https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to
take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to
require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to
take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues toOK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to
take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche).
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbuse removed.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to
take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
What is crazy is a government deciding to compete with the gangs inBullshit.
selling addictive and harmful drugs - and all to raise money to reduce
taxes for the most wealthy New Zealanders! and they propose to
encourage more dairy owners to stock their product to make more money
by expanding the market! Just good business for the National Party - >"Right", Tony? Still the competition may be something the gangs are
not used to - if it gives them a headache or a cold the government is
helping by making pseudoephedrene more easily obtained . . .
I do, more than 50% of NZ voters do, you do not.Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche).
This threeheaded monster is being given a chance, but they do not seem
to be very well prepared. Still, from Monday Chris Hipkins will cease
to be Prime Minister, and Chris Luxton will have the job. Let us wish
them well . . .
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes he will ignore that because he actually hates his fellow countrymen, no other explanation makes sense, unless he is paid to abuse, defame and complain.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to
take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche).
Rich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the
point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along
the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new >government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-actNot at all, but perhaps you self identify as a crazy - on the other
OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to
take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche).
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche).
Rich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the
point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along
the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:From the ACT / Nat agreement, under "Health":
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbuse removed.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
Bullshit.
What is crazy is a government deciding to compete with the gangs in
selling addictive and harmful drugs - and all to raise money to reduce >>taxes for the most wealthy New Zealanders! and they propose to
encourage more dairy owners to stock their product to make more money
by expanding the market! Just good business for the National Party - >>"Right", Tony? Still the competition may be something the gangs are
not used to - if it gives them a headache or a cold the government is >>helping by making pseudoephedrene more easily obtained . . .
I doubt that John Key banned pseudoephedrine because he hated New
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche).
I do, more than 50% of NZ voters do, you do not.
This threeheaded monster is being given a chance, but they do not seem
to be very well prepared. Still, from Monday Chris Hipkins will cease
to be Prime Minister, and Chris Luxton will have the job. Let us wish
them well . . .
Tell us, what happened to you to make you such a sour, hater of fairness and >balance?
Were you dropped on your head as a child or bullied at school?
Maybe you are just a sad little man with a victim complex.
Most likely nothing other than a sociopath.
You certainly need a cure for something.
On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 03:46:22 -0000 (UTC), TonyYoun stupid man - there is nothing that states it is available without a prescription - so you are twisting the truth.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:From the ACT / Nat agreement, under "Health":
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbuse removed.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1 >>>>>
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . . >>>>OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
Bullshit.
What is crazy is a government deciding to compete with the gangs in >>>selling addictive and harmful drugs - and all to raise money to reduce >>>taxes for the most wealthy New Zealanders! and they propose to
encourage more dairy owners to stock their product to make more money
by expanding the market! Just good business for the National Party - >>>"Right", Tony? Still the competition may be something the gangs are
not used to - if it gives them a headache or a cold the government is >>>helping by making pseudoephedrene more easily obtained . . .
"Allow the sale of cold medication containing pseudoephedrine."
From Google:
Can you get pseudoephedrine in New Zealand?
"The Government banned over-the-counter sales of pseudoephedrine in
2011, with then-prime minister Sir John Key touting it as a way to
combat methamphetamine production. Pseudoephedrine is an ingredient of
meth. 21 Sept 2023 "
The thrills of an unfettered free market not to your liking, Tony?
You are the one that hates New Zealanders and you know it. Just like many here know it.Zealanders, Tony. Perhaps you like the thought of this government
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>>>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche). >I doubt that John Key banned pseudoephedrine because he hated New
making it easier to manufacture meth?
Clearly that is a lie - but then you lie continually.I do, more than 50% of NZ voters do, you do not.
This threeheaded monster is being given a chance, but they do not seem
to be very well prepared. Still, from Monday Chris Hipkins will cease
to be Prime Minister, and Chris Luxton will have the job. Let us wish >>>them well . . .
Tell us, what happened to you to make you such a sour, hater of fairness and >>balance?
Were you dropped on your head as a child or bullied at school?
Maybe you are just a sad little man with a victim complex.
Most likely nothing other than a sociopath.
You certainly need a cure for something.
I'd settle for a cure from poor policies, Tony, but it seems that the
tobacco companies and the pharmaceutical industries just need some
payback for their employment of National neophytes and their political >donations. If you are looking for good in the NActfirst policies then
I like most of what they are planning for vaping - clearly they were
short on donations . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So what does it mean, Tony?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 03:46:22 -0000 (UTC), TonyYoun stupid man - there is nothing that states it is available without a >prescription - so you are twisting the truth.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:From the ACT / Nat agreement, under "Health":
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Abuse removed.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1 >>>>>>
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . . >>>>>OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
Bullshit.
