Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-zealand-condemns-malicious-cyber-activity
Excellent, the only official and historically appropriate name for our country >is New Zealand.
It is not our solidarity with the UK against a reported threat from
Russia, nor is it a notable publication from Judith Collins.
It is the fact that we have returned to referring to our country as
'New Zealand'.
On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:16:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-zealand-condemns-malicious-cyber-activity
Excellent, the only official and historically appropriate name for our country
It is not our solidarity with the UK against a reported threat from >>>Russia, nor is it a notable publication from Judith Collins.
It is the fact that we have returned to referring to our country as
'New Zealand'.
is New Zealand.
I have in front of me my Passport - on the cover it says
URUWHENUA
AOTEAROA
NEW ZEALAND
PASSPORT
That change was initiated under a National Government though John Key.
I am quite relaxed about it - I think it helps international interest
in New Zealand (I think Key was Minister of Tourism as well as Prime
Minister at the time).
The NZ Taxpayer Union is rightly concerned about the cost of all these >changes - and has offered to pay the expenses of making the changes -
why was that refused? I look forward to the NZ Taxpayer Union (a
self-styled "centre right" group that has aligned itself with ACT and >National) keeping up their exposure of waste in this regard . . .
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-zealand-condemns-malicious-cyber-activity
Excellent, the only official and historically appropriate name for our country >is New Zealand.
It is not our solidarity with the UK against a reported threat from
Russia, nor is it a notable publication from Judith Collins.
It is the fact that we have returned to referring to our country as
'New Zealand'.
It is not our solidarity with the UK against a reported threat from
Russia, nor is it a notable publication from Judith Collins.
It is the fact that we have returned to referring to our country as
'New Zealand'.
On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:16:46 -0000 (UTC), TonyThere is only one official name for this country - and it is not the first two words on your, hopefully soon to be outdated, passport.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-zealand-condemns-malicious-cyber-activity
Excellent, the only official and historically appropriate name for our >>country
It is not our solidarity with the UK against a reported threat from >>>Russia, nor is it a notable publication from Judith Collins.
It is the fact that we have returned to referring to our country as
'New Zealand'.
is New Zealand.
I have in front of me my Passport - on the cover it says
URUWHENUA
AOTEAROA
NEW ZEALAND
PASSPORT
That change was initiated under a National Government though John Key.Off topic, that does not change what is official or not.
I am quite relaxed about it - I think it helps international interest
in New Zealand (I think Key was Minister of Tourism as well as Prime
Minister at the time).
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 13:46:45 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:16:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-zealand-condemns-malicious-cyber-activity
Excellent, the only official and historically appropriate name for our country
It is not our solidarity with the UK against a reported threat from >>>>Russia, nor is it a notable publication from Judith Collins.
It is the fact that we have returned to referring to our country as >>>>'New Zealand'.
is New Zealand.
I have in front of me my Passport - on the cover it says
URUWHENUA
AOTEAROA
NEW ZEALAND
PASSPORT
That change was initiated under a National Government though John Key.
I am quite relaxed about it - I think it helps international interest
in New Zealand (I think Key was Minister of Tourism as well as Prime >>Minister at the time).
The NZ Taxpayer Union is rightly concerned about the cost of all these >>changes - and has offered to pay the expenses of making the changes -
why was that refused? I look forward to the NZ Taxpayer Union (a >>self-styled "centre right" group that has aligned itself with ACT and >>National) keeping up their exposure of waste in this regard . . .
The whole of your post is off-topic Rich. Neither myself or Tony made
any mention of NZ Passports or the NZTU. You have brought both into
this topic purely because you need a platform to introduce political >rhetoric. Nothing you have said is related to the change apparent in >government press releases that I have posted about.
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 14:06:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 13:46:45 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:16:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-zealand-condemns-malicious-cyber-activity
Excellent, the only official and historically appropriate name for our country
It is not our solidarity with the UK against a reported threat from >>>>>Russia, nor is it a notable publication from Judith Collins.
It is the fact that we have returned to referring to our country as >>>>>'New Zealand'.
is New Zealand.
I have in front of me my Passport - on the cover it says
URUWHENUA
AOTEAROA
NEW ZEALAND
PASSPORT
That change was initiated under a National Government though John Key.
