First off I agree with there being no harm done by the PM learning te reo.C Luxon has only been Prime Minister for a very short time - this
It is good for the leader to take the lead and learn a second language, >espically the Maori language.
I would have thought that the PM would have been able to pay for the
lessons. The PM certainly gets paid above the the average wage for a job >he/she/etc has applied for.
Is there any mandate for this to happen?
Sure, the amount of money will probably be less than some of the other costs >to roll back the Labour law.
If the PM had paid for the lessons brownie points would have been awarded.
It is good for the leader to take the lead and learn a second language, >espically the Maori language.
On 18 Dec 2023 04:01:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Show a lie, and shut up if you cannot.
First off I agree with there being no harm done by the PM learning te reo. >>It is good for the leader to take the lead and learn a second language, >>espically the Maori language.C Luxon has only been Prime Minister for a very short time - this
I would have thought that the PM would have been able to pay for the >>lessons. The PM certainly gets paid above the the average wage for a job >>he/she/etc has applied for.
Is there any mandate for this to happen?
Sure, the amount of money will probably be less than some of the other costs >>to roll back the Labour law.
If the PM had paid for the lessons brownie points would have been awarded.
happened when he was Opposition Leader, and it was paid by the office
of the Opposition Leader. We do not know if he is still having lessons
paid for.
This is indeed gotcha journalism - it is unusual to have a Prime
Minister arguing that a perk he took should not be available to
others, and not offering any evidence for some of his assertions. The >interest comes for speculation that if he lies about this, can we ever
trust him to tell the truth?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 18 Dec 2023 04:01:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Show a lie, and shut up if you cannot.
First off I agree with there being no harm done by the PM learning te reo. >>>It is good for the leader to take the lead and learn a second language, >>>espically the Maori language.happened when he was Opposition Leader, and it was paid by the office
I would have thought that the PM would have been able to pay for the >>>lessons. The PM certainly gets paid above the the average wage for a job >>>he/she/etc has applied for.
Is there any mandate for this to happen?
Sure, the amount of money will probably be less than some of the other costs >>>to roll back the Labour law.
If the PM had paid for the lessons brownie points would have been awarded. >>C Luxon has only been Prime Minister for a very short time - this
of the Opposition Leader. We do not know if he is still having lessons
paid for.
This is indeed gotcha journalism - it is unusual to have a Prime
Minister arguing that a perk he took should not be available to
others, and not offering any evidence for some of his assertions. The >>interest comes for speculation that if he lies about this, can we ever >>trust him to tell the truth?
You really are nasty. It is not a perk, it is an allowance provided ny >parliament to the leader of the opposition. If public servants want the same >thing they should make representation in the normal way through their >representatives/unions etc for an allowance also.
Next thing you will be complaining about other allowances like chauffered cars,
security details, paid telephones etc.
It is not a perk it is an employment based allowance.
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 05:29:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou have not provided any evidence of that - so you may be the liar.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 18 Dec 2023 04:01:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Show a lie, and shut up if you cannot.
First off I agree with there being no harm done by the PM learning te reo. >>>>It is good for the leader to take the lead and learn a second language, >>>>espically the Maori language.of the Opposition Leader. We do not know if he is still having lessons >>>paid for.
I would have thought that the PM would have been able to pay for the >>>>lessons. The PM certainly gets paid above the the average wage for a job >>>>he/she/etc has applied for.
Is there any mandate for this to happen?
Sure, the amount of money will probably be less than some of the other costs
to roll back the Labour law.
If the PM had paid for the lessons brownie points would have been awarded. >>>C Luxon has only been Prime Minister for a very short time - this >>>happened when he was Opposition Leader, and it was paid by the office
This is indeed gotcha journalism - it is unusual to have a Prime
Minister arguing that a perk he took should not be available to
others, and not offering any evidence for some of his assertions. The >>>interest comes for speculation that if he lies about this, can we ever >>>trust him to tell the truth?
You really are nasty. It is not a perk, it is an allowance provided ny >>parliament to the leader of the opposition. If public servants want the same >>thing they should make representation in the normal way through their >>representatives/unions etc for an allowance also.
Next thing you will be complaining about other allowances like chauffered >>cars,
security details, paid telephones etc.
It is not a perk it is an employment based allowance.