What is crazy is a government deciding to compete with the gangs in >>>>selling addictive and harmful drugs - and all to raise money to reduce >>>>taxes for the most wealthy New Zealanders! and they propose to >>>>encourage more dairy owners to stock their product to make more money >>>>by expanding the market! Just good business for the National Party - >>>>"Right", Tony? Still the competition may be something the gangs are >>>>not used to - if it gives them a headache or a cold the government is >>>>helping by making pseudoephedrene more easily obtained . . .
"Allow the sale of cold medication containing pseudoephedrine."
From Google:
Can you get pseudoephedrine in New Zealand?
"The Government banned over-the-counter sales of pseudoephedrine in
2011, with then-prime minister Sir John Key touting it as a way to
combat methamphetamine production. Pseudoephedrine is an ingredient of >>meth. 21 Sept 2023 "
The thrills of an unfettered free market not to your liking, Tony?
And apart from that, the rest of the bullshit paragraph from you is still >bullshit.
You are the one that hates New Zealanders and you know it. Just like many here >know it.making it easier to manufacture meth?
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>>>>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche). >>I doubt that John Key banned pseudoephedrine because he hated New >>Zealanders, Tony. Perhaps you like the thought of this government
Clearly that is a lie - but then you lie continually.
I do, more than 50% of NZ voters do, you do not.
This threeheaded monster is being given a chance, but they do not seem >>>>to be very well prepared. Still, from Monday Chris Hipkins will cease >>>>to be Prime Minister, and Chris Luxton will have the job. Let us wish >>>>them well . . .
Tell us, what happened to you to make you such a sour, hater of fairness and >>>balance?
Were you dropped on your head as a child or bullied at school?
Maybe you are just a sad little man with a victim complex.
Most likely nothing other than a sociopath.
You certainly need a cure for something.
I'd settle for a cure from poor policies, Tony, but it seems that the >>tobacco companies and the pharmaceutical industries just need some
payback for their employment of National neophytes and their political >>donations. If you are looking for good in the NActfirst policies then
I like most of what they are planning for vaping - clearly they were
short on donations . . .
On 26 Nov 2023 07:54:29 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:I believe National insisted on publishing them, Peter's is unlikely to have wanted it and Seymour probably doesn't care.
On 2023-11-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyAnd what the people want.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-actRich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>>>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche). >>>
New Zealand?s slapdash new government has no vision ? only a plan to >>>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1 >>>>>
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . . >>>>OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along
the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new
government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
Some folks are not yet up to speed that a Government forms
by 2 or more parties under MMP. So what each party says it will do gets >>modified by the negotations to form the Government.
And some of those changes are good - raising funds for tax cuts
through encouraging foreign purchases of expensive houses in New
Zealand would have been disastrous - as well as not raising enough
money for the tax cuts anyway. Good on NZ First for insisting on that
change, although I suspect National are grateful for not having to
admit it would never have raised enough money anyway.
The subject of a four year term has now been raised by more than just
Labour and National. I suspect this may have been a similar attempt at >distraction as Key's flag referendum however; and deliberate worldwide >actions over the last ten years or so by the Right (e.g. in the UK,
USA and Australia as well as New Zealand) to reduce trust in
government will kill that idea.
As the agreements have been published in the public domain we can see what >>has been changed. Long may that continue.
Publishing them will have little impact - many will not see the light
of day due to other priorities; and that is anticipated in the wording
of quite a few, but National had no options but to publish - both
Peters and Seymour knew that nothing would happen on any of them
unless they were published. The underlying issue is that the decline
in support for both National and Labour has led us towards more
parties having a real presence in parliament. I think that is good -
and I believe a pre-condition of moving to four years would be to do
away with the 5% threshold. Yes that would result in more crazies
being elected, but we have seen that in other countries - Australia
has coped for example - but it would ensure that a wider set of views
would be seen in parliament - and that may in itself help us better >understand the need for tolerating different viewpoints and to
''sell'' policies more carefully. ACT has been very clever in
promoting the "libertarian" right to express abhorrent views, while >maintaining a stricter gag in their own MPs than other parties to
ensure that the only ACT views were through the double-speak careful
script of Seymour.