I am quite relaxed about it - I think it helps international interest
in New Zealand (I think Key was Minister of Tourism as well as Prime >>>Minister at the time).
The NZ Taxpayer Union is rightly concerned about the cost of all these >>>changes - and has offered to pay the expenses of making the changes -
why was that refused? I look forward to the NZ Taxpayer Union (a >>>self-styled "centre right" group that has aligned itself with ACT and >>>National) keeping up their exposure of waste in this regard . . .
The whole of your post is off-topic Rich. Neither myself or Tony made
any mention of NZ Passports or the NZTU. You have brought both into
this topic purely because you need a platform to introduce political >>rhetoric. Nothing you have said is related to the change apparent in >>government press releases that I have posted about.
I was referring to references to New Zealand, or as National preferred
it Aotearoa New Zealand.
Frankly I don't care - there is a place for
both, and the whole issue is an attempted distraction.
Referring back
to the John Key years,
we had the flag referendum to distract us then;
this issue is really no different - except that the racism inherent in
the presentation of the issue this time is unwelcome to many National >supporters as well.
What is not remarkable about the press release is that we have a very
good and efficient public service, and an experienced Minister in
Judith Collins. I doubt that missing out the word Aotearoa occurred to
either her or the public service people that put it together for her.
We cannot say as much about many of the other Ministers.
You saw a problem that was not a problem Crash,
and saw a quite
routine press statement as being relevant to that issue. I doubt that
it was relevant - so in one sense your post was ''off-topic'' in
relation to the press release.
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 15:53:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 14:06:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 13:46:45 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:16:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-zealand-condemns-malicious-cyber-activity
Excellent, the only official and historically appropriate name for our country
It is not our solidarity with the UK against a reported threat from >>>>>>Russia, nor is it a notable publication from Judith Collins.
It is the fact that we have returned to referring to our country as >>>>>>'New Zealand'.
is New Zealand.
I have in front of me my Passport - on the cover it says
URUWHENUA
AOTEAROA
NEW ZEALAND
PASSPORT
That change was initiated under a National Government though John Key. >>>>I am quite relaxed about it - I think it helps international interest >>>>in New Zealand (I think Key was Minister of Tourism as well as Prime >>>>Minister at the time).
The NZ Taxpayer Union is rightly concerned about the cost of all these >>>>changes - and has offered to pay the expenses of making the changes - >>>>why was that refused? I look forward to the NZ Taxpayer Union (a >>>>self-styled "centre right" group that has aligned itself with ACT and >>>>National) keeping up their exposure of waste in this regard . . .
The whole of your post is off-topic Rich. Neither myself or Tony made >>>any mention of NZ Passports or the NZTU. You have brought both into
this topic purely because you need a platform to introduce political >>>rhetoric. Nothing you have said is related to the change apparent in >>>government press releases that I have posted about.
I was referring to references to New Zealand, or as National preferred
it Aotearoa New Zealand.
Your references to New Zealand were not derived from either me or Tony
-so off-topic and done to attempt to frame your political rhetoric.
It appears yo see the world as you and Tony vs the rest - nice andFrankly I don't care - there is a place for
both, and the whole issue is an attempted distraction.
A distraction you have introduced - see above.
Referring back
to the John Key years,
Neither I nor Tony did so. This is an off-topic introduction by you.
we had the flag referendum to distract us then;
this issue is really no different - except that the racism inherent in
the presentation of the issue this time is unwelcome to many National >>supporters as well.
More off-topic political rhetoric. Neither Tony or I have made any
reference to this.
Pure conjecture and therefore of no value.
What is not remarkable about the press release is that we have a very
good and efficient public service, and an experienced Minister in
Judith Collins. I doubt that missing out the word Aotearoa occurred to >>either her or the public service people that put it together for her.
We cannot say as much about many of the other Ministers.
You saw a problem that was not a problem Crash,
You really do need comprehension lessons Rich. At no time did I see
or reference any problem at all with the press release.
and saw a quite
routine press statement as being relevant to that issue. I doubt that
it was relevant - so in one sense your post was ''off-topic'' in
relation to the press release.
My post was about my observations on trends in that press release -
not the actual subject. It is my post that defines the topic of this
thread.
