• The other side to the "podium of truth".

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 2 20:02:11 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?mref=s9inf&mc=5hion&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
    We need a real and open review of the covid pandemic and our response to it - let us hope that happens.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Dec 2 21:49:34 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-12-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?mref=s9inf&mc=5hion&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
    We need a real and open review of the covid pandemic and our response to it >>-
    let us hope that happens.

    Covid was a global event and what is needed is a global and open review.
    Many Western countries had had similar stats. No suprising cause most >responded in the same way with the same virus.

    Were the Governments strings being pulled and telling them what to say to
    the masses. Why did the countries all follow the same path, why were the >question voices shut down, why was the conversation about the excess deaths >totally stified?

    Truth is working on it.
    Good questions all - and yes people of intellect and integrity are working on it despite the attempts to pillory them.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sun Dec 3 10:56:08 2023
    On 2 Dec 2023 21:38:42 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-12-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?mref=s9inf&mc=5hion&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
    We need a real and open review of the covid pandemic and our response to it -
    let us hope that happens.

    Covid was a global event and what is needed is a global and open review.
    Many Western countries had had similar stats. No suprising cause most >responded in the same way with the same virus.

    Were the Governments strings being pulled and telling them what to say to
    the masses. Why did the countries all follow the same path, why were the >question voices shut down, why was the conversation about the excess deaths >totally stified?

    Truth is working on it.

    See: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER~AUS~NZL~NOR~DNK~SWE~GBR~GRC~FRA~SGP~ZAF~ESP~THA~ISR~IRL~JPN~URY~DEU~SRB~NLD~FIN~EGY~CAN~PHL~POL

    There were subtle differences - for example Sweden was seen as leading
    the way at one stage by reducing precautions against infection - they
    did not do as well as nearby countries Norway and Denmark as a result
    . . .

    New Zealand did very well - being one of the few countries that had a
    reduction in deaths from those experienced pre-Covid - that has been
    reversed as we dropped precautions and the crazies persuaded some not
    to continue vaccinations.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Sat Dec 2 21:38:42 2023
    On 2023-12-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?mref=s9inf&mc=5hion&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
    We need a real and open review of the covid pandemic and our response to it - let us hope that happens.

    Covid was a global event and what is needed is a global and open review.
    Many Western countries had had similar stats. No suprising cause most
    responded in the same way with the same virus.

    Were the Governments strings being pulled and telling them what to say to
    the masses. Why did the countries all follow the same path, why were the question voices shut down, why was the conversation about the excess deaths totally stified?

    Truth is working on it.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Dec 2 23:31:25 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 2 Dec 2023 21:38:42 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-12-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?mref=s9inf&mc=5hion&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
    We need a real and open review of the covid pandemic and our response to it >>>-
    let us hope that happens.

    Covid was a global event and what is needed is a global and open review. >>Many Western countries had had similar stats. No suprising cause most >>responded in the same way with the same virus.

    Were the Governments strings being pulled and telling them what to say to >>the masses. Why did the countries all follow the same path, why were the >>question voices shut down, why was the conversation about the excess deaths >>totally stified?

    Truth is working on it.

    See: >https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER~AUS~NZL~NOR~DNK~SWE~GBR~GRC~FRA~SGP~ZAF~ESP~THA~ISR~IRL~JPN~URY~DEU~SRB~NLD~FIN~EGY~CAN~PHL~POL

    There were subtle differences - for example Sweden was seen as leading
    the way at one stage by reducing precautions against infection - they
    did not do as well as nearby countries Norway and Denmark as a result
    . . .

    New Zealand did very well - being one of the few countries that had a >reduction in deaths from those experienced pre-Covid - that has been
    reversed as we dropped precautions and the crazies persuaded some not
    to continue vaccinations.
    That is one side - the other says there have been additional deaths. Take your pick because that is what you do - those of us who care will keep an open mind.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Sat Dec 2 23:31:54 2023
    wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
    On Sun, 03 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    New Zealand did very well - being one of the few countries that had a >>reduction in deaths from those experienced pre-Covid - that has been >>reversed as we dropped precautions and the crazies persuaded some not
    to continue vaccinations.

    Rats swim from a sinking ship, but not Rich.
    Let us hope not.

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Dec 2 23:14:51 2023
    On Sun, 03 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    New Zealand did very well - being one of the few countries that had a >reduction in deaths from those experienced pre-Covid - that has been
    reversed as we dropped precautions and the crazies persuaded some not
    to continue vaccinations.

    Rats swim from a sinking ship, but not Rich.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Dec 3 13:46:03 2023
    On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 23:31:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 2 Dec 2023 21:38:42 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-12-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?mref=s9inf&mc=5hion&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
    We need a real and open review of the covid pandemic and our response to it
    -
    let us hope that happens.

