without getting anywhere: >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.htmlWhat a load of political bias.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
without getting anywhere: >>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.htmlWhat a load of political bias.
Yes we want a government formed but about 14 days since the final results is >much bette than other MMP countries have achieved.
Those who want a quick solution do not care about this country - you are one >such.
without getting anywhere: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.html
On 2023-11-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Exactly, the hurry up folk are totally missing the point.
without getting anywhere:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.html
A fact seems to be escaping many people. In any negotations the time it
takes grows faster than the number of parties involved.
In this particular case there are three "separate", not joined at the hip >parties which makes thinking more difficult. And yes one of on the parties
is "difficult". The 2017 case was basically the Labour/Green party and NZF. >Basically two parties. Not three.
History also shows that negotation progress is not linear. There is alot of >around the mullberry bush movements and the all of a sudden it is a done deal.
What NZ wants is a stable Government, robust negotations will give the >country of having this.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Wrong parties - that government was Labour/NZ First - the Green Party
On 2023-11-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
without getting anywhere:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.html
A fact seems to be escaping many people. In any negotations the time it >>takes grows faster than the number of parties involved.
In this particular case there are three "separate", not joined at the hip >>parties which makes thinking more difficult. And yes one of on the parties >>is "difficult". The 2017 case was basically the Labour/Green party and NZF. >>Basically two parties. Not three.
History also shows that negotation progress is not linear. There is alot of >>around the mullberry bush movements and the all of a sudden it is a done deal.Exactly, the hurry up folk are totally missing the point.
What NZ wants is a stable Government, robust negotations will give the >>country of having this.
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 23:32:15 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are replying to someobody else - do so directly.,
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Wrong parties - that government was Labour/NZ First - the Green Party
On 2023-11-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
without getting anywhere:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.html
A fact seems to be escaping many people. In any negotations the time it >>>takes grows faster than the number of parties involved.
In this particular case there are three "separate", not joined at the hip >>>parties which makes thinking more difficult. And yes one of on the parties >>>is "difficult". The 2017 case was basically the Labour/Green party and NZF. >>>Basically two parties. Not three.
were outside the coalition but provided confidence and supply. We may
this time have an NZFIrst / National coalition with ACT providing
support only (perhaps with a Minister outside Cabinet).
No he didn't - give a cite if he did. You are changing tack - you complained that it was taking too long.History also shows that negotation progress is not linear. There is alot of >>>around the mullberry bush movements and the all of a sudden it is a done >>>deal.Exactly, the hurry up folk are totally missing the point.
What NZ wants is a stable Government, robust negotations will give the >>>country of having this.
As I have said previously the longer it takes the better off the
country is; the criticism is just that CLuxon promised a much quicker >resolution, and the far right is feeling frustrated.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:As usual, CLuxon makes promises he cannot keep, then tries to wriggle
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 23:32:15 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are replying to someobody else - do so directly.,
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Wrong parties - that government was Labour/NZ First - the Green Party
On 2023-11-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
without getting anywhere:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.html
A fact seems to be escaping many people. In any negotations the time it >>>>takes grows faster than the number of parties involved.
In this particular case there are three "separate", not joined at the hip >>>>parties which makes thinking more difficult. And yes one of on the parties >>>>is "difficult". The 2017 case was basically the Labour/Green party and NZF. >>>>Basically two parties. Not three.
were outside the coalition but provided confidence and supply. We may
this time have an NZFIrst / National coalition with ACT providing
support only (perhaps with a Minister outside Cabinet).
History also shows that negotation progress is not linear. There is alot of >>>>around the mullberry bush movements and the all of a sudden it is a done >>>>deal.Exactly, the hurry up folk are totally missing the point.
What NZ wants is a stable Government, robust negotations will give the >>>>country of having this.
ClLuxon made a promise and it was not kept.No he didn't - give a cite if he did. You are changing tack - you complained >that it was taking too long.
As I have said previously the longer it takes the better off the
country is; the criticism is just that CLuxon promised a much quicker >>resolution, and the far right is feeling frustrated.
The far right is not involved in any way - they are one of your fantasies.You are bizarrely deranged.
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:24:26 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo such promise was made. No cite from you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:As usual, C Luxon makes promises he cannot keep, then tries to wriggle
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 23:32:15 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are replying to someobody else - do so directly.,
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Wrong parties - that government was Labour/NZ First - the Green Party >>>were outside the coalition but provided confidence and supply. We may >>>this time have an NZFIrst / National coalition with ACT providing
On 2023-11-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
without getting anywhere:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.html
A fact seems to be escaping many people. In any negotations the time it >>>>>takes grows faster than the number of parties involved.