He replied in such a way that the clear implication was that he had
paid for the lessons himself; but he lied;
they had been paid forNonsense - it was an allowance that has been in place for some time for leaders of the opposition, it could even have been a Labour initiative but I don't care.
through the Opposition Leaders office allowance. the implicit lie
could also be regarded as hypocritical and misleading, neither of
which look good in a Prime Minister.
As the NZ Taxpayer Union said:They don't understand allowances any morte than you do.
Luxon should pay back Te Reo tuition fees
The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Prime Minister Christopher Luxon to
pay back the cost of his Te Reo tuition fees following revelations
that he has been getting his lessons paid for by the taxpayer.
Taxpayers’ Union Campaigns Manager, Connor Molloy, said:
“Prime Minister Luxon has clearly been caught out saying one thing butAllowance based on an '"employment" agreement of sorts.
doing another. He should do the right thing and pay the money back.
“Taking taxpayer money for Te Reo lessons while criticising public
servants for doing the same undermines the credibility of the
Government who proclaims to be focused on reducing wasteful spending.
The culture of respect for taxpayers’ money must be set from the top.
“If a proficiency in Te Reo is necessary, of course tuition should be
funded by the taxpayer but there is no real justification as to why Mr
Luxon should have taxpayer funded Te Reo that would not also apply to
public servants. If Mr Luxon wants to learn Te Reo, he should do so
from his own pocket.”
____________
The essential inconsistency in him claiming he deserves the money when
he is also saying that others wanting to learn should have to pay for
it themselves, he comes across as beng overly entitled, inconsistent
and arrogant, summarised well by : -
“Prime Minister Luxon has clearly been caught out saying one thing but
doing another. He should do the right thing and pay the money back.“
.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 05:29:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou have not provided any evidence of that - so you may be the liar.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 18 Dec 2023 04:01:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Show a lie, and shut up if you cannot.
First off I agree with there being no harm done by the PM learning te reo. >>>>>It is good for the leader to take the lead and learn a second language, >>>>>espically the Maori language.
I would have thought that the PM would have been able to pay for the >>>>>lessons. The PM certainly gets paid above the the average wage for a job >>>>>he/she/etc has applied for.
Is there any mandate for this to happen?
Sure, the amount of money will probably be less than some of the other costs
to roll back the Labour law.
If the PM had paid for the lessons brownie points would have been awarded. >>>>C Luxon has only been Prime Minister for a very short time - this >>>>happened when he was Opposition Leader, and it was paid by the office >>>>of the Opposition Leader. We do not know if he is still having lessons >>>>paid for.
This is indeed gotcha journalism - it is unusual to have a Prime >>>>Minister arguing that a perk he took should not be available to
others, and not offering any evidence for some of his assertions. The >>>>interest comes for speculation that if he lies about this, can we ever >>>>trust him to tell the truth?
You really are nasty. It is not a perk, it is an allowance provided ny >>>parliament to the leader of the opposition. If public servants want the same >>>thing they should make representation in the normal way through their >>>representatives/unions etc for an allowance also.
Next thing you will be complaining about other allowances like chauffered >>>cars,
security details, paid telephones etc.
It is not a perk it is an employment based allowance.
He replied in such a way that the clear implication was that he had
paid for the lessons himself; but he lied;
they had been paid forNonsense - it was an allowance that has been in place for some time for leaders
through the Opposition Leaders office allowance. the implicit lie
could also be regarded as hypocritical and misleading, neither of
which look good in a Prime Minister.
of the opposition, it could even have been a Labour initiative but I don't care.
They don't understand allowances any morte than you do.
As the NZ Taxpayer Union said:
Luxon should pay back Te Reo tuition fees
The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Prime Minister Christopher Luxon to
pay back the cost of his Te Reo tuition fees following revelations
that he has been getting his lessons paid for by the taxpayer.
Taxpayers’ Union Campaigns Manager, Connor Molloy, said:
Our new Prime Minister did not agree with you - he thought it was soAllowance based on an '"employment" agreement of sorts.
“Prime Minister Luxon has clearly been caught out saying one thing but >>doing another. He should do the right thing and pay the money back.
“Taking taxpayer money for Te Reo lessons while criticising public
servants for doing the same undermines the credibility of the
Government who proclaims to be focused on reducing wasteful spending.
The culture of respect for taxpayers’ money must be set from the top.
“If a proficiency in Te Reo is necessary, of course tuition should be >>funded by the taxpayer but there is no real justification as to why Mr >>Luxon should have taxpayer funded Te Reo that would not also apply to >>public servants. If Mr Luxon wants to learn Te Reo, he should do so
from his own pocket.”