On 2023-11-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyAnd what the people want.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-actRich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the
OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
New Zealand?s slapdash new government has no vision ? only a plan to >>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche). >>
point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along
the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new
government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
Some folks are not yet up to speed that a Government forms
by 2 or more parties under MMP. So what each party says it will do gets >modified by the negotations to form the Government.
As the agreements have been published in the public domain we can see what >has been changed. Long may that continue.
On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 19:57:45 -0000 (UTC), TonyNothing.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So what does it mean, Tony?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 03:46:22 -0000 (UTC), TonyYoun stupid man - there is nothing that states it is available without a >>prescription - so you are twisting the truth.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:From the ACT / Nat agreement, under "Health":
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Abuse removed.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>>>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1 >>>>>>>
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . . >>>>>>OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
What is crazy is a government deciding to compete with the gangs in >>>>>selling addictive and harmful drugs - and all to raise money to reduce >>>>>taxes for the most wealthy New Zealanders! and they propose to >>>>>encourage more dairy owners to stock their product to make more money >>>>>by expanding the market! Just good business for the National Party - >>>>>"Right", Tony? Still the competition may be something the gangs are >>>>>not used to - if it gives them a headache or a cold the government is >>>>>helping by making pseudoephedrene more easily obtained . . . >>>>Bullshit.
"Allow the sale of cold medication containing pseudoephedrine."
From Google:
Can you get pseudoephedrine in New Zealand?
"The Government banned over-the-counter sales of pseudoephedrine in
2011, with then-prime minister Sir John Key touting it as a way to
combat methamphetamine production. Pseudoephedrine is an ingredient of >>>meth. 21 Sept 2023 "
The thrills of an unfettered free market not to your liking, Tony?
See also: >https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/11/24/pseudoephedrine-to-go-back-on-shelves-after-lengthy-banPharmacy shelves, and may well be prescription only, you don't know - so no problem then.
So will we see more ram raids - but this time of chemists as well asNo we will see less because the stupid smoke free law will go and be replaced with one that has a chance of working.
shops selling tobacco products?
And apart from that, the rest of the bullshit paragraph from you is still >>bullshit.
You are the one that hates New Zealanders and you know it. Just like many >>hereI doubt that John Key banned pseudoephedrine because he hated New >>>Zealanders, Tony. Perhaps you like the thought of this government
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them.
Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>>>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche).
making it easier to manufacture meth?
know it.
Clearly that is a lie - but then you lie continually.
I do, more than 50% of NZ voters do, you do not.
This threeheaded monster is being given a chance, but they do not seem >>>>>to be very well prepared. Still, from Monday Chris Hipkins will cease >>>>>to be Prime Minister, and Chris Luxton will have the job. Let us wish >>>>>them well . . .
Tell us, what happened to you to make you such a sour, hater of fairness >>>>and
balance?
Were you dropped on your head as a child or bullied at school?
Maybe you are just a sad little man with a victim complex.
Most likely nothing other than a sociopath.
You certainly need a cure for something.
I'd settle for a cure from poor policies, Tony, but it seems that the >>>tobacco companies and the pharmaceutical industries just need some >>>payback for their employment of National neophytes and their political >>>donations. If you are looking for good in the NActfirst policies then
I like most of what they are planning for vaping - clearly they were >>>short on donations . . .
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to
take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche).
Rich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the
point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along
the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new >government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:They are driven by hate and despair. We all should give the new government a chance. I did for the last two but they let us all down really badly.
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-actRich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the
OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche). >>
point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along
the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new >>government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
Rich is going to implode over the next few months as the new
governments policies are rolled out. I see now in the media the left
crying that the new policies will kill people and cause loss of jobs.
Sore losers I guess.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-actRich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the
OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche). >>
point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along
the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new >>government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
Rich is going to implode over the next few months as the new
governments policies are rolled out.
I see now in the media the left
crying that the new policies will kill people and cause loss of jobs.
Sore losers I guess.
Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:They are driven by hate and despair. We all should give the new government a >chance. I did for the last two but they let us all down really badly.
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-actRich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the >>>point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>>>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche). >>>
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1 >>>>>
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . . >>>>OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new >>>government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
Rich is going to implode over the next few months as the new
governments policies are rolled out. I see now in the media the left >>crying that the new policies will kill people and cause loss of jobs.
Sore losers I guess.
On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:47:29 -0000 (UTC), TonyAll thinking people, and you, agree that smoking is awful and the damage it does to smokers and their familie is appalling. But as usual that is not and never was the point of this thread.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:They are driven by hate and despair. We all should give the new government a >>chance. I did for the last two but they let us all down really badly.