In this particular case there are three "separate", not joined at the hip >>>>>parties which makes thinking more difficult. And yes one of on the parties >>>>>is "difficult". The 2017 case was basically the Labour/Green party and NZF.
Basically two parties. Not three.
support only (perhaps with a Minister outside Cabinet).
History also shows that negotation progress is not linear. There is alot ofExactly, the hurry up folk are totally missing the point.
around the mullberry bush movements and the all of a sudden it is a done >>>>>deal.
What NZ wants is a stable Government, robust negotations will give the >>>>>country of having this.
out of it - and your lying is just emphasising how disappointed you
are as well.
Nope.C Luxon made a promise and it was not kept.No he didn't - give a cite if he did. You are changing tack - you complained >>that it was taking too long.
As I have said previously the longer it takes the better off the
country is; the criticism is just that C Luxon promised a much quicker >>>resolution, and the far right is feeling frustrated.
Not me.The far right is not involved in any way - they are one of your fantasies. >You are bizarrely deranged.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Basically you are aggressively intolerant of anyone with views that do
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:24:26 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo such promise was made. No cite from you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:As usual, C Luxon makes promises he cannot keep, then tries to wriggle
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 23:32:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are replying to someobody else - do so directly.,
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Wrong parties - that government was Labour/NZ First - the Green Party >>>>were outside the coalition but provided confidence and supply. We may >>>>this time have an NZFIrst / National coalition with ACT providing >>>>support only (perhaps with a Minister outside Cabinet).
On 2023-11-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
without getting anywhere:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.html
A fact seems to be escaping many people. In any negotations the time it >>>>>>takes grows faster than the number of parties involved.
In this particular case there are three "separate", not joined at the hip >>>>>>parties which makes thinking more difficult. And yes one of on the parties
is "difficult". The 2017 case was basically the Labour/Green party and NZF.
Basically two parties. Not three.
History also shows that negotation progress is not linear. There is alot ofExactly, the hurry up folk are totally missing the point.
around the mullberry bush movements and the all of a sudden it is a done >>>>>>deal.
What NZ wants is a stable Government, robust negotations will give the >>>>>>country of having this.
out of it - and your lying is just emphasising how disappointed you
are as well.
Nope.
C Luxon made a promise and it was not kept.No he didn't - give a cite if he did. You are changing tack - you complained >>>that it was taking too long.
As I have said previously the longer it takes the better off the >>>>country is; the criticism is just that C Luxon promised a much quicker >>>>resolution, and the far right is feeling frustrated.
Not me.
The far right is not involved in any way - they are one of your fantasies. >>You are bizarrely deranged.
Note I have altered your abusive changes to Mr Luxon's name.
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:52:36 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo you moron - you are a rude abusive poster and a coward. You would not dare speak in person to anyone the way you communicate here. You complained bitterly when another poster altered the name of someone and yet you do it and have done it several times. You are a hypocritical loser and no consequence human being (almost human anyway).
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Basically you are aggressively intolerant of anyone with views that do
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:24:26 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo such promise was made. No cite from you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:As usual, C Luxon makes promises he cannot keep, then tries to wriggle >>>out of it - and your lying is just emphasising how disappointed you
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 23:32:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are replying to someobody else - do so directly.,
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Wrong parties - that government was Labour/NZ First - the Green Party >>>>>were outside the coalition but provided confidence and supply. We may >>>>>this time have an NZFIrst / National coalition with ACT providing >>>>>support only (perhaps with a Minister outside Cabinet).
On 2023-11-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
without getting anywhere:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.html
A fact seems to be escaping many people. In any negotations the time it >>>>>>>takes grows faster than the number of parties involved.
In this particular case there are three "separate", not joined at the hip
parties which makes thinking more difficult. And yes one of on the >>>>>>>parties
is "difficult". The 2017 case was basically the Labour/Green party and >>>>>>>NZF.
Basically two parties. Not three.
History also shows that negotation progress is not linear. There is alot >>>>>>>ofExactly, the hurry up folk are totally missing the point.
around the mullberry bush movements and the all of a sudden it is a done >>>>>>>deal.
What NZ wants is a stable Government, robust negotations will give the >>>>>>>country of having this.
are as well.
Nope.
