The Maori Party stood in the election and won 6 MPs, and now with the
new Parliament just assembling, they are also organising country-wide >protests against the new government? Waitaminnit, as participants in
the election, should they not be abiding by its results? They think
they're entitled to both MPs within Parliament and protestors in the
streets against that same Parliament? Something is wrong with that.
On Tue, 05 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Te Pati Maori are not protesting against parliament - they are
protesting against the policies of the new Coalition of Chaos
They were *elected* on those policies, so protesting against them
after the election is sorta, like, anti-democratic?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Te Pati Maori did not have similar protests against the previous
On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 23:14:53 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:No more so and in fact less than the previous government.
The Maori Party stood in the election and won 6 MPs, and now with the
new Parliament just assembling, they are also organising country-wide >>>protests against the new government? Waitaminnit, as participants in
the election, should they not be abiding by its results? They think >>>they're entitled to both MPs within Parliament and protestors in the >>>streets against that same Parliament? Something is wrong with that.
Te Pati Maori are not protesting against parliament - they are
protesting against the policies of the new Coalition. (insult removed) - with >>those three parties creating havoc with their adherence to putting
their supporters First.
About time you stopped that, Tony - it does not help discussion, orAs is becoming clear, the three governmentNo evidence of that, just poitical rhetoric and foul-mouthed abuse.
parties would rather kill citizens through tobacco poisoning than
forgoe any part of the tax cuts for the wealthy
- cutting promises for
tax cuts for the less well off were readily broken for their distorted >>priorities. Prior to the election, Act/Nat used the NZ Taxpayer union
for example to organise anti-government protests - through the
Groundswell label as well as through propaganda - why did you no find
that acceptable and current (relatively small) protests as
objectionable?
The Maori Party stood in the election and won 6 MPs, and now with the
new Parliament just assembling, they are also organising country-wide protests against the new government? Waitaminnit, as participants in
the election, should they not be abiding by its results? They think
they're entitled to both MPs within Parliament and protestors in the
streets against that same Parliament? Something is wrong with that.
On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 23:14:53 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
The Maori Party stood in the election and won 6 MPs, and now with the
new Parliament just assembling, they are also organising country-wide >>protests against the new government? Waitaminnit, as participants in
the election, should they not be abiding by its results? They think >>they're entitled to both MPs within Parliament and protestors in the >>streets against that same Parliament? Something is wrong with that.
Te Pati Maori are not protesting against parliament - they are
protesting against the policies of the new Coalition of Chaos - with
those three parties creating havoc with their adherence to putting
their supporters First. As is becoming clear, the three government
parties would rather kill citizens through tobacco poisoning than
forgoe any part of the tax cuts for the wealthy - cutting promises for
tax cuts for the less well off were readily broken for their distorted priorities. Prior to the election, Act/Nat used the NZ Taxpayer union
for example to organise anti-government protests - through the
Groundswell label as well as through propaganda - why did you no find
that acceptable and current (relatively small) protests as
objectionable?
On 2023-12-04, Willy Nilly <wn@qwert.com> wrote:I suspect they understand very well, but don't actually want democracy. They want rule by a tiny minority
The Maori Party stood in the election and won 6 MPs, and now with the
new Parliament just assembling, they are also organising country-wide
protests against the new government? Waitaminnit, as participants in
the election, should they not be abiding by its results? They think
they're entitled to both MPs within Parliament and protestors in the
streets against that same Parliament? Something is wrong with that.
It does seem that these protesters do not understand the principles of >democracy.
We have had an election, done by the rules, a Government has been formed and >sworn in and these dudes somehow think that its the Government's fault. ItThey simply do not want to do that, they are not interested in in fairness.
is not. If anything it is the people's fault.