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-actRich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the >>>>point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along >>>>the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new >>>>government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>>>>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche). >>>>
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1 >>>>>>
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . . >>>>>OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
Rich is going to implode over the next few months as the new
governments policies are rolled out. I see now in the media the left >>>crying that the new policies will kill people and cause loss of jobs. >>>Sore losers I guess.
Smoking does kill, and that will increase as stupid young people get
addicted - all due to opening up the market. It will be interesting to
see how many retailers decide that they do not wish to take the risks
of ram raids and violent thefts , but I do feel sorry for anyone that
gets emphysema - I know one person going through that at present; it
is a horrible disease. I cannot understand a government essentially
putting a reduction in tax ahead of the lives of New Zealanders.
Do you agree with that policy change, Tony?Yes I do because the Labour plan was never going to work and would have just as big an incentive for ram raids as any other legislation that I have heard of - therefore destroying your fatuous argument which is actually just political bull.
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 01:26:40 -0000 (UTC), TonySpin away all you like. Lie as much as always but here is the truth.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Not just in my mind - also in the mind of Nicola Willis.
On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:47:29 -0000 (UTC), TonyAll thinking people, and you, agree that smoking is awful and the damage it >>does to smokers and their familie is appalling. But as usual that is not and >>never was the point of this thread.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:They are driven by hate and despair. We all should give the new government >>>>a
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by >>>>>>>them.
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>>>>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>>>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1 >>>>>>>>
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>>>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press? >>>>>>>>
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . . >>>>>>>OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>>>>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his >>>>>>>psyche).
Rich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the >>>>>>point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along >>>>>>the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new >>>>>>government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
Rich is going to implode over the next few months as the new >>>>>governments policies are rolled out. I see now in the media the left >>>>>crying that the new policies will kill people and cause loss of jobs. >>>>>Sore losers I guess.
chance. I did for the last two but they let us all down really badly.
Smoking does kill, and that will increase as stupid young people get >>>addicted - all due to opening up the market. It will be interesting to >>>see how many retailers decide that they do not wish to take the risks
of ram raids and violent thefts , but I do feel sorry for anyone that >>>gets emphysema - I know one person going through that at present; it
is a horrible disease. I cannot understand a government essentially >>>putting a reduction in tax ahead of the lives of New Zealanders.
Nobody is defending smoking and you suggesting that they are is really >>vicious,
and yes that is exactly your implication. It is nothing to do with tax except >>in your mind, it is to do with something that might work (not yet achieved >>anywehere in the world).
Perhaps you missed this link: >https://twitter.com/NewshubNationNZ/status/1728152606545948701
Do you agree with that policy change, Tony?
Yes I do because the Labour plan was never going to work and would have just >>as
big an incentive for ram raids as any other legislation that I have heard of >>-
therefore destroying your fatuous argument which is actually just political >>bull.
You have given no reason why you think the Labour plan was not already >working - we know from the reduction in tax on tobacco products that
it was working. Labour had plans to restrict the number of outlets
thus reducing the incentive for ram raids, although they have been
targeting alcohol as well. Seymour has rabbited on about how it is not >possible to determine peoples age when they buy cigarettes, but that
is being done now and can continue.
Now National plan to open up purchased to some who have never legally
been able to buy tobacco - purely to be able to use the taxes to pay
for tax cuts. The increased revenue from cigarettes comes with long
term costs to our health system - but Willis and Luxon only care about
the short term, and in particular they do not care about additional
deaths. Yet again Tony you do not listen to others and once more miss
the point - fatuous appears to be one of your favourite words -
perhaps you have often been called that.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Not just in my mind - also in the mind of Nicola Willis.
On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:47:29 -0000 (UTC), TonyAll thinking people, and you, agree that smoking is awful and the damage it >does to smokers and their familie is appalling. But as usual that is not and >never was the point of this thread.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:They are driven by hate and despair. We all should give the new government a >>>chance. I did for the last two but they let us all down really badly.
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them.
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>>>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1 >>>>>>>
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . . >>>>>>OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>>>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche).
Rich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the >>>>>point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along >>>>>the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new >>>>>government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
Rich is going to implode over the next few months as the new >>>>governments policies are rolled out. I see now in the media the left >>>>crying that the new policies will kill people and cause loss of jobs. >>>>Sore losers I guess.