    Covid was a global event and what is needed is a global and open review. >>>Many Western countries had had similar stats. No suprising cause most >>>responded in the same way with the same virus.

    Were the Governments strings being pulled and telling them what to say to >>>the masses. Why did the countries all follow the same path, why were the >>>question voices shut down, why was the conversation about the excess deaths >>>totally stified?

    Truth is working on it.

    See: >>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER~AUS~NZL~NOR~DNK~SWE~GBR~GRC~FRA~SGP~ZAF~ESP~THA~ISR~IRL~JPN~URY~DEU~SRB~NLD~FIN~EGY~CAN~PHL~POL

    There were subtle differences - for example Sweden was seen as leading
    the way at one stage by reducing precautions against infection - they
    did not do as well as nearby countries Norway and Denmark as a result
    . . .

    New Zealand did very well - being one of the few countries that had a >>reduction in deaths from those experienced pre-Covid - that has been >>reversed as we dropped precautions and the crazies persuaded some not
    to continue vaccinations.
    That is one side - the other says there have been additional deaths. Take your >pick because that is what you do - those of us who care will keep an open mind.

    Of course there have been deaths from causes other than Covid - for
    example we had deaths from traffic accidents - lower than normal
    through the period of lock-downs, but they were there nevertheless. We
    also had lower deaths from colds and influenza - limitations on
    visitors to rest homes, retirement villages and hospital wards reduced
    deaths from other contagious diseases. But you appear to have evidence
    of additional deaths from other causes - do tell us the causes and
    numbers involved, Tony.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Sun Dec 3 13:47:36 2023
    On Sat, 02 Dec 2023 23:14:51 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Sun, 03 Dec 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    New Zealand did very well - being one of the few countries that had a >>reduction in deaths from those experienced pre-Covid - that has been >>reversed as we dropped precautions and the crazies persuaded some not
    to continue vaccinations.

    Rats swim from a sinking ship, but not Rich.

    I don't see the international organisation that prepared the
    comparative data as being a sinking ship - why do you, Willy Nilly?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Dec 3 01:37:12 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 23:31:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 2 Dec 2023 21:38:42 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-12-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?mref=s9inf&mc=5hion&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
    We need a real and open review of the covid pandemic and our response to >>>>>it
    -
    let us hope that happens.

    Covid was a global event and what is needed is a global and open review. >>>>Many Western countries had had similar stats. No suprising cause most >>>>responded in the same way with the same virus.

    Were the Governments strings being pulled and telling them what to say to >>>>the masses. Why did the countries all follow the same path, why were the >>>>question voices shut down, why was the conversation about the excess deaths >>>>totally stified?

    Truth is working on it.

    See: >>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER~AUS~NZL~NOR~DNK~SWE~GBR~GRC~FRA~SGP~ZAF~ESP~THA~ISR~IRL~JPN~URY~DEU~SRB~NLD~FIN~EGY~CAN~PHL~POL

    There were subtle differences - for example Sweden was seen as leading >>>the way at one stage by reducing precautions against infection - they
    did not do as well as nearby countries Norway and Denmark as a result
    . . .

    New Zealand did very well - being one of the few countries that had a >>>reduction in deaths from those experienced pre-Covid - that has been >>>reversed as we dropped precautions and the crazies persuaded some not
    to continue vaccinations.
    That is one side - the other says there have been additional deaths. Take >>your
    pick because that is what you do - those of us who care will keep an open >>mind.

    Of course there have been deaths from causes other than Covid - for
    example we had deaths from traffic accidents - lower than normal
    through the period of lock-downs, but they were there nevertheless. We
    also had lower deaths from colds and influenza - limitations on
    visitors to rest homes, retirement villages and hospital wards reduced
    deaths from other contagious diseases. But you appear to have evidence
    of additional deaths from other causes - do tell us the causes and
    numbers involved, Tony.
    The word I used is additional - do get help with your English comprehension. No, just watch and listen to the link I posted. There is plenty there to puzzle your tiny brain.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Dec 4 09:33:29 2023
    On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 01:37:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 23:31:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 2 Dec 2023 21:38:42 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-12-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?mref=s9inf&mc=5hion&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
    We need a real and open review of the covid pandemic and our response to >>>>>>it
    -
    let us hope that happens.

    Covid was a global event and what is needed is a global and open review. >>>>>Many Western countries had had similar stats. No suprising cause most >>>>>responded in the same way with the same virus.

    Were the Governments strings being pulled and telling them what to say to >>>>>the masses. Why did the countries all follow the same path, why were the >>>>>question voices shut down, why was the conversation about the excess deaths
    totally stified?

