• So what have Willie and the Maori Party got to say about this?

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 21 12:48:44 2023
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/50-million-lift-immunisation-rates

    Perhaps the Maori Health Authority was never needed after all.


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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Crash on Wed Dec 20 23:51:46 2023
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/50-million-lift-immunisation-rates

    Perhaps the Maori Health Authority was never needed after all.


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    I would argue that is correct - but it was never put in place for need, only for political gain.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Thu Dec 21 03:34:59 2023
    On 2023-12-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/50-million-lift-immunisation-rates

    Perhaps the Maori Health Authority was never needed after all.


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    Crash McBash
    I would argue that is correct - but it was never put in place for need, only for political gain.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Dec 21 03:44:10 2023
    On 2023-12-20, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/50-million-lift-immunisation-rates

    Perhaps the Maori Health Authority was never needed after all.


    Look at that, there is a plan what wen need to do. Offers money to the partners, who will do a good job. (No certralisation). Give people control
    of increasing the rates.

    Including a sprinkinling of Maori words to get us non maori speaking folks
    used to them, without forcing the issue.

    Maori is included as part of the whole population.

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Dec 21 07:50:45 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/50-million-lift-immunisation-rates

    You're asking (in the subject line) what I think? Firstly,
    politically, this is expected from the Nats and ACT, who are all-in on
    the vaccination train. I was pleased to be able to vote for a party
    which was not, and that they got in, but that's how coalitions work.


    Secondly, this is about all vaccinations, so still has a whiff of
    validity to most people.

    But since you've asked, Crash, I have veered hard-right into the
    anti-vaxx lane in the past few years. Once the covid shots broke the
    bubble of the idea that medicine is for us, and to be trusted, then
    what happens is that when you subsequently investigate the actual
    history of vaccinations (as opposed to the PR) you find out what a
    sordid affair it all has been. Furthermore, that it has been
    weakening us as a people in substantive ways.

    As an example, you think it's conspiracy-thinking to link the rise of
    childhood vaccines with the rise of autism? They have been tracking
    each other very well. Children were always amazingly vigorous -- but
    now? We are being hollowed out.

    Vaccination is a betrayal of the body which is fantastically designed
    to counter our world of microbes and viruses -- but the needle
    penetrates it all to inject poison directly into us. It's unethical
    evil treachery against our sacred (if anything is sacred) bodies.

    Today's medicine prescribes drugs and injections, and when they have
    dangerous side-effects, then prescribes more drugs and injections to
    counter those symptoms. This whole house of cards will come tumbling
    down one day, but we will fall with it.

    Raze the whole vaccination industry and salt the Earth where they
    stood, that's my opinion. Since you asked.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Thu Dec 21 21:08:51 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 07:50:45 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/50-million-lift-immunisation-rates

    You're asking (in the subject line) what I think? Firstly,
    politically, this is expected from the Nats and ACT, who are all-in on
    the vaccination train. I was pleased to be able to vote for a party
    which was not, and that they got in, but that's how coalitions work.


    Secondly, this is about all vaccinations, so still has a whiff of
    validity to most people.

    But since you've asked, Crash, I have veered hard-right into the
    anti-vaxx lane in the past few years. Once the covid shots broke the
    bubble of the idea that medicine is for us, and to be trusted, then
    what happens is that when you subsequently investigate the actual
    history of vaccinations (as opposed to the PR) you find out what a
    sordid affair it all has been. Furthermore, that it has been
    weakening us as a people in substantive ways.

    As an example, you think it's conspiracy-thinking to link the rise of >childhood vaccines with the rise of autism? They have been tracking
    each other very well. Children were always amazingly vigorous -- but
    now? We are being hollowed out.

    Vaccination is a betrayal of the body which is fantastically designed
    to counter our world of microbes and viruses -- but the needle
    penetrates it all to inject poison directly into us. It's unethical
    evil treachery against our sacred (if anything is sacred) bodies.

    Today's medicine prescribes drugs and injections, and when they have >dangerous side-effects, then prescribes more drugs and injections to
    counter those symptoms. This whole house of cards will come tumbling
    down one day, but we will fall with it.