____________
The essential inconsistency in him claiming he deserves the money when
he is also saying that others wanting to learn should have to pay for
it themselves, he comes across as beng overly entitled, inconsistent
and arrogant, summarised well by : -
“Prime Minister Luxon has clearly been caught out saying one thing but >>doing another. He should do the right thing and pay the money back.“
.
Nothing more than political hype and what a trivial and childish one at that. >Perhaps we could concentrate on something of importance - like law and order or
removing the last governmet's racist policies.
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 18:29:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo they do not - you have provided no evidence of that silly idea or indeed anything else in this thread - you are all rhetoric and no substance.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 05:29:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou have not provided any evidence of that - so you may be the liar.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 18 Dec 2023 04:01:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Show a lie, and shut up if you cannot.
First off I agree with there being no harm done by the PM learning te reo.C Luxon has only been Prime Minister for a very short time - this >>>>>happened when he was Opposition Leader, and it was paid by the office >>>>>of the Opposition Leader. We do not know if he is still having lessons >>>>>paid for.
It is good for the leader to take the lead and learn a second language, >>>>>>espically the Maori language.
I would have thought that the PM would have been able to pay for the >>>>>>lessons. The PM certainly gets paid above the the average wage for a job >>>>>>he/she/etc has applied for.
Is there any mandate for this to happen?
Sure, the amount of money will probably be less than some of the other >>>>>>costs
to roll back the Labour law.
If the PM had paid for the lessons brownie points would have been awarded.
This is indeed gotcha journalism - it is unusual to have a Prime >>>>>Minister arguing that a perk he took should not be available to >>>>>others, and not offering any evidence for some of his assertions. The >>>>>interest comes for speculation that if he lies about this, can we ever >>>>>trust him to tell the truth?
You really are nasty. It is not a perk, it is an allowance provided ny >>>>parliament to the leader of the opposition. If public servants want the >>>>same
thing they should make representation in the normal way through their >>>>representatives/unions etc for an allowance also.
Next thing you will be complaining about other allowances like chauffered >>>>cars,
security details, paid telephones etc.
It is not a perk it is an employment based allowance.
He replied in such a way that the clear implication was that he had
paid for the lessons himself; but he lied;
they had been paid forNonsense - it was an allowance that has been in place for some time for >>leaders
through the Opposition Leaders office allowance. the implicit lie
could also be regarded as hypocritical and misleading, neither of
which look good in a Prime Minister.
of the opposition, it could even have been a Labour initiative but I don't >>care.
They don't understand allowances any morte than you do.
As the NZ Taxpayer Union said:
Luxon should pay back Te Reo tuition fees
The Taxpayers’ Union is calling on Prime Minister Christopher Luxon to >>>pay back the cost of his Te Reo tuition fees following revelations
that he has been getting his lessons paid for by the taxpayer.
Taxpayers’ Union Campaigns Manager, Connor Molloy, said:
But they do understand Luxon being deceptive more than you do.
That is a change of subject - why do you think you can get away with such an idiotic bit of subterfuge? Is it lack of intelligence, integrity or perhaps both?Our new Prime Minister did not agree with you - he thought it was so >important an issue that he wanted payments to public servants removedAllowance based on an '"employment" agreement of sorts.
“Prime Minister Luxon has clearly been caught out saying one thing but >>>doing another. He should do the right thing and pay the money back.
“Taking taxpayer money for Te Reo lessons while criticising public >>>servants for doing the same undermines the credibility of the
Government who proclaims to be focused on reducing wasteful spending.
The culture of respect for taxpayers’ money must be set from the top.
“If a proficiency in Te Reo is necessary, of course tuition should be >>>funded by the taxpayer but there is no real justification as to why Mr >>>Luxon should have taxpayer funded Te Reo that would not also apply to >>>public servants. If Mr Luxon wants to learn Te Reo, he should do so
from his own pocket.”
____________
The essential inconsistency in him claiming he deserves the money when
he is also saying that others wanting to learn should have to pay for
it themselves, he comes across as beng overly entitled, inconsistent
and arrogant, summarised well by : -
“Prime Minister Luxon has clearly been caught out saying one thing but >>>doing another. He should do the right thing and pay the money back.“
.
Nothing more than political hype and what a trivial and childish one at that. >>Perhaps we could concentrate on something of importance - like law and order >>or
removing the last governmet's racist policies.
because they should be paying for it themselves.
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