    Truth is working on it.

    See: >>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER~AUS~NZL~NOR~DNK~SWE~GBR~GRC~FRA~SGP~ZAF~ESP~THA~ISR~IRL~JPN~URY~DEU~SRB~NLD~FIN~EGY~CAN~PHL~POL

    There were subtle differences - for example Sweden was seen as leading >>>>the way at one stage by reducing precautions against infection - they >>>>did not do as well as nearby countries Norway and Denmark as a result
    . . .

    New Zealand did very well - being one of the few countries that had a >>>>reduction in deaths from those experienced pre-Covid - that has been >>>>reversed as we dropped precautions and the crazies persuaded some not >>>>to continue vaccinations.
    That is one side - the other says there have been additional deaths. Take >>>your
    pick because that is what you do - those of us who care will keep an open >>>mind.

    Of course there have been deaths from causes other than Covid - for
    example we had deaths from traffic accidents - lower than normal
    through the period of lock-downs, but they were there nevertheless. We
    also had lower deaths from colds and influenza - limitations on
    visitors to rest homes, retirement villages and hospital wards reduced >>deaths from other contagious diseases. But you appear to have evidence
    of additional deaths from other causes - do tell us the causes and
    numbers involved, Tony.
    The word I used is additional - do get help with your English comprehension. >No, just watch and listen to the link I posted. There is plenty there to puzzle
    your tiny brain.

    Here is another link that may assist you, Tony. (I went back to that
    part of the thread before some "strategic" deletions had been made to
    try and avoid reality - perhaps this example will show you that
    deleting posts (as you are inclined to so) is ultimately part of what
    may have confused you . . .

    https://twitter.com/publicaddress/status/1731192011271934419?

    and

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/503866/te-whatu-ora-vaccination-data-leak-a-devastating-breach-of-trust

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Dec 3 21:28:51 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 01:37:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 23:31:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 2 Dec 2023 21:38:42 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-12-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?mref=s9inf&mc=5hion&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
    We need a real and open review of the covid pandemic and our response >>>>>>>to
    it
    -
    let us hope that happens.

    Covid was a global event and what is needed is a global and open review. >>>>>>Many Western countries had had similar stats. No suprising cause most >>>>>>responded in the same way with the same virus.

    Were the Governments strings being pulled and telling them what to say to >>>>>>the masses. Why did the countries all follow the same path, why were the >>>>>>question voices shut down, why was the conversation about the excess >>>>>>deaths
    totally stified?

    Truth is working on it.

    See: >>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~RUS~MEX~BRA~IRN~PER~AUS~NZL~NOR~DNK~SWE~GBR~GRC~FRA~SGP~ZAF~ESP~THA~ISR~IRL~JPN~URY~DEU~SRB~NLD~FIN~EGY~CAN~PHL~POL

    There were subtle differences - for example Sweden was seen as leading >>>>>the way at one stage by reducing precautions against infection - they >>>>>did not do as well as nearby countries Norway and Denmark as a result >>>>>. . .

    New Zealand did very well - being one of the few countries that had a >>>>>reduction in deaths from those experienced pre-Covid - that has been >>>>>reversed as we dropped precautions and the crazies persuaded some not >>>>>to continue vaccinations.
    That is one side - the other says there have been additional deaths. Take >>>>your
    pick because that is what you do - those of us who care will keep an open >>>>mind.

    Of course there have been deaths from causes other than Covid - for >>>example we had deaths from traffic accidents - lower than normal
    through the period of lock-downs, but they were there nevertheless. We >>>also had lower deaths from colds and influenza - limitations on
    visitors to rest homes, retirement villages and hospital wards reduced >>>deaths from other contagious diseases. But you appear to have evidence
    of additional deaths from other causes - do tell us the causes and >>>numbers involved, Tony.
    The word I used is additional - do get help with your English comprehension. >>No, just watch and listen to the link I posted. There is plenty there to >>puzzle
    your tiny brain.

    Here is another link that may assist you, Tony.
    I am not in need of assistance, especially from soneon who lies automatically and consistently - offer your help to your heroes.
    (I went back to that
    part of the thread before some "strategic" deletions had been made to
    try and avoid reality - perhaps this example will show you that
    deleting posts (as you are inclined to so) is ultimately part of what
    may have confused you . . .
    I am not confused, there were no strategic deletions - you are lying again.

    https://twitter.com/publicaddress/status/1731192011271934419?
    Meaningless ,and off topic.

    and

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/503866/te-whatu-ora-vaccination-data-leak-a-devastating-breach-of-trust
    No breach of trust - we should be told what people know and believe.

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