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 21:08:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 15:53:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 14:06:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 13:46:45 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:16:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-zealand-condemns-malicious-cyber-activity
Excellent, the only official and historically appropriate name for our country
It is not our solidarity with the UK against a reported threat from >>>>>>>Russia, nor is it a notable publication from Judith Collins.
It is the fact that we have returned to referring to our country as >>>>>>>'New Zealand'.
is New Zealand.
I have in front of me my Passport - on the cover it says
URUWHENUA
AOTEAROA
NEW ZEALAND
PASSPORT
That change was initiated under a National Government though John Key. >>>>>I am quite relaxed about it - I think it helps international interest >>>>>in New Zealand (I think Key was Minister of Tourism as well as Prime >>>>>Minister at the time).
The NZ Taxpayer Union is rightly concerned about the cost of all these >>>>>changes - and has offered to pay the expenses of making the changes - >>>>>why was that refused? I look forward to the NZ Taxpayer Union (a >>>>>self-styled "centre right" group that has aligned itself with ACT and >>>>>National) keeping up their exposure of waste in this regard . . .
The whole of your post is off-topic Rich. Neither myself or Tony made >>>>any mention of NZ Passports or the NZTU. You have brought both into >>>>this topic purely because you need a platform to introduce political >>>>rhetoric. Nothing you have said is related to the change apparent in >>>>government press releases that I have posted about.
I was referring to references to New Zealand, or as National preferred
it Aotearoa New Zealand.
Your references to New Zealand were not derived from either me or Tony
-so off-topic and done to attempt to frame your political rhetoric.
The initial post said: "It is the fact that we have returned to
referring to our country as 'New Zealand'."
I had assumed that was the point you were trying to make - that it did
not refer to Aotearoa New Zealand, or just Aotearoa. If you meant
something else that was not evident. So yes I was very much on topic -
and my other comments were prompted also by your query as to what was >remarkable about the Government Press Release; I covered the issue of
who it was from (A minister being competent); the reason why many
documents referred to something other than New Zealand (a deliberate
change implemented under a previous National-led government), and
concerns from a Right-wing lobby group that such changes to names are >unnecessarily expensive - the reality is that the change from just New >Zealand, and the related expenses, and now the change back, are both
as a result of a new government including the National Party - and I
suspect many, like me, just cannot get very excited about either
change - there are more important things to get fixed.
It appears yo see the world as you and Tony vs the rest - nice andFrankly I don't care - there is a place for
both, and the whole issue is an attempted distraction.
A distraction you have introduced - see above.
Referring back
to the John Key years,
Neither I nor Tony did so. This is an off-topic introduction by you.
we had the flag referendum to distract us then;
this issue is really no different - except that the racism inherent in >>>the presentation of the issue this time is unwelcome to many National >>>supporters as well.
More off-topic political rhetoric. Neither Tony or I have made any >>reference to this.
cosy for you, but the world is more complex than the opinions of just
two people . . .
Pure conjecture and therefore of no value.
What is not remarkable about the press release is that we have a very >>>good and efficient public service, and an experienced Minister in
Judith Collins. I doubt that missing out the word Aotearoa occurred to >>>either her or the public service people that put it together for her.
We cannot say as much about many of the other Ministers.
You saw a problem that was not a problem Crash,
You really do need comprehension lessons Rich. At no time did I see
or reference any problem at all with the press release.
and saw a quite
routine press statement as being relevant to that issue. I doubt that
it was relevant - so in one sense your post was ''off-topic'' in
relation to the press release.
My post was about my observations on trends in that press release -
not the actual subject. It is my post that defines the topic of this >>thread.
No, what you say in the initial post assets some boundaries, but
nothing I have said is outside those boundaries. Perhaps some people
have a broader view of the world, or see connections between events >differently than you and Tony do - in fact I believe that you and Tony
do not always see everything identically - to post to a usenet forum
and presume you control a thread does seem to be setting yourself up
for perpetual disappointment - getting rude and angry about posts may
worry you more than anyone else.
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 23:35:36 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 21:08:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 15:53:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 14:06:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 13:46:45 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:16:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-zealand-condemns-malicious-cyber-activity
Excellent, the only official and historically appropriate name for our >>>>>>>country
It is not our solidarity with the UK against a reported threat from >>>>>>>>Russia, nor is it a notable publication from Judith Collins.