The people have spoken at the ballot box and as some of the Labour folks
said after the election, sometimes you do not win. These protesters are >suggesting that they want it their way, and no other way is correct. Maybe >for them, but for others, and the country as a whole there are other ways.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133396972/how-political-parties-reacted-to-national-mori-action-day-protests
" Prime Minister Christopher Luxon told reporters on Tuesday that the new >Government was determined to ensure Māori would do better than they had
in the past six years.
The Government was focused on improving outcomes for Māori and non-Māori, >Luxon said. He mentioned the number of Māori on welfare and the state >housing waiting list, and Māori school attendance and achievement."
Well there is something solid to grab hold of. These anti-government folks >need to get in behind this and hold the Government to account. The majority >of the country would be in agreement with this success.
However if National Government did this it would not happen by the >anti-government folks view.
On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 00:17:32 -0000 (UTC), TonyI did not say theu did - do keep up/
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Te Pati Maori did not have similar protests against the previous
On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 23:14:53 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:No more so and in fact less than the previous government.
The Maori Party stood in the election and won 6 MPs, and now with the >>>>new Parliament just assembling, they are also organising country-wide >>>>protests against the new government? Waitaminnit, as participants in >>>>the election, should they not be abiding by its results? They think >>>>they're entitled to both MPs within Parliament and protestors in the >>>>streets against that same Parliament? Something is wrong with that.
Te Pati Maori are not protesting against parliament - they are
protesting against the policies of the new Coalition. (insult removed) - with
those three parties creating havoc with their adherence to putting
their supporters First.
government - but they did win seats that were previously held by
Labour.
I am nowhere near far right, I am less bigotted than you by a mile, I have fought for freedom of expression (you have not, ever). And don't you dare tell me what I should be doing - you have zero authority and zero fairness.About time you stopped that, Tony - it does not help discussion, orAs is becoming clear, the three governmentNo evidence of that, just poitical rhetoric and foul-mouthed abuse.
parties would rather kill citizens through tobacco poisoning than
forgoe any part of the tax cuts for the wealthy
support your bigotry, contempt for the views of other people, or your >extremist far-right attitudes.
- cutting promises for
tax cuts for the less well off were readily broken for their distorted >>>priorities. Prior to the election, Act/Nat used the NZ Taxpayer union
for example to organise anti-government protests - through the >>>Groundswell label as well as through propaganda - why did you no find >>>that acceptable and current (relatively small) protests as
objectionable?
On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 00:29:09 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:It is not there now either.
On Tue, 05 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Te Pati Maori were not elected on the policies they are protesting
Te Pati Maori are not protesting against parliament - they are
protesting against the policies of the new Coalition of Chaos
They were *elected* on those policies, so protesting against them
after the election is sorta, like, anti-democratic?
about. The enabling of more smoking deaths was not evident in the
campaigns of the three government parties
- it only emerged in Treaty
negotiations when it became apparent to Act and National that they
needed more money to pay for the tax cuts for the wealthy. Te Pati
Maori are objecting to the policies that will kill some of their
supporters, at huge expense to taxpayers. Do you defend wasting
taxpayer money, Willy Nilly?
On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 23:14:53 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:No more so and in fact less than the previous government.
The Maori Party stood in the election and won 6 MPs, and now with the
new Parliament just assembling, they are also organising country-wide >>protests against the new government? Waitaminnit, as participants in
the election, should they not be abiding by its results? They think >>they're entitled to both MPs within Parliament and protestors in the >>streets against that same Parliament? Something is wrong with that.
Te Pati Maori are not protesting against parliament - they are
protesting against the policies of the new Coalition. (insult removed) - with >those three parties creating havoc with their adherence to putting
their supporters First.
As is becoming clear, the three governmentNo evidence of that, just poitical rhetoric and foul-mouthed abuse.
parties would rather kill citizens through tobacco poisoning than
forgoe any part of the tax cuts for the wealthy
- cutting promises for
tax cuts for the less well off were readily broken for their distorted >priorities. Prior to the election, Act/Nat used the NZ Taxpayer union
for example to organise anti-government protests - through the
Groundswell label as well as through propaganda - why did you no find
that acceptable and current (relatively small) protests as
objectionable?