Smoking does kill, and that will increase as stupid young people get >>addicted - all due to opening up the market. It will be interesting to
see how many retailers decide that they do not wish to take the risks
of ram raids and violent thefts , but I do feel sorry for anyone that
gets emphysema - I know one person going through that at present; it
is a horrible disease. I cannot understand a government essentially
putting a reduction in tax ahead of the lives of New Zealanders.
Nobody is defending smoking and you suggesting that they are is really vicious,
and yes that is exactly your implication. It is nothing to do with tax except >in your mind, it is to do with something that might work (not yet achieved >anywehere in the world).
Do you agree with that policy change, Tony?
Yes I do because the Labour plan was never going to work and would have just as
big an incentive for ram raids as any other legislation that I have heard of - >therefore destroying your fatuous argument which is actually just political >bull.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Now you are just being offensive - imputing your own views on others.
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 01:26:40 -0000 (UTC), TonySpin away all you like. Lie as much as always but here is the truth.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Not just in my mind - also in the mind of Nicola Willis.
On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:47:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:All thinking people, and you, agree that smoking is awful and the damage it >>>does to smokers and their familie is appalling. But as usual that is not and >>>never was the point of this thread.
Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:They are driven by hate and despair. We all should give the new government >>>>>a
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by >>>>>>>>them.
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>>>>>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>>>>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1 >>>>>>>>>
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>>>>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press? >>>>>>>>>
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . . >>>>>>>>OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>>>>>>>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his >>>>>>>>psyche).
Rich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the >>>>>>>point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along >>>>>>>the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new >>>>>>>government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
Rich is going to implode over the next few months as the new >>>>>>governments policies are rolled out. I see now in the media the left >>>>>>crying that the new policies will kill people and cause loss of jobs. >>>>>>Sore losers I guess.
chance. I did for the last two but they let us all down really badly.
Smoking does kill, and that will increase as stupid young people get >>>>addicted - all due to opening up the market. It will be interesting to >>>>see how many retailers decide that they do not wish to take the risks >>>>of ram raids and violent thefts , but I do feel sorry for anyone that >>>>gets emphysema - I know one person going through that at present; it
is a horrible disease. I cannot understand a government essentially >>>>putting a reduction in tax ahead of the lives of New Zealanders.
Nobody is defending smoking and you suggesting that they are is really >>>vicious,
and yes that is exactly your implication. It is nothing to do with tax except
in your mind, it is to do with something that might work (not yet achieved >>>anywehere in the world).
Perhaps you missed this link: >>https://twitter.com/NewshubNationNZ/status/1728152606545948701
Do you agree with that policy change, Tony?
Yes I do because the Labour plan was never going to work and would have just >>>as
big an incentive for ram raids as any other legislation that I have heard of >>>-
therefore destroying your fatuous argument which is actually just political >>>bull.
You have given no reason why you think the Labour plan was not already >>working - we know from the reduction in tax on tobacco products that
it was working. Labour had plans to restrict the number of outlets
thus reducing the incentive for ram raids, although they have been >>targeting alcohol as well. Seymour has rabbited on about how it is not >>possible to determine peoples age when they buy cigarettes, but that
is being done now and can continue.
Now National plan to open up purchased to some who have never legally
been able to buy tobacco - purely to be able to use the taxes to pay
for tax cuts. The increased revenue from cigarettes comes with long
term costs to our health system - but Willis and Luxon only care about
the short term, and in particular they do not care about additional
deaths. Yet again Tony you do not listen to others and once more miss
the point - fatuous appears to be one of your favourite words -
perhaps you have often been called that.
You object to the change because it suits you to do so for purely political >reasons. You don't actually give a damn about our kids.
I care about the kids that will start to smoke and the Labour plan did nothing >to stop that - it would never work because cigarettes will still be available >regardless, merely more expensive and underground.
We need something significantly better.
Your are a fool if you think your faux caring for our children's children is >believed by anybody - no, you are politically grandstanding - that is all - >just politics - you are a sham and quite evil.
Keep spinning your words but we know what you really are.
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 03:44:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo you are the offensive fool, I am just expressing an opinion based on your behavoir over many years. Simple, factual and fair.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Now you are just being offensive - imputing your own views on others.
On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 01:26:40 -0000 (UTC), TonySpin away all you like. Lie as much as always but here is the truth.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Not just in my mind - also in the mind of Nicola Willis.
