1. Forum
  2. Usenet
  3. NZ.GENERAL

  • Cunning little sods

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 7 21:09:26 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    The last government that is.
    All of this expenditure with stealth. https://politicalemails.org/messages/1254341
    The government should simply fire them all, scrap the plans and then work urgently on a replacement programme that keeps control in the local areas.
    No need for that programme to be in place before scrapping the plans - just do it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Dec 7 22:49:53 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 21:09:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    The last government that is.
    All of this expenditure with stealth. >>https://politicalemails.org/messages/1254341
    The government should simply fire them all, scrap the plans and then work >>urgently on a replacement programme that keeps control in the local areas. >>No need for that programme to be in place before scrapping the plans - just >>do
    it.

    Why do you think they have or need a replacement for Three Waters?
    \They already have said they would.
    They have said they are going to lower water standards
    No tghey have not -= that is a lie.
    , but we haven't
    heard exactly how - presumably on the basis that a little pollution is
    OK for most people - don't most people have a water purifier in their
    house anyway?
    Take your sarcasm and shove it.

    What replacement programme did you have in mind? - already local
    authorities are looking to set rate rises in the 15% to 20% levels to
    meet even the lower standards of NactFirst, but that's OK, those costs
    will be tax deductible to landlords, and the cost can be passed on to >renters.
    Take your sarcasm and shove it.

    If National had started discussions with ACT and NZFist earlier of
    course they may not be having these problems . . . but worse is that
    you appear to be saying they have not prepared any policy to replace
    Three Waters . . .
    No I have not - but take your sarcsam and shove it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Dec 8 11:36:37 2023
    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 21:09:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    The last government that is.
    All of this expenditure with stealth. >https://politicalemails.org/messages/1254341
    The government should simply fire them all, scrap the plans and then work >urgently on a replacement programme that keeps control in the local areas.
    No need for that programme to be in place before scrapping the plans - just do >it.

    Why do you think they have or need a replacement for Three Waters?
    They have said they are going to lower water standards, but we haven't
    heard exactly how - presumably on the basis that a little pollution is
    OK for most people - don't most people have a water purifier in their
    house anyway?

    What replacement programme did you have in mind? - already local
    authorities are looking to set rate rises in the 15% to 20% levels to
    meet even the lower standards of NactFirst, but that's OK, those costs
    will be tax deductible to landlords, and the cost can be passed on to
    renters.

    If National had started discussions with ACT and NZFist earlier of
    course they may not be having these problems . . . but worse is that
    you appear to be saying they have not prepared any policy to replace
    Three Waters . . .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Crash on Fri Dec 8 00:14:46 2023
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 21:09:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    The last government that is.
    All of this expenditure with stealth. >>https://politicalemails.org/messages/1254341
    The government should simply fire them all, scrap the plans and then work >>urgently on a replacement programme that keeps control in the local areas. >>No need for that programme to be in place before scrapping the plans - just >>do
    it.

    I have seen this email before and I believe that the concerns Williams
    has expressed are not valid.

    National has absolutely commited to repeal of the water reforms
    legislation and separately for removal co-governance.

    Provided they do then I shall be happy, meanwhile we need to keep watching.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Crash@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Dec 8 12:29:23 2023
    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 21:09:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    The last government that is.
    All of this expenditure with stealth. >https://politicalemails.org/messages/1254341
    The government should simply fire them all, scrap the plans and then work >urgently on a replacement programme that keeps control in the local areas.
    No need for that programme to be in place before scrapping the plans - just do >it.

    I have seen this email before and I believe that the concerns Williams
    has expressed are not valid.

    National has absolutely commited to repeal of the water reforms
    legislation and separately for removal co-governance.


    --
    Crash McBash

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 8 13:27:24 2023
    On Fri, 08 Dec 2023 11:36:37 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 21:09:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    The last government that is.
    All of this expenditure with stealth. >>https://politicalemails.org/messages/1254341
    The government should simply fire them all, scrap the plans and then work >>urgently on a replacement programme that keeps control in the local areas. >>No need for that programme to be in place before scrapping the plans - just do
    it.

    Why do you think they have or need a replacement for Three Waters?

    Because they promised to do so:
    https://www.national.org.nz/100-dayplan
    (its there if you look hard enough).

    They have said they are going to lower water standards, but we haven't
    heard exactly how - presumably on the basis that a little pollution is
    OK for most people - don't most people have a water purifier in their
    house anyway?


    There is a resaon you cannot identify how the Governmnet will lower
    water standards. You cannot back up your rhetoric.

    What replacement programme did you have in mind?

    https://www.national.org.nz/local_water_done_well

    - already local
    authorities are looking to set rate rises in the 15% to 20% levels to
    meet even the lower standards of NactFirst, but that's OK, those costs
    will be tax deductible to landlords, and the cost can be passed on to >renters.

    More worthless political rhetoric.

    If National had started discussions with ACT and NZFist earlier of
    course they may not be having these problems . . . but worse is that
    you appear to be saying they have not prepared any policy to replace
    Three Waters . . .

    They have. See above. Published long ago and supported by both ACT
    and NZF in that their respective coalition agreements acknowledge the
    premacy of National's policies.