C Luxon made a promise and it was not kept.No he didn't - give a cite if he did. You are changing tack - you >>>>complained
As I have said previously the longer it takes the better off the >>>>>country is; the criticism is just that C Luxon promised a much quicker >>>>>resolution, and the far right is feeling frustrated.
that it was taking too long.
Not me.
The far right is not involved in any way - they are one of your fantasies. >>>You are bizarrely deranged.
Note I have altered your abusive changes to Mr Luxon's name.
not agree with your own. I feel sad for you - you are rigidly stuck in
a past that is disappearing.
To give you something else to bitch about see: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christopher-luxons-embarrassing-coalition-negotiations-with-act-nz-first-political-round-up/7A62Y3CRDFHZ7CS4BO5PUPGCEA/Policial hype of no consequence.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this one then, from a long time National operator / supporter . .
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:52:36 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo you moron - you are a rude abusive poster and a coward. You would not dare >speak in person to anyone the way you communicate here. You complained bitterly
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Basically you are aggressively intolerant of anyone with views that do
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:24:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No such promise was made. No cite from you.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:As usual, C Luxon makes promises he cannot keep, then tries to wriggle >>>>out of it - and your lying is just emphasising how disappointed you
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 23:32:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are replying to someobody else - do so directly.,
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Wrong parties - that government was Labour/NZ First - the Green Party >>>>>>were outside the coalition but provided confidence and supply. We may >>>>>>this time have an NZFIrst / National coalition with ACT providing >>>>>>support only (perhaps with a Minister outside Cabinet).
On 2023-11-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
without getting anywhere:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.html
A fact seems to be escaping many people. In any negotations the time it >>>>>>>>takes grows faster than the number of parties involved.
In this particular case there are three "separate", not joined at the hip
parties which makes thinking more difficult. And yes one of on the >>>>>>>>parties
is "difficult". The 2017 case was basically the Labour/Green party and >>>>>>>>NZF.
Basically two parties. Not three.
History also shows that negotation progress is not linear. There is alotExactly, the hurry up folk are totally missing the point.
of
around the mullberry bush movements and the all of a sudden it is a done
deal.
What NZ wants is a stable Government, robust negotations will give the >>>>>>>>country of having this.
are as well.
Nope.
C Luxon made a promise and it was not kept.No he didn't - give a cite if he did. You are changing tack - you >>>>>complained
As I have said previously the longer it takes the better off the >>>>>>country is; the criticism is just that C Luxon promised a much quicker >>>>>>resolution, and the far right is feeling frustrated.
that it was taking too long.
Not me.
The far right is not involved in any way - they are one of your fantasies. >>>>You are bizarrely deranged.
Note I have altered your abusive changes to Mr Luxon's name.
not agree with your own. I feel sad for you - you are rigidly stuck in
a past that is disappearing.
when another poster altered the name of someone and yet you do it and have done
it several times. You are a hypocritical loser and no consequence human being >(almost human anyway).
Policial hype of no consequence.
To give you something else to bitch about see: >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christopher-luxons-embarrassing-coalition-negotiations-with-act-nz-first-political-round-up/7A62Y3CRDFHZ7CS4BO5PUPGCEA/
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 05:46:14 -0000 (UTC), TonyMore political hype and left wing bias. Not interested in that sort of garbage. But you love garbage don't you?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this one then, from a long time National operator / supporter . .
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:52:36 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo you moron - you are a rude abusive poster and a coward. You would not dare >>speak in person to anyone the way you communicate here. You complained >>bitterly
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Basically you are aggressively intolerant of anyone with views that do >>>not agree with your own. I feel sad for you - you are rigidly stuck in
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:24:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No such promise was made. No cite from you.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:As usual, C Luxon makes promises he cannot keep, then tries to wriggle >>>>>out of it - and your lying is just emphasising how disappointed you >>>>>are as well.
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 23:32:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are replying to someobody else - do so directly.,
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Wrong parties - that government was Labour/NZ First - the Green Party >>>>>>>were outside the coalition but provided confidence and supply. We may >>>>>>>this time have an NZFIrst / National coalition with ACT providing >>>>>>>support only (perhaps with a Minister outside Cabinet).
On 2023-11-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
without getting anywhere:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.html
A fact seems to be escaping many people. In any negotations the time it
takes grows faster than the number of parties involved.
In this particular case there are three "separate", not joined at the >>>>>>>>>hip
parties which makes thinking more difficult. And yes one of on the >>>>>>>>>parties
is "difficult". The 2017 case was basically the Labour/Green party and >>>>>>>>>NZF.
Basically two parties. Not three.
