• Labour's spending habits laid bare

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 14 08:37:09 2023
    We now have the Auditor-General reporting on various projects that
    date back to 2020:

    http://tinyurl.com/y23j6bud

    Note that this is a Herald Premium article, the actual report can be
    accessed here:

    https://oag.parliament.nz/2023/infrastructure-decisions

    It is clearly the view of the AG that these projects were prematurely
    announced (in respect of funding certainty) and subsequent spending
    was not properly recorded.

    So here is the evidence of a government quick to announce projects for political purposes despite advice at the time that announcement was
    premature. This is an example of how taxpayer money has been spend
    without regard to value or deliverable benefits.


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 14 11:40:12 2023
    On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 08:37:09 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    We now have the Auditor-General reporting on various projects that
    date back to 2020:

    http://tinyurl.com/y23j6bud

    Note that this is a Herald Premium article, the actual report can be >accessed here:

    https://oag.parliament.nz/2023/infrastructure-decisions

    It is clearly the view of the AG that these projects were prematurely >announced (in respect of funding certainty) and subsequent spending
    was not properly recorded.

    So here is the evidence of a government quick to announce projects for >political purposes despite advice at the time that announcement was >premature. This is an example of how taxpayer money has been spend
    without regard to value or deliverable benefits.

    Thanks Crash.

    Yes, a lot of the support for business did not have a long enough
    period for preparation and review, but it did have a positive effect
    in keeping more of our businesses working; our economic recovery was
    faster than most other economies, and the resulting increases in
    taxation did reduce the level of debt that resulted from the expenses
    of Covid itself.

    The opening paragraph on the direct link is a good sentiment:
    "A lack of transparency and documentation about how and why
    decision-makers made significant decisions can also create the
    perception that processes lack integrity. In a country that prides
    itself on the integrity of its public sector, we should all be
    concerned about this matter."

    Current concerns are here directly relevant - the new Government is
    doing exactly what is described by not have regulatory impact
    statements presented for many - or possibly all? - of the "100 days"
    decisions. In some cases the public service will be able to provide
    some information quite quickly - the analysis of the reversal of smoke
    free policies is probably substantially there now, but the nature of
    the statements has meant that some believe this is a deliberate
    decision to keep the expected impact and results of decisions from the
    public. It is certainly true that many of those protesting against
    that decision believe that "processes lack integrity." The process
    being used appears directly contrary to the ACT policy agreed by the
    coalition of robust processes to achieve better quality regulations.

    The impetus for government announcements as a response to Covid was
    clearly a general economic response to keep businesses afloat; and was
    based in part of economic advice. The reason for the current pushing
    through of legislation without assessment of economic impact appears
    to be solely to justify a selective cut to the top income tax rate,
    and unless they are making that effective earlier than normal, there
    would appear to be room to take a little longer and include an
    assessment of regulatory impact before the legislation is finalised.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 14 12:49:30 2023
    On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 11:40:12 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 08:37:09 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    We now have the Auditor-General reporting on various projects that
    date back to 2020:

    http://tinyurl.com/y23j6bud

    Note that this is a Herald Premium article, the actual report can be >>accessed here:

    https://oag.parliament.nz/2023/infrastructure-decisions

    It is clearly the view of the AG that these projects were prematurely >>announced (in respect of funding certainty) and subsequent spending
    was not properly recorded.

    So here is the evidence of a government quick to announce projects for >>political purposes despite advice at the time that announcement was >>premature. This is an example of how taxpayer money has been spend
    without regard to value or deliverable benefits.

    Thanks Crash.

    Yes, a lot of the support for business did not have a long enough
    period for preparation and review, but it did have a positive effect
    in keeping more of our businesses working; our economic recovery was
    faster than most other economies, and the resulting increases in
    taxation did reduce the level of debt that resulted from the expenses
    of Covid itself.

    The opening paragraph on the direct link is a good sentiment:
    "A lack of transparency and documentation about how and why
    decision-makers made significant decisions can also create the
    perception that processes lack integrity. In a country that prides
    itself on the integrity of its public sector, we should all be
    concerned about this matter."

    Current concerns are here directly relevant - the new Government is
    doing exactly what is described by not have regulatory impact
    statements presented for many - or possibly all? - of the "100 days" >decisions. In some cases the public service will be able to provide
    some information quite quickly - the analysis of the reversal of smoke
    free policies is probably substantially there now, but the nature of
    the statements has meant that some believe this is a deliberate
    decision to keep the expected impact and results of decisions from the >public. It is certainly true that many of those protesting against
    that decision believe that "processes lack integrity." The process
    being used appears directly contrary to the ACT policy agreed by the >coalition of robust processes to achieve better quality regulations.

    The impetus for government announcements as a response to Covid was
    clearly a general economic response to keep businesses afloat; and was
    based in part of economic advice. The reason for the current pushing
    through of legislation without assessment of economic impact appears
    to be solely to justify a selective cut to the top income tax rate,
    and unless they are making that effective earlier than normal, there
    would appear to be room to take a little longer and include an
    assessment of regulatory impact before the legislation is finalised.

    None of this is related to what I posted (being the Auditor-General's
    reports to Parliament on the New Zealand Upgrade Program (NZUP) and
    the Shovel-Ready Program (SRP)). While Covid measures were mentioned
    in the report, the substance is the way announcements of projects were
    made against advice and poor financial management - and my post
    identified elements of this.

