• The weeping woman statue

    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 26 07:38:21 2023
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/301032431/the-challenges-of-relocating-offensive-weeping-woman-monument

    My hope here is that this does not be fuel for an us and them situation. For this has some interesting aspects to it.

    One sentence in the history section stood out.

    " It commemorates 15 Māori and one European killed in an 1864 battle with upriver Māori at Moutoa island, 80km from Whanganui.

    Europeans saw the incident as proof of loyalty by "friendly natives at Wanganui" defending the fledgling settlement against a taua (war party)
    from the upper reaches."

    So it appears that some Maori were on both sides, and that on the settlers
    side there was both Europeans and Maori.

    The statue, or the wording on the statue, is offensive to a group (Whanganui iwi members) who want the state relocated. The reason why it is offensive
    is not given in the article, which would be helpful.

    All parties seem in agreement to the statue being relocated and for some content to to balance the existing wording. My guess is that it is the placement of the statue which has a lot to to do with its offending.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed Dec 27 09:05:12 2023
    On 26 Dec 2023 07:38:21 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-democracy-reporting/301032431/the-challenges-of-relocating-offensive-weeping-woman-monument

    My hope here is that this does not be fuel for an us and them situation. For >this has some interesting aspects to it.

    One sentence in the history section stood out.

    " It commemorates 15 M?ori and one European killed in an 1864 battle with >upriver M?ori at Moutoa island, 80km from Whanganui.

    Europeans saw the incident as proof of loyalty by "friendly natives at >Wanganui" defending the fledgling settlement against a taua (war party)
    from the upper reaches."

    So it appears that some Maori were on both sides, and that on the settlers >side there was both Europeans and Maori.

    The statue, or the wording on the statue, is offensive to a group (Whanganui >iwi members) who want the state relocated. The reason why it is offensive
    is not given in the article, which would be helpful.

    The article includes: "The 158-year-old Weeping Woman monument will be
    removed from Pakaitore after objections to its inscription condemning
    upriver Maori for "fanaticism and barbarism". "

    There is information about Featherstone in a number of internet sites, including:
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/1f4/featherston-isaac-earl

    and there is information about the 1864 conflict here: https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/wanganui-war/moutoa-island


    All parties seem in agreement to the statue being relocated and for some >content to to balance the existing wording. My guess is that it is the >placement of the statue which has a lot to to do with its offending.

    No, while the site of the statue is not seen as now being appropriate,
    it is part of the wording that offended - see the quote above, and
    also again from the article:

    "We are still working through legalities and discussions we want to
    have to make it happen smoothly. Once we firm up the plan, we will
    relay that to the community."

    Rerekura said iwi had asked for appropriate context to go alongside
    the monument when it is relocated.

    "Something we expect to hear from the wider community is that in
    removing this monument we're removing history.

    "It is not about removing history. History gives an account of what
    happened in the past and if only one side of that history is being
    told then that history is flawed.

    "We want to add our voice to that account and then the history will be
    fair."

    Appropriate signage and wording would be one way to present a balanced
    history, Rerekura said.

    "My personal belief is that our stories were held in korero, waiata
    (song) and whakairo (carving). If the story is going to be shared,
    that's the way that we will share the story."
    ____

    This is good factual reporting of a local interest that possibly has
    wider implications; certainly it is understandable that some would see
    the inscription as not representing the motivations of all involved in
    that conflict; giving a balanced history agreeable to all seems to me
    to be good local politics, and an example of how recognition of
    different perspectives may well enable a better long term solution
    than an arrogant decision that denies the reality of different
    perspectives of this unfortunate incident so long ago. It is entirely appropriate that such an article should get New Zealand-wide coverage
    - well done to Radio New Zealand - and to government for funding such
    stories: - from the article:
    "Local Democracy Reporting is funded through NZ On Air"
    or from https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/ldr/505547/the-challenges-of-relocating-offensive-weeping-woman-monument
    "Local Democracy Reporting is Public Interest Journalism funded
    through NZ On Air"

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