It is the fact that we have returned to referring to our country as >>>>>>>>'New Zealand'.
is New Zealand.
I have in front of me my Passport - on the cover it says
URUWHENUA
AOTEAROA
NEW ZEALAND
PASSPORT
That change was initiated under a National Government though John Key. >>>>>>I am quite relaxed about it - I think it helps international interest >>>>>>in New Zealand (I think Key was Minister of Tourism as well as Prime >>>>>>Minister at the time).
The NZ Taxpayer Union is rightly concerned about the cost of all these >>>>>>changes - and has offered to pay the expenses of making the changes - >>>>>>why was that refused? I look forward to the NZ Taxpayer Union (a >>>>>>self-styled "centre right" group that has aligned itself with ACT and >>>>>>National) keeping up their exposure of waste in this regard . . .
The whole of your post is off-topic Rich. Neither myself or Tony made >>>>>any mention of NZ Passports or the NZTU. You have brought both into >>>>>this topic purely because you need a platform to introduce political >>>>>rhetoric. Nothing you have said is related to the change apparent in >>>>>government press releases that I have posted about.
I was referring to references to New Zealand, or as National preferred >>>>it Aotearoa New Zealand.
Your references to New Zealand were not derived from either me or Tony >>>-so off-topic and done to attempt to frame your political rhetoric.
The initial post said: "It is the fact that we have returned to
referring to our country as 'New Zealand'."
I had assumed that was the point you were trying to make - that it did
not refer to Aotearoa New Zealand, or just Aotearoa. If you meant >>something else that was not evident. So yes I was very much on topic -
and my other comments were prompted also by your query as to what was >>remarkable about the Government Press Release; I covered the issue of
who it was from (A minister being competent); the reason why many
documents referred to something other than New Zealand (a deliberate
change implemented under a previous National-led government), and
concerns from a Right-wing lobby group that such changes to names are >>unnecessarily expensive - the reality is that the change from just New >>Zealand, and the related expenses, and now the change back, are both
as a result of a new government including the National Party - and I >>suspect many, like me, just cannot get very excited about either
change - there are more important things to get fixed.
It appears yo see the world as you and Tony vs the rest - nice andFrankly I don't care - there is a place for
both, and the whole issue is an attempted distraction.
A distraction you have introduced - see above.
Referring back
to the John Key years,
Neither I nor Tony did so. This is an off-topic introduction by you.
we had the flag referendum to distract us then;
this issue is really no different - except that the racism inherent in >>>>the presentation of the issue this time is unwelcome to many National >>>>supporters as well.
More off-topic political rhetoric. Neither Tony or I have made any >>>reference to this.
cosy for you, but the world is more complex than the opinions of just
two people . . .
Pure conjecture and therefore of no value.
What is not remarkable about the press release is that we have a very >>>>good and efficient public service, and an experienced Minister in >>>>Judith Collins. I doubt that missing out the word Aotearoa occurred to >>>>either her or the public service people that put it together for her. >>>>We cannot say as much about many of the other Ministers.
You saw a problem that was not a problem Crash,
You really do need comprehension lessons Rich. At no time did I see
or reference any problem at all with the press release.
and saw a quite
routine press statement as being relevant to that issue. I doubt that >>>>it was relevant - so in one sense your post was ''off-topic'' in >>>>relation to the press release.
My post was about my observations on trends in that press release -
not the actual subject. It is my post that defines the topic of this >>>thread.
No, what you say in the initial post assets some boundaries, but
nothing I have said is outside those boundaries. Perhaps some people
have a broader view of the world, or see connections between events >>differently than you and Tony do - in fact I believe that you and Tony
do not always see everything identically - to post to a usenet forum
and presume you control a thread does seem to be setting yourself up
for perpetual disappointment - getting rude and angry about posts may
worry you more than anyone else.
As the OP Rich it is only I that can define what is on-topic in this
thread. I included Tony in my comments because your first post was
the third in the thread after his, not for any other reason. You may
well have a different opinion on what is on-topic but by judgment
remains that you went off-topic in order to digress into political
rhetoric.