    Yet again you respond with political rhetoric unrelated to the subject
    matter.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Dec 14 00:47:22 2023
    On 2023-12-13, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 11:40:12 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 08:37:09 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:

    We now have the Auditor-General reporting on various projects that
    date back to 2020:

    http://tinyurl.com/y23j6bud

    Note that this is a Herald Premium article, the actual report can be >>>accessed here:

    https://oag.parliament.nz/2023/infrastructure-decisions

    It is clearly the view of the AG that these projects were prematurely >>>announced (in respect of funding certainty) and subsequent spending
    was not properly recorded.

    So here is the evidence of a government quick to announce projects for >>>political purposes despite advice at the time that announcement was >>>premature. This is an example of how taxpayer money has been spend >>>without regard to value or deliverable benefits.

    Thanks Crash.

    Yes, a lot of the support for business did not have a long enough
    period for preparation and review, but it did have a positive effect
    in keeping more of our businesses working; our economic recovery was
    faster than most other economies, and the resulting increases in
    taxation did reduce the level of debt that resulted from the expenses
    of Covid itself.

    The opening paragraph on the direct link is a good sentiment:
    "A lack of transparency and documentation about how and why
    decision-makers made significant decisions can also create the
    perception that processes lack integrity. In a country that prides
    itself on the integrity of its public sector, we should all be
    concerned about this matter."

    Current concerns are here directly relevant - the new Government is
    doing exactly what is described by not have regulatory impact
    statements presented for many - or possibly all? - of the "100 days" >>decisions. In some cases the public service will be able to provide
    some information quite quickly - the analysis of the reversal of smoke
    free policies is probably substantially there now, but the nature of
    the statements has meant that some believe this is a deliberate
    decision to keep the expected impact and results of decisions from the >>public. It is certainly true that many of those protesting against
    that decision believe that "processes lack integrity." The process
    being used appears directly contrary to the ACT policy agreed by the >>coalition of robust processes to achieve better quality regulations.

    The impetus for government announcements as a response to Covid was
    clearly a general economic response to keep businesses afloat; and was >>based in part of economic advice. The reason for the current pushing >>through of legislation without assessment of economic impact appears
    to be solely to justify a selective cut to the top income tax rate,
    and unless they are making that effective earlier than normal, there
    would appear to be room to take a little longer and include an
    assessment of regulatory impact before the legislation is finalised.

    None of this is related to what I posted (being the Auditor-General's
    reports to Parliament on the New Zealand Upgrade Program (NZUP) and
    the Shovel-Ready Program (SRP)). While Covid measures were mentioned
    in the report, the substance is the way announcements of projects were
    made against advice and poor financial management - and my post
    identified elements of this.

    Yet again you respond with political rhetoric unrelated to the subject matter.


    And yet again he will continue to do so. Diversion and show how good this
    are because of the diversion. which has nothing, or little to do with the OP/previous posters points.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Dec 14 02:10:04 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-12-13, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 11:40:12 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 08:37:09 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:

    We now have the Auditor-General reporting on various projects that
    date back to 2020:

    http://tinyurl.com/y23j6bud

    Note that this is a Herald Premium article, the actual report can be >>>>accessed here:

    https://oag.parliament.nz/2023/infrastructure-decisions

    It is clearly the view of the AG that these projects were prematurely >>>>announced (in respect of funding certainty) and subsequent spending
    was not properly recorded.

    So here is the evidence of a government quick to announce projects for >>>>political purposes despite advice at the time that announcement was >>>>premature. This is an example of how taxpayer money has been spend >>>>without regard to value or deliverable benefits.

    Thanks Crash.

    Yes, a lot of the support for business did not have a long enough
    period for preparation and review, but it did have a positive effect
    in keeping more of our businesses working; our economic recovery was >>>faster than most other economies, and the resulting increases in
    taxation did reduce the level of debt that resulted from the expenses
    of Covid itself.

    The opening paragraph on the direct link is a good sentiment:
    "A lack of transparency and documentation about how and why >>>decision-makers made significant decisions can also create the
    perception that processes lack integrity. In a country that prides
    itself on the integrity of its public sector, we should all be
    concerned about this matter."

    Current concerns are here directly relevant - the new Government is
    doing exactly what is described by not have regulatory impact
    statements presented for many - or possibly all? - of the "100 days" >>>decisions. In some cases the public service will be able to provide
    some information quite quickly - the analysis of the reversal of smoke >>>free policies is probably substantially there now, but the nature of
    the statements has meant that some believe this is a deliberate
    decision to keep the expected impact and results of decisions from the >>>public. It is certainly true that many of those protesting against
    that decision believe that "processes lack integrity." The process
    being used appears directly contrary to the ACT policy agreed by the >>>coalition of robust processes to achieve better quality regulations.

    The impetus for government announcements as a response to Covid was >>>clearly a general economic response to keep businesses afloat; and was >>>based in part of economic advice. The reason for the current pushing >>>through of legislation without assessment of economic impact appears
    to be solely to justify a selective cut to the top income tax rate,
    and unless they are making that effective earlier than normal, there >>>would appear to be room to take a little longer and include an
    assessment of regulatory impact before the legislation is finalised.

    None of this is related to what I posted (being the Auditor-General's
    reports to Parliament on the New Zealand Upgrade Program (NZUP) and
    the Shovel-Ready Program (SRP)). While Covid measures were mentioned
    in the report, the substance is the way announcements of projects were
    made against advice and poor financial management - and my post
    identified elements of this.

    Yet again you respond with political rhetoric unrelated to the subject
    matter.


    And yet again he will continue to do so. Diversion and show how good this
    are because of the diversion. which has nothing, or little to do with the >OP/previous posters points.
    It is the behaviour of a sociopath, someone who does not even begin to comprehend honesty in communication. Life for him is so simple - do as he is told and never, under any circumstances question the directives.

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