• A quick question

    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 4 21:07:35 2023
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301020311/te-whatu-oras-covid19-vaccination-data-leak-what-is-it-and-what-does-it-mean

    "A Te Whatu Ora employee is accused of leaking data from the health ministry’s
    National Vaccination Database to spread misinformation about vaccines."

    Question. How can data spread misinformation about vaccines? or anything
    else for that matter.

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Gordon on Mon Dec 4 21:36:23 2023
    On 4 Dec 2023 21:07:35 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    "A Te Whatu Ora employee is accused of leaking data from the health ministry's
    National Vaccination Database to spread misinformation about vaccines."

    Question. How can data spread misinformation about vaccines? or anything
    else for that matter.

    A fine point, Gordon. The quote is a one-sentence self-incrimination
    of spreading misinformation.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Dec 5 11:29:31 2023
    On 4 Dec 2023 21:07:35 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301020311/te-whatu-oras-covid19-vaccination-data-leak-what-is-it-and-what-does-it-mean

    "A Te Whatu Ora employee is accused of leaking data from the health ministry’s
    National Vaccination Database to spread misinformation about vaccines."

    Question. How can data spread misinformation about vaccines? or anything
    else for that matter.

    The way it was worded, the Te Whatu Ora employee spread misinformation
    about vaccines using data from the Health Ministries National
    Vaccination Database. The spreading of misinformation is separate to
    the data (presumably used to justify it).


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Dec 5 12:37:15 2023
    On 4 Dec 2023 21:07:35 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301020311/te-whatu-oras-covid19-vaccination-data-leak-what-is-it-and-what-does-it-mean

    "A Te Whatu Ora employee is accused of leaking data from the health ministry’s
    National Vaccination Database to spread misinformation about vaccines."

    Question. How can data spread misinformation about vaccines? or anything
    else for that matter.

    There have been a couple of threads over the last few days, I suspect
    all about the same data breach. The first thread was headed :
    ""The Other side to the "podium of truth" ". started by Tony on
    3/12/2023, at 9:02 pm, that peddled the link: https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?

    Then there was another thread started by Willy Nilly called "The MoH
    data leak" started 4/12/2023, at 11:12 am.

    Willy Nilly said: "My own view is that the data (as described) is too incomplete for quantifiable analysis of vaccine harm, although Kirsch
    has squeezed some poignant signals out of it. Also it is operational
    data with unknown data quality issues, although it was evidently good
    enough to serve as an ongoing operational MoH database."

    It appears however that the data was only a very small part of any
    operational database; and the analysis was grossly misleading.

    For a lighthearted but more realistic view, see: https://twitter.com/publicaddress/status/1731192011271934419

    The reality is that some people are fooled by psuedo-science - and
    some are politically motivated to believe the nonsense peddled by the
    likes of Liz Gunn - although thankfully not so gullible that many
    voted for her or her party.

    It was not the data that misled in that initial thread; the data was
    not really disclosed - just the results of some misguided phony
    ''analysis'' that was believed by the gullible.

    New Zealand has participated in extensive internatonal data gathering
    of Covid related results over the whole period of the pandemic and
    still continuing. That data consistently shows that New Zealand had
    New Zealand had world-leading results, together with a few other
    countries (Japan I think also did well, but Sweden dropped behind
    Norway and Denmark by pulling back too early from isolation practices.

    Hopefully the peddlers of this phony data analysis will be
    appropriately penalised, but unfortunately some will believe whatever
    they think supports their distorted political views,regardless of the
    source or even of common sense. The spreading of the mis-information
    is through links to crazy presentations without applying critical
    thought - that is the fault of the gullible as much as it is of those
    that seek to mislead, including those that post links to such rubbish
    through either ignorance or malice.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Dec 5 00:20:48 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Dec 2023 21:07:35 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/301020311/te-whatu-oras-covid19-vaccination-data-leak-what-is-it-and-what-does-it-mean

    "A Te Whatu Ora employee is accused of leaking data from the health ministry’s
    National Vaccination Database to spread misinformation about vaccines."

    Question. How can data spread misinformation about vaccines? or anything >>else for that matter.

    There have been a couple of threads over the last few days, I suspect
    all about the same data breach. The first thread was headed :
    ""The Other side to the "podium of truth" ". started by Tony on
    3/12/2023, at 9:02 pm, that peddled the link: >https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?

    Then there was another thread started by Willy Nilly called "The MoH
    data leak" started 4/12/2023, at 11:12 am.

    Willy Nilly said: "My own view is that the data (as described) is too >incomplete for quantifiable analysis of vaccine harm, although Kirsch
    has squeezed some poignant signals out of it. Also it is operational
    data with unknown data quality issues, although it was evidently good
    enough to serve as an ongoing operational MoH database."

    It appears however that the data was only a very small part of any >operational database; and the analysis was grossly misleading.

    For a lighthearted but more realistic view, see: >https://twitter.com/publicaddress/status/1731192011271934419

    The reality is that some people are fooled by psuedo-science - and
    some are politically motivated to believe the nonsense peddled by the
    likes of Liz Gunn - although thankfully not so gullible that many
    voted for her or her party.

    It was not the data that misled in that initial thread; the data was
    not really disclosed - just the results of some misguided phony
    ''analysis'' that was believed by the gullible.

    New Zealand has participated in extensive internatonal data gathering
    of Covid related results over the whole period of the pandemic and
    still continuing. That data consistently shows that New Zealand had
    New Zealand had world-leading results, together with a few other
    countries (Japan I think also did well, but Sweden dropped behind
    Norway and Denmark by pulling back too early from isolation practices.

    Hopefully the peddlers of this phony data analysis will be
    appropriately penalised, but unfortunately some will believe whatever
    they think supports their distorted political views,regardless of the
    source or even of common sense. The spreading of the mis-information
    is through links to crazy presentations without applying critical
    thought - that is the fault of the gullible as much as it is of those
    that seek to mislead, including those that post links to such rubbish
    through either ignorance or malice.
    If the data shows evidence of no deaths or escess deaths from covid that is irrelevant.
    What is relevant is why is the data not made public? - it belongs to us, the people. It should be released. To not release it indicates guilt.

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Dec 5 00:24:32 2023
    On Tue, 05 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    It appears however that the data was only a very small part of any >operational database; and the analysis was grossly misleading.

    How would you know, Rich? You can't do data analysis.

    The reality is ...

    You don't do reality either, your world is comprised of talking heads.


    Hopefully the peddlers of this phony data analysis will be
    appropriately penalised ...

    As all phony analysts should be, so get yourself fitted for a striped
    suit, Rich.

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