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 23:35:36 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 21:08:33 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 15:53:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 14:06:51 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 13:46:45 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:16:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/new-zealand-condemns-malicious-cyber-activity
Excellent, the only official and historically appropriate name for our country
It is not our solidarity with the UK against a reported threat from >>>>>>>>Russia, nor is it a notable publication from Judith Collins.
It is the fact that we have returned to referring to our country as >>>>>>>>'New Zealand'.
is New Zealand.
I have in front of me my Passport - on the cover it says
URUWHENUA
AOTEAROA
NEW ZEALAND
PASSPORT
That change was initiated under a National Government though John Key. >>>>>>I am quite relaxed about it - I think it helps international interest >>>>>>in New Zealand (I think Key was Minister of Tourism as well as Prime >>>>>>Minister at the time).
The NZ Taxpayer Union is rightly concerned about the cost of all these >>>>>>changes - and has offered to pay the expenses of making the changes - >>>>>>why was that refused? I look forward to the NZ Taxpayer Union (a >>>>>>self-styled "centre right" group that has aligned itself with ACT and >>>>>>National) keeping up their exposure of waste in this regard . . .
The whole of your post is off-topic Rich. Neither myself or Tony made >>>>>any mention of NZ Passports or the NZTU. You have brought both into >>>>>this topic purely because you need a platform to introduce political >>>>>rhetoric. Nothing you have said is related to the change apparent in >>>>>government press releases that I have posted about.
I was referring to references to New Zealand, or as National preferred >>>>it Aotearoa New Zealand.
Your references to New Zealand were not derived from either me or Tony >>>-so off-topic and done to attempt to frame your political rhetoric.
The initial post said: "It is the fact that we have returned to
referring to our country as 'New Zealand'."
I had assumed that was the point you were trying to make - that it did
not refer to Aotearoa New Zealand, or just Aotearoa. If you meant >>something else that was not evident. So yes I was very much on topic -
and my other comments were prompted also by your query as to what was >>remarkable about the Government Press Release; I covered the issue of
who it was from (A minister being competent); the reason why many
documents referred to something other than New Zealand (a deliberate
change implemented under a previous National-led government), and
concerns from a Right-wing lobby group that such changes to names are >>unnecessarily expensive - the reality is that the change from just New >>Zealand, and the related expenses, and now the change back, are both
as a result of a new government including the National Party - and I >>suspect many, like me, just cannot get very excited about either
change - there are more important things to get fixed.
It appears yo see the world as you and Tony vs the rest - nice andFrankly I don't care - there is a place for
both, and the whole issue is an attempted distraction.
A distraction you have introduced - see above.
Referring back
to the John Key years,
Neither I nor Tony did so. This is an off-topic introduction by you.
we had the flag referendum to distract us then;
this issue is really no different - except that the racism inherent in >>>>the presentation of the issue this time is unwelcome to many National >>>>supporters as well.
More off-topic political rhetoric. Neither Tony or I have made any >>>reference to this.
cosy for you, but the world is more complex than the opinions of just
two people . . .
Pure conjecture and therefore of no value.
What is not remarkable about the press release is that we have a very >>>>good and efficient public service, and an experienced Minister in >>>>Judith Collins. I doubt that missing out the word Aotearoa occurred to >>>>either her or the public service people that put it together for her. >>>>We cannot say as much about many of the other Ministers.
You saw a problem that was not a problem Crash,
You really do need comprehension lessons Rich. At no time did I see
or reference any problem at all with the press release.
and saw a quite
routine press statement as being relevant to that issue. I doubt that >>>>it was relevant - so in one sense your post was ''off-topic'' in >>>>relation to the press release.
My post was about my observations on trends in that press release -
not the actual subject. It is my post that defines the topic of this >>>thread.
No, what you say in the initial post assets some boundaries, but
nothing I have said is outside those boundaries. Perhaps some people
have a broader view of the world, or see connections between events >>differently than you and Tony do - in fact I believe that you and Tony
do not always see everything identically - to post to a usenet forum
and presume you control a thread does seem to be setting yourself up
for perpetual disappointment - getting rude and angry about posts may
worry you more than anyone else.
As the OP Rich it is only I that can define what is on-topic in this
thread. I included Tony in my comments because your first post was
the third in the thread after his, not for any other reason. You may
well have a different opinion on what is on-topic but by judgment
remains that you went off-topic in order to digress into political
rhetoric.
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