History also shows that negotation progress is not linear. There is >>>>>>>>>alotExactly, the hurry up folk are totally missing the point.
of
around the mullberry bush movements and the all of a sudden it is a >>>>>>>>>done
deal.
What NZ wants is a stable Government, robust negotations will give the >>>>>>>>>country of having this.
Nope.
C Luxon made a promise and it was not kept.No he didn't - give a cite if he did. You are changing tack - you >>>>>>complained
As I have said previously the longer it takes the better off the >>>>>>>country is; the criticism is just that C Luxon promised a much quicker >>>>>>>resolution, and the far right is feeling frustrated.
that it was taking too long.
Not me.
The far right is not involved in any way - they are one of your fantasies.You are bizarrely deranged.
Note I have altered your abusive changes to Mr Luxon's name.
a past that is disappearing.
when another poster altered the name of someone and yet you do it and have >>done
it several times. You are a hypocritical loser and no consequence human being >>(almost human anyway).
Policial hype of no consequence.
To give you something else to bitch about see: >>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christopher-luxons-embarrassing-coalition-negotiations-with-act-nz-first-political-round-up/7A62Y3CRDFHZ7CS4BO5PUPGCEA/
. >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/matthew-hooton-whatever-happened-to-those-christopher-luxon-negotiating-skills/BHVSDPU53RBTLD55A7R2PTE4CU/
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 05:46:14 -0000 (UTC), TonyMore political hype and left wing bias. Not interested in that sort of garbage.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this one then, from a long time National operator / supporter . .
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:52:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No you moron - you are a rude abusive poster and a coward. You would not dare
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Basically you are aggressively intolerant of anyone with views that do >>>>not agree with your own. I feel sad for you - you are rigidly stuck in >>>>a past that is disappearing.
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:24:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No such promise was made. No cite from you.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:As usual, C Luxon makes promises he cannot keep, then tries to wriggle >>>>>>out of it - and your lying is just emphasising how disappointed you >>>>>>are as well.
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 23:32:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are replying to someobody else - do so directly.,
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Wrong parties - that government was Labour/NZ First - the Green Party >>>>>>>>were outside the coalition but provided confidence and supply. We may >>>>>>>>this time have an NZFIrst / National coalition with ACT providing >>>>>>>>support only (perhaps with a Minister outside Cabinet).
On 2023-11-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
without getting anywhere:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.html
A fact seems to be escaping many people. In any negotations the time it
takes grows faster than the number of parties involved.
In this particular case there are three "separate", not joined at the >>>>>>>>>>hip
parties which makes thinking more difficult. And yes one of on the >>>>>>>>>>parties
is "difficult". The 2017 case was basically the Labour/Green party and
NZF.
Basically two parties. Not three.
History also shows that negotation progress is not linear. There is >>>>>>>>>>alotExactly, the hurry up folk are totally missing the point.
of
around the mullberry bush movements and the all of a sudden it is a >>>>>>>>>>done
deal.
What NZ wants is a stable Government, robust negotations will give the
country of having this.
Nope.
C Luxon made a promise and it was not kept.No he didn't - give a cite if he did. You are changing tack - you >>>>>>>complained
As I have said previously the longer it takes the better off the >>>>>>>>country is; the criticism is just that C Luxon promised a much quicker >>>>>>>>resolution, and the far right is feeling frustrated.
that it was taking too long.
Not me.
The far right is not involved in any way - they are one of your fantasies.You are bizarrely deranged.
Note I have altered your abusive changes to Mr Luxon's name.
speak in person to anyone the way you communicate here. You complained >>>bitterly
when another poster altered the name of someone and yet you do it and have >>>done
it several times. You are a hypocritical loser and no consequence human being
(almost human anyway).
Policial hype of no consequence.
To give you something else to bitch about see: >>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christopher-luxons-embarrassing-coalition-negotiations-with-act-nz-first-political-round-up/7A62Y3CRDFHZ7CS4BO5PUPGCEA/
. >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/matthew-hooton-whatever-happened-to-those-christopher-luxon-negotiating-skills/BHVSDPU53RBTLD55A7R2PTE4CU/
But you love garbage don't you?
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 01:35:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyMore worthless nonsense. Not read, don't bother to waste your time any more. What I wrote still stands and is valid. Now piss off.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 05:46:14 -0000 (UTC), TonyMore political hype and left wing bias. Not interested in that sort of >>garbage.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this one then, from a long time National operator / supporter . .
