• Strong and Stable - not?

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 14:03:46 2023
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Nov 23 02:16:33 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/major-international-economic-consultancy-downgrades-new-zealands-political-stability-to-lowest-since-financial-crisis-citing-tensions-within-next-government/7NLN2LPZURAXTMNCE64G4SM7DU/

    Paywalled of course, but the url gives the gist of the story . . .
    Meaningless unless you are a Labour supporter and then it is weak poitical ammunition. Hint - Labour need a lifetime of achievements, not political rhetoric.

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  • From Mutley@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Nov 23 16:13:07 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/major-international-economic-consultancy-downgrades-new-zealands-political-stability-to-lowest-since-financial-crisis-citing-tensions-within-next-government/7NLN2LPZURAXTMNCE64G4SM7DU/

    Paywalled of course, but the url gives the gist of the story . . .

    Yep that Labor has screwed up the NZ economy over 6 years.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 20:08:45 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:03:46 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/major-international-economic-consultancy-downgrades-new-zealands-political-stability-to-lowest-since-financial-crisis-citing-tensions-within-next-government/7NLN2LPZURAXTMNCE64G4SM7DU/

    Paywalled of course, but the url gives the gist of the story . . .

    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5%
    threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for. If NZF were not in
    Parliament we would have had a National/ACT government long ago.
    Negotiating coalition agreements is what Winston drags out for maximum
    reward from minimal electoral success.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Nov 23 07:43:28 2023
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:03:46 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/major-international-economic-consultancy-downgrades-new-zealands-political-stability-to-lowest-since-financial-crisis-citing-tensions-within-next-government/7NLN2LPZURAXTMNCE64G4SM7DU/

    Paywalled of course, but the url gives the gist of the story . . .

    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5%
    threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for. If NZF were not in
    Parliament we would have had a National/ACT government long ago.
    Negotiating coalition agreements is what Winston drags out for maximum
    reward from minimal electoral success.


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    Crash McBash
    That is exactly correct. He has in the past done some good but now is almost entirely damaging.

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Nov 23 08:34:16 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5%
    threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for.

    That's me, and I look forward to what Winston has delivered. The end
    of fluoridation and pardoning of the covid protesters would be good.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Nov 23 22:23:26 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 07:43:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:03:46 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/major-international-economic-consultancy-downgrades-new-zealands-political-stability-to-lowest-since-financial-crisis-citing-tensions-within-next-government/7NLN2LPZURAXTMNCE64G4SM7DU/

    Paywalled of course, but the url gives the gist of the story . . .

    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5% >>threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for. If NZF were not in >>Parliament we would have had a National/ACT government long ago. >>Negotiating coalition agreements is what Winston drags out for maximum >>reward from minimal electoral success.


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    Crash McBash
    That is exactly correct. He has in the past done some good but now is almost >entirely damaging.

    Those that voted for NZ First may not agree. In what way has he been
    damaging since the election?

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Thu Nov 23 20:03:32 2023
    On 2023-11-23, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5% >>>threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for.

    That's me, and I look forward to what Winston has delivered. The end
    of fluoridation and pardoning of the covid protesters would be good.
    I certainly support the second of those two aims, however no others that I know
    of. Not enough to support his party.

    Anti Co-coverancce for staters.

    Formally objection to the WHO power grab.

    Immigration control

    As we have said in the past Winston has the right script but plays silly beggers.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Nov 23 19:48:03 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 07:43:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 14:03:46 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/major-international-economic-consultancy-downgrades-new-zealands-political-stability-to-lowest-since-financial-crisis-citing-tensions-within-next-government/7NLN2LPZURAXTMNCE64G4SM7DU/

    Paywalled of course, but the url gives the gist of the story . . .

    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5% >>>threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for. If NZF were not in >>>Parliament we would have had a National/ACT government long ago. >>>Negotiating coalition agreements is what Winston drags out for maximum >>>reward from minimal electoral success.


    --
    Crash McBash
    That is exactly correct. He has in the past done some good but now is almost >>entirely damaging.

    Those that voted for NZ First may not agree.
    Wow, well done - for most people that would be a redundant statement - for you it borders on brilliance (relatively of course).
    In what way has he been
    damaging since the election?
    I didn't mention the election - why is it such a sour memory?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Thu Nov 23 19:50:47 2023
    wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5% >>threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for.