Te Pati Maori are not protesting against parliament - they are
protesting against the policies of the new Coalition of Chaos
On 2023-12-04, Willy Nilly <wn@qwert.com> wrote:Why do you say that, Gordon?
The Maori Party stood in the election and won 6 MPs, and now with the
new Parliament just assembling, they are also organising country-wide
protests against the new government? Waitaminnit, as participants in
the election, should they not be abiding by its results? They think
they're entitled to both MPs within Parliament and protestors in the
streets against that same Parliament? Something is wrong with that.
It does seem that these protesters do not understand the principles of >democracy.
We have had an election, done by the rules, a Government has been formed and >sworn in and these dudes somehow think that its the Government's fault. ItTe Pati Maori are not protesting about the result of the election -
is not. If anything it is the people's fault.
The people have spoken at the ballot box and as some of the Labour folksNo, Te Pati Maori are happy to have more MPs than before; they are not protesting the result of the election. What they are concerned about
said after the election, sometimes you do not win. These protesters are >suggesting that they want it their way, and no other way is correct. Maybe >for them, but for others, and the country as a whole there are other ways.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133396972/how-political-parties-reacted-to-national-mori-action-day-protests
" Prime Minister Christopher Luxon told reporters on Tuesday that the new >Government was determined to ensure M?ori would do better than they had
in the past six years.
The Government was focused on improving outcomes for M?ori and non-M?ori, >Luxon said. He mentioned the number of M?ori on welfare and the state
housing waiting list, and M?ori school attendance and achievement."
Well there is something solid to grab hold of. These anti-government folks >need to get in behind this and hold the Government to account. The majority >of the country would be in agreement with this success.
However if National Government did this it would not happen by the >anti-government folks view.
On 5 Dec 2023 01:03:16 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Gordon has not spoken against peaceful protest, he is protesting the desires of some other protesters - that is democracy.
On 2023-12-04, Willy Nilly <wn@qwert.com> wrote:Why do you say that, Gordon?
The Maori Party stood in the election and won 6 MPs, and now with the
new Parliament just assembling, they are also organising country-wide
protests against the new government? Waitaminnit, as participants in
the election, should they not be abiding by its results? They think
they're entitled to both MPs within Parliament and protestors in the
streets against that same Parliament? Something is wrong with that.
It does seem that these protesters do not understand the principles of >>democracy.
We have had an election, done by the rules, a Government has been formed and >>sworn in and these dudes somehow think that its the Government's fault. It >>is not. If anything it is the people's fault.Te Pati Maori are not protesting about the result of the election -
they are protesting against some of the coalition policies. The policy
to enable a lot more tobacco poisoning was not part of pre-election
policies
are the policies that will make life very much more difficult, and >potentially lethal, for Maori.
The people have spoken at the ballot box and as some of the Labour folks >>said after the election, sometimes you do not win. These protesters are >>suggesting that they want it their way, and no other way is correct. Maybe >>for them, but for others, and the country as a whole there are other ways. >No, Te Pati Maori are happy to have more MPs than before; they are not >protesting the result of the election. What they are concerned about
What so you have against peaceful protest?
- the dairy owners
association for example is wanting more assistance for dairy owners
who will be at risk of more ram raids as a result of the new
government policies. They had hoped that National would have improved
safety for local business owners, but they are unhappy that does not
appear to be happening - but it does not meant hey are disputing the
election results.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133396972/how-political-parties-reacted-to-national-mori-action-day-protests
" Prime Minister Christopher Luxon told reporters on Tuesday that the new >>Government was determined to ensure M?ori would do better than they had
in the past six years.
The Government was focused on improving outcomes for M?ori and non-M?ori, >>Luxon said. He mentioned the number of M?ori on welfare and the state >>housing waiting list, and M?ori school attendance and achievement."