    Raze the whole vaccination industry and salt the Earth where they
    stood, that's my opinion. Since you asked.

    No offense Willie, but I asked about Willie and TPM in respect of a
    health imitative at least in part targeted at Maori. I thought that
    was clear.

    I understand your views in respect of COVID19 vaccines but this is an
    anomaly with no parallels to vaccines that have gone before. I am 73
    and have had every vaccination on offer in NZ since my birth. All
    worked as expected but I acknowledge others have a different view.



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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 21 20:28:10 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:11:22 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 12:48:44 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/50-million-lift-immunisation-rates

    Perhaps the Maori Health Authority was never needed after all.

    This is a cherry picked project - worthwhile, but only makes a small
    dent in the need for increased spending on health services; I suspect
    it was payoff for Dr Reti who was badly prevailed on to vote for
    enabling more smoking.

    Is that the best you can do Rich? Well I hope you are wrong and that
    this is the first of many Health initiatives that will be
    well-targeted to the benefit of those currently missing out. Yes it
    is a small step, but unlike Labour who have a history of big spending
    that delivers little measurable outcome, there will be hundreds of
    such well-targeted initiatives like this that deliver good results.


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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Dec 21 07:43:55 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 12:48:44 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/50-million-lift-immunisation-rates

    Perhaps the Maori Health Authority was never needed after all.

    This is a cherry picked project - worthwhile, but only makes a small
    dent in the need for increased spending on health services; I suspect
    it was payoff for Dr Reti who was badly prevailed on to vote for
    enabling more smoking.
    Which is absolutely not what has happened. The only repeal is for an initiative which has not yet started, therefore no increase can possibly result from repealing it since there os no baseline for measurement - another logic fail from you. Or was it deliberate political rhetoric?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 21 20:11:22 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 12:48:44 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/50-million-lift-immunisation-rates

    Perhaps the Maori Health Authority was never needed after all.

    This is a cherry picked project - worthwhile, but only makes a small
    dent in the need for increased spending on health services; I suspect
    it was payoff for Dr Reti who was badly prevailed on to vote for
    enabling more smoking.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Thu Dec 21 22:13:52 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 07:50:45 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/50-million-lift-immunisation-rates

    You're asking (in the subject line) what I think? Firstly,
    politically, this is expected from the Nats and ACT, who are all-in on
    the vaccination train. I was pleased to be able to vote for a party
    which was not, and that they got in, but that's how coalitions work.


    Secondly, this is about all vaccinations, so still has a whiff of
    validity to most people.

    But since you've asked, Crash, I have veered hard-right into the
    anti-vaxx lane in the past few years. Once the covid shots broke the
    bubble of the idea that medicine is for us, and to be trusted, then
    what happens is that when you subsequently investigate the actual
    history of vaccinations (as opposed to the PR) you find out what a
    sordid affair it all has been. Furthermore, that it has been
    weakening us as a people in substantive ways.

    As an example, you think it's conspiracy-thinking to link the rise of >childhood vaccines with the rise of autism? They have been tracking
    each other very well. Children were always amazingly vigorous -- but
    now? We are being hollowed out.

    Vaccination is a betrayal of the body which is fantastically designed
    to counter our world of microbes and viruses -- but the needle
    penetrates it all to inject poison directly into us. It's unethical
    evil treachery against our sacred (if anything is sacred) bodies.

    Today's medicine prescribes drugs and injections, and when they have >dangerous side-effects, then prescribes more drugs and injections to
    counter those symptoms. This whole house of cards will come tumbling
    down one day, but we will fall with it.

    Raze the whole vaccination industry and salt the Earth where they
    stood, that's my opinion. Since you asked.


    The history of vaccinations is of significant savings of lives - and
    few have been as successful as the campaign to vaccinate against
    Covid19 in New Zealand.

    You refer to an increase in a lot of human deficiencies - in part that
    is due to medicine being able to save babies with deficiencies; some
    food additives, a tendency for fathers to be older at the time of
    conception, and quite a few other factors - but not vaccination.

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