    That's me, and I look forward to what Winston has delivered. The end
    of fluoridation and pardoning of the covid protesters would be good.
    I certainly support the second of those two aims, however no others that I know of. Not enough to support his party.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Fri Nov 24 10:37:40 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:34:16 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5% >>threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for.

    That's me, and I look forward to what Winston has delivered. The end
    of fluoridation and pardoning of the covid protesters would be good.

    I can't see National or ACT agreeing to pardon people that threw
    concrete pavers at police. Nobody got arrested for protesting against
    covid - although I cannot imagine anyone supporting the virus . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Nov 23 22:21:49 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:34:16 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5% >>>threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for.

    That's me, and I look forward to what Winston has delivered. The end
    of fluoridation and pardoning of the covid protesters would be good.

    I can't see National or ACT agreeing to pardon people that threw
    concrete pavers at police. Nobody got arrested for protesting against
    covid - although I cannot imagine anyone supporting the virus . . .
    So you believe concrete throwing people were protesting against covid but nobody was arrested for protesting against covid. Make you mind up. Additionally your sarcasm is noted.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Nov 23 23:55:29 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 22:21:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:34:16 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5% >>>>>threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for.

    That's me, and I look forward to what Winston has delivered. The end >>>>of fluoridation and pardoning of the covid protesters would be good.

    I can't see National or ACT agreeing to pardon people that threw
    concrete pavers at police. Nobody got arrested for protesting against >>>covid - although I cannot imagine anyone supporting the virus . . .
    So you believe concrete throwing people were protesting against covid but >>nobody was arrested for protesting against covid. Make you mind up. >>Additionally your sarcasm is noted.
    There were only a small number of people that appeared to welcome
    covid - some thought it related to their religion for example, but the
    vast majority wanted it gone, wanted to be vaccinated, and wanted the >government to save the lives of them and their families - the
    government did better at that than virtually any other country. Nobody
    was arrested or convicted for protesting against covid, so there is no
    need for any pardons.
    Ah OK, so you changed your mind - good on you. Of course there were protests against covid responses and some protesters were arrested.
    Glad you agree.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Nov 24 12:19:58 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 22:21:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:34:16 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5% >>>>threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for.

    That's me, and I look forward to what Winston has delivered. The end
    of fluoridation and pardoning of the covid protesters would be good.

    I can't see National or ACT agreeing to pardon people that threw
    concrete pavers at police. Nobody got arrested for protesting against
    covid - although I cannot imagine anyone supporting the virus . . .
    So you believe concrete throwing people were protesting against covid but >nobody was arrested for protesting against covid. Make you mind up. >Additionally your sarcasm is noted.
    There were only a small number of people that appeared to welcome
    covid - some thought it related to their religion for example, but the
    vast majority wanted it gone, wanted to be vaccinated, and wanted the government to save the lives of them and their families - the
    government did better at that than virtually any other country. Nobody
    was arrested or convicted for protesting against covid, so there is no
    need for any pardons.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Nov 24 14:48:36 2023
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 22:21:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:34:16 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5% >>>>threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for.

    That's me, and I look forward to what Winston has delivered. The end
    of fluoridation and pardoning of the covid protesters would be good.

    I can't see National or ACT agreeing to pardon people that threw
    concrete pavers at police. Nobody got arrested for protesting against
    covid - although I cannot imagine anyone supporting the virus . . .
    So you believe concrete throwing people were protesting against covid but >nobody was arrested for protesting against covid. Make you mind up. >Additionally your sarcasm is noted.
    Those arrested for throwing concrete were rioting - they were not
    covid protesters.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Nov 24 02:36:56 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 22:21:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 08:34:16 GMT, wn@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Thu, 23 Nov 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    The 30,000 or so party voters that voted NZF to get it over the 5% >>>>>threshold do indeed have a lot to answer for.

    That's me, and I look forward to what Winston has delivered. The end >>>>of fluoridation and pardoning of the covid protesters would be good.

    I can't see National or ACT agreeing to pardon people that threw
    concrete pavers at police. Nobody got arrested for protesting against >>>covid - although I cannot imagine anyone supporting the virus . . .
    So you believe concrete throwing people were protesting against covid but >>nobody was arrested for protesting against covid. Make you mind up. >>Additionally your sarcasm is noted.
    Those arrested for throwing concrete were rioting - they were not
    covid protesters.
    So you say, but at best that is a guess and most likely deliberate misinformation.

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