denominator is flat zero -- UNLESS he's including >>>pre-Omicron or Y2020 people, a shell game to deceive.
no evidence to support your assertions. The article you reference did
give four examples, but in none of them did it say whether the person
had or had not been vaccinated. Perhaps you have other evidence . . .
Nice try but still no evidence . . .
I am not aware of any restrictions, Gordon - who is not allowing such discussion?
The CDC are totally untrustworthy -- bought & paid for by Big Pharma.
What is most profitable for Big Pharma? Out of
a) Curing diseases
b) Preventing diseases
c) Offering treatments for diseases without actually curing them
Vaccines come under b), which is easily the least profitable of the 3.
Guess which one is the most profitable?
On Fri, 29 Dec 2023, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
What is most profitable for Big Pharma?
Much cheaper ...
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