Well there is something solid to grab hold of. These anti-government folks >>need to get in behind this and hold the Government to account. The majority >>of the country would be in agreement with this success.
However if National Government did this it would not happen by the >>anti-government folks view.
On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 01:14:36 -0000 (UTC), TonyI did not say they had reversed anything.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:They have not yet implemented the policy they have now agreed to open
On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 00:29:09 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:It is not there now either.
On Tue, 05 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Te Pati Maori were not elected on the policies they are protesting
Te Pati Maori are not protesting against parliament - they are >>>>>protesting against the policies of the new Coalition of Chaos
They were *elected* on those policies, so protesting against them
after the election is sorta, like, anti-democratic?
about. The enabling of more smoking deaths was not evident in the >>>campaigns of the three government parties
up smoking to more people - that policy is what is being objected to -
if you disagree give evidence that they have reversed that decision;
otherwise your post is just yet another lie from you. I have never lied here >and you know it, so pull your very small head in.
- it only emerged in Treaty
negotiations when it became apparent to Act and National that they
needed more money to pay for the tax cuts for the wealthy. Te Pati
Maori are objecting to the policies that will kill some of their >>>supporters, at huge expense to taxpayers. Do you defend wasting
taxpayer money, Willy Nilly?
On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 00:29:09 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Tue, 05 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Te Pati Maori are not protesting against parliament - they are
protesting against the policies of the new Coalition of Chaos
They were *elected* on those policies, so protesting against them
after the election is sorta, like, anti-democratic?
Te Pati Maori were not elected on the policies they are protesting
The enabling of more smoking deaths was not evident in the
campaigns of the three government parties - it only emerged in Treaty >negotiations when it became apparent to Act and National that they
needed more money to pay for the tax cuts for the wealthy.
Te Pati Maori are objecting to the policies that will kill some
of their supporters, at huge expense to taxpayers.
Do you defend wasting taxpayer money, Willy Nilly?
On 2023-12-04, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 23:14:53 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
The Maori Party stood in the election and won 6 MPs, and now with the
new Parliament just assembling, they are also organising country-wide >>>protests against the new government? Waitaminnit, as participants in
the election, should they not be abiding by its results? They think >>>they're entitled to both MPs within Parliament and protestors in the >>>streets against that same Parliament? Something is wrong with that.
Te Pati Maori are not protesting against parliament - they are
protesting against the policies of the new Coalition of Chaos - with
those three parties creating havoc with their adherence to putting
their supporters First. As is becoming clear, the three government
parties would rather kill citizens through tobacco poisoning than
Question. Why did the Labour Government not even acknowledge the incresaed >death rates after the vaccines were rolled out?
Also the Government's reasoning has not been absorbed but the antisorry it is not clear what you are saying here.
Government side, let alone rebuffed it.
forgoe any part of the tax cuts for the wealthy - cutting promises for
tax cuts for the less well off were readily broken for their distorted
priorities. Prior to the election, Act/Nat used the NZ Taxpayer union
for example to organise anti-government protests - through the
Groundswell label as well as through propaganda - why did you no find
that acceptable and current (relatively small) protests as
objectionable?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:They have not yet implemented the policy they have now agreed to open
On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 00:29:09 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:It is not there now either.
On Tue, 05 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Te Pati Maori were not elected on the policies they are protesting
Te Pati Maori are not protesting against parliament - they are >>>>protesting against the policies of the new Coalition of Chaos
They were *elected* on those policies, so protesting against them
after the election is sorta, like, anti-democratic?
about. The enabling of more smoking deaths was not evident in the
campaigns of the three government parties
- it only emerged in Treaty
negotiations when it became apparent to Act and National that they
needed more money to pay for the tax cuts for the wealthy. Te Pati
Maori are objecting to the policies that will kill some of their >>supporters, at huge expense to taxpayers. Do you defend wasting
taxpayer money, Willy Nilly?
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