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 19:52:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No you moron - you are a rude abusive poster and a coward. You would not >>>>dare
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 02:24:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No such promise was made. No cite from you.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:As usual, C Luxon makes promises he cannot keep, then tries to wriggle >>>>>>>out of it - and your lying is just emphasising how disappointed you >>>>>>>are as well.
On Thu, 16 Nov 2023 23:32:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are replying to someobody else - do so directly.,
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Wrong parties - that government was Labour/NZ First - the Green Party >>>>>>>>>were outside the coalition but provided confidence and supply. We may >>>>>>>>>this time have an NZFIrst / National coalition with ACT providing >>>>>>>>>support only (perhaps with a Minister outside Cabinet).
On 2023-11-16, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
without getting anywhere:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/jenna-lynch-election-2023-analysis-coalition-talks-become-a-circus-as-christopher-luxon-david-seymour-cave-to-winston-peters-whims.html
A fact seems to be escaping many people. In any negotations the time >>>>>>>>>>>it
takes grows faster than the number of parties involved.
In this particular case there are three "separate", not joined at >>>>>>>>>>>the
hip
parties which makes thinking more difficult. And yes one of on the >>>>>>>>>>>parties
is "difficult". The 2017 case was basically the Labour/Green party >>>>>>>>>>>and
NZF.
Basically two parties. Not three.
History also shows that negotation progress is not linear. There is >>>>>>>>>>>alotExactly, the hurry up folk are totally missing the point.
of
around the mullberry bush movements and the all of a sudden it is a >>>>>>>>>>>done
deal.
What NZ wants is a stable Government, robust negotations will give >>>>>>>>>>>the
country of having this.
Nope.
C Luxon made a promise and it was not kept.No he didn't - give a cite if he did. You are changing tack - you >>>>>>>>complained
As I have said previously the longer it takes the better off the >>>>>>>>>country is; the criticism is just that C Luxon promised a much quicker >>>>>>>>>resolution, and the far right is feeling frustrated.
that it was taking too long.
Not me.
The far right is not involved in any way - they are one of your >>>>>>>>fantasies.You are bizarrely deranged.
Note I have altered your abusive changes to Mr Luxon's name. >>>>>Basically you are aggressively intolerant of anyone with views that do >>>>>not agree with your own. I feel sad for you - you are rigidly stuck in >>>>>a past that is disappearing.
speak in person to anyone the way you communicate here. You complained >>>>bitterly
when another poster altered the name of someone and yet you do it and have >>>>done
it several times. You are a hypocritical loser and no consequence human >>>>being
(almost human anyway).
Policial hype of no consequence.
To give you something else to bitch about see: >>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christopher-luxons-embarrassing-coalition-negotiations-with-act-nz-first-political-round-up/7A62Y3CRDFHZ7CS4BO5PUPGCEA/
. >>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/matthew-hooton-whatever-happened-to-those-christopher-luxon-negotiating-skills/BHVSDPU53RBTLD55A7R2PTE4CU/
But you love garbage don't you?
Really, Tony? I see no evidence of any left wing bias. Matthew Hooten
is a well known right wing commentator and political adviser - a
recent adviser to Wayne Brown, but before that adviser to new National
MPs. and to those seeking selection as a National Candidate. in recent
years he has become a regular commentator from the right - similar in
some ways to David Farrar and Jordan Williams and the rightly lesser
known authors at the bfd, Like many involved with the National Party,
Hooten appears to be concerned about getting the right person in to
replace Luxon, and that appears to be the battle he is fighting now.
The battle to get the Right into parliament under whatever label has >happened; not as conclusive as many Nat activists would like, so they
need to prepare for internal change to avoid a defeat in 2026, and
currently that looks like they will need a new leader in 12 to 18
months. This is not the left eating the right; it is the Right eating
their own.
- see:
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/author/matthew-hooton >https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/27-12-2019/summer-reissue-im-completely-squeaky-clean-an-interview-with-matthew-hooton
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/michele-hewitson-interview-matthew-hooton/ZTRD6I64SZFIJULMAERWORMTHQ/
https://wealthypeeps.com/matthew-hooton-wikipedia-age-wife-and-family/ >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/422543/political-lobbyist-matthew-hooton-resigns-as-national-party-staffer
https://www.metromag.co.nz/authors/matthew-hooton >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/matthew-hooton-whatever-happened-to-those-christopher-luxon-negotiating-skills/BHVSDPU53RBTLD55A7R2PTE4CU/
https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/17xqv0v/election_2023_humiliating_five_weeks_for/
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