On Sun, 26 Nov 2023 21:47:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:All thinking people, and you, agree that smoking is awful and the damage it >>>>does to smokers and their familie is appalling. But as usual that is not >>>>and
Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> wrote:Smoking does kill, and that will increase as stupid young people get >>>>>addicted - all due to opening up the market. It will be interesting to >>>>>see how many retailers decide that they do not wish to take the risks >>>>>of ram raids and violent thefts , but I do feel sorry for anyone that >>>>>gets emphysema - I know one person going through that at present; it >>>>>is a horrible disease. I cannot understand a government essentially >>>>>putting a reduction in tax ahead of the lives of New Zealanders.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:They are driven by hate and despair. We all should give the new >>>>>>government
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Rich is going to implode over the next few months as the new >>>>>>>governments policies are rolled out. I see now in the media the left >>>>>>>crying that the new policies will kill people and cause loss of jobs. >>>>>>>Sore losers I guess.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by >>>>>>>>>them.
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>>>>>>>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>>>>>>>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1 >>>>>>>>>>
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>>>>>>>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press? >>>>>>>>>>
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . . >>>>>>>>>OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New >>>>>>>>>Zealanders,
otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his >>>>>>>>>psyche).
Rich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the >>>>>>>>point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along >>>>>>>>the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new >>>>>>>>government is doing what its constituent parties said they would. >>>>>>>
a
chance. I did for the last two but they let us all down really badly. >>>>>
never was the point of this thread.
Nobody is defending smoking and you suggesting that they are is really >>>>vicious,
and yes that is exactly your implication. It is nothing to do with tax >>>>except
in your mind, it is to do with something that might work (not yet achieved >>>>anywehere in the world).
Perhaps you missed this link: >>>https://twitter.com/NewshubNationNZ/status/1728152606545948701
Do you agree with that policy change, Tony?
Yes I do because the Labour plan was never going to work and would have >>>>just
as
big an incentive for ram raids as any other legislation that I have heard >>>>of
-
therefore destroying your fatuous argument which is actually just political >>>>bull.
You have given no reason why you think the Labour plan was not already >>>working - we know from the reduction in tax on tobacco products that
it was working. Labour had plans to restrict the number of outlets
thus reducing the incentive for ram raids, although they have been >>>targeting alcohol as well. Seymour has rabbited on about how it is not >>>possible to determine peoples age when they buy cigarettes, but that
is being done now and can continue.
Now National plan to open up purchased to some who have never legally >>>been able to buy tobacco - purely to be able to use the taxes to pay
for tax cuts. The increased revenue from cigarettes comes with long
term costs to our health system - but Willis and Luxon only care about >>>the short term, and in particular they do not care about additional >>>deaths. Yet again Tony you do not listen to others and once more miss
the point - fatuous appears to be one of your favourite words -
perhaps you have often been called that.
You object to the change because it suits you to do so for purely political >>reasons. You don't actually give a damn about our kids.
I was referring to your words not some other idiotic, no-consequence, alternative poltical garbage.I care about the kids that will start to smoke and the Labour plan did >>nothing
to stop that - it would never work because cigarettes will still be available >>regardless, merely more expensive and underground.
We need something significantly better.
Your are a fool if you think your faux caring for our children's children is >>believed by anybody - no, you are politically grandstanding - that is all - >>just politics - you are a sham and quite evil.
Keep spinning your words but we know what you really are.
Not my words: >https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/301015744/no-doubt-now-that-antimori-sentiment-powered-the-election-result
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-actpoint of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue along
OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche). Rich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the
the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
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Crash McBash
Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2023 22:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/24/new-zealand-new-coalition-government-national-nz-first-act
OK so someone with a contrary view is a crazy? Right?
New Zealand’s slapdash new government has no vision – only a plan to >>>take us backwards.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1728152606545948701
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/health-experts-condemn-new-government-s-plans-to-scrap-smokefree-legislation.html
https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1714340776438874589/photo/1 >>>https://twitter.com/domesticanimal/status/1728488342537527800/photo/1
And a different question: Should ACT lose funding if it continues to >>>require none of them except Seymour to ever speak to the press?
Now watch the crazies object to the "opinions" expressed above . . .
Good job your party is dying if that sort of nonsense is believed by them. >>Otherwise a stupid post and posted by someone who hates New Zealanders, >>otherwise he would give this government a chance (not part of his psyche).
Rich is looking at actions that the new Government is taking from the >point of view of rabid enmity. I expect that he will continue alongRich is going to implode over the next few months as the new
the lines started with this thread - ignoring the fact that the new >government is doing what its constituent parties said they would.
governments policies are rolled out. I see now in the media the left
crying that the new policies will kill people and cause loss of jobs.
Sore losers I guess.
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