    Rich you really need to do more work at posting credible arguments
    against policy initiatives chosen by a combined party votes of
    National, ACT and NZF.


    --
    Crash McBash

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Dec 8 13:34:15 2023
    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 22:49:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 21:09:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    The last government that is.
    All of this expenditure with stealth. >>>https://politicalemails.org/messages/1254341
    The government should simply fire them all, scrap the plans and then work >>>urgently on a replacement programme that keeps control in the local areas. >>>No need for that programme to be in place before scrapping the plans - just >>>do
    it.

    Why do you think they have or need a replacement for Three Waters?
    \They already have said they would.
    Woulda - Shouda - but haven't!

    They have said they are going to lower water standards
    No tghey have not -= that is a lie.

    "Replace the National Policy Statement for Freshwater Management 2020
    and the National Environmental Standards for Freshwater to better
    reflect the interests of all water users. "

    "Replace the National Policy Statement for Freshwater Management 2020
    to allow district councils more flexibility in how they meet
    environmental limits and seek advice on how to exempt councils
    from obligations under the National Policy Statement for Freshwater
    Management 2020 as soon as practicable."

    So you are correct - they haven't said that replacing standards and
    giving more flexibility in meeting environmental limits and seeking
    advice on exemptions from water obligations may result in lower
    quality water . . .

    Wanna buy a bridge, Tony? Cheap this week? . . ..

    , but we haven't
    heard exactly how - presumably on the basis that a little pollution is
    OK for most people - don't most people have a water purifier in their
    house anyway?
    Take your sarcasm and shove it.

    What replacement programme did you have in mind? - already local >>authorities are looking to set rate rises in the 15% to 20% levels to
    meet even the lower standards of NactFirst, but that's OK, those costs
    will be tax deductible to landlords, and the cost can be passed on to >>renters.
    Take your sarcasm and shove it. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/301020757/rate-hikes-up-to-25-proposed-as-mayors-warn-of-broken-funding-system
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/nz-news/350109260/wellington-warned-unprecedented-rates-rises
    https://www.thepress.co.nz/nz-news/350124743/christchurch-residents-facing-30-rates-increase-over-three-years

    So much for getting cost of living increases under control . . .


    If National had started discussions with ACT and NZFist earlier of
    course they may not be having these problems . . . but worse is that
    you appear to be saying they have not prepared any policy to replace
    Three Waters . . .
    No I have not - but take your sarcsam and shove it.

    No don't get silly and hide the good work Luxon, Willis etc have done
    - do tell us - surely they have some proposals for their replacement
    for Three Water . . . This link goes way back to October! https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/what-does-national-mean-when-it-says-it-will-repeal-three-waters-whats-the-replacement/3O2XVP4LLBEEVGGRN33ZR4NPPQ/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Dec 8 01:19:41 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 22:49:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 21:09:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    The last government that is.
    All of this expenditure with stealth. >>>>https://politicalemails.org/messages/1254341
    The government should simply fire them all, scrap the plans and then work >>>>urgently on a replacement programme that keeps control in the local areas. >>>>No need for that programme to be in place before scrapping the plans - just >>>>do
    it.

    Why do you think they have or need a replacement for Three Waters?
    \They already have said they would.
    Woulda - Shouda - but haven't!
    Doing so in a week would be miraculous, for instance the last government failed to dop almost anything of value in 6 years.

    They have said they are going to lower water standards
    No tghey have not -= that is a lie.

    "Replace the National Policy Statement for Freshwater Management 2020
    and the National Environmental Standards for Freshwater to better
    reflect the interests of all water users. "
    Which is nothing to do with lowering standards - do get some English comprehension training.

    "Replace the National Policy Statement for Freshwater Management 2020
    to allow district councils more flexibility in how they meet
    environmental limits and seek advice on how to exempt councils
    from obligations under the National Policy Statement for Freshwater >Management 2020 as soon as practicable."
    Which is nothing to do with lowering standards - do get some English comprehension training.

    So you are correct - they haven't said that replacing standards and
    giving more flexibility in meeting environmental limits and seeking
    advice on exemptions from water obligations may result in lower
    quality water . . .
    Yes I am correct, they have not said that they will lower standards - why do you believe they have? Oh, yes, your comprehension once more, or lack thereof.

    Wanna buy a bridge, Tony? Cheap this week? . . ..
    You really are a failure - have you ever succeeded at anything of value in your life?

    , but we haven't
    heard exactly how - presumably on the basis that a little pollution is
    OK for most people - don't most people have a water purifier in their >>>house anyway?
    Take your sarcasm and shove it.

    What replacement programme did you have in mind? - already local >>>authorities are looking to set rate rises in the 15% to 20% levels to >>>meet even the lower standards of NactFirst, but that's OK, those costs >>>will be tax deductible to landlords, and the cost can be passed on to >>>renters.
    Take your sarcasm and shove it.
    All completely off topic, so much so that I have removed them for now.

    Off topic nonsense removed - this is about water not cost of living.


    If National had started discussions with ACT and NZFist earlier of
    course they may not be having these problems . . . but worse is that
    you appear to be saying they have not prepared any policy to replace >>>Three Waters . . .
    No I have not - but take your sarcsam and shove it.

    Take your sarcasm and shove it.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)