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    From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Mon Nov 13 04:01:10 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >https://democracyproject.nz/2023/10/17/chris-trotter-losing-the-working-class/

    Well word a read. How we could have done alot better.


    "Neither Ardern, nor her successor, Chris Hipkins, had the intellectual or >ideological sophistication to argue either For or Against the revolutionary >ideas contained in the He Puapua Report. Nor did they possess the courage
    to follow Helen Clark’s example of political intransigence."

    The last election was onewhich seemed to have not emphasis, no major points, >a great deal of who said, they said; and yet the situation changed.

    Democracy showed what it could do.
    Yes we threw the unintelligent and divisive bastards out.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 13 03:43:57 2023
    https://democracyproject.nz/2023/10/17/chris-trotter-losing-the-working-class/

    Well word a read. How we could have done alot better.


    "Neither Ardern, nor her successor, Chris Hipkins, had the intellectual or ideological sophistication to argue either For or Against the revolutionary ideas contained in the He Puapua Report. Nor did they possess the courage
    to follow Helen Clark’s example of political intransigence."

    The last election was onewhich seemed to have not emphasis, no major points,
    a great deal of who said, they said; and yet the situation changed.

    Democracy showed what it could do.

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  • From greybeard@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Nov 14 11:43:20 2023
    On 13/11/23 16:43, Gordon wrote:
    https://democracyproject.nz/2023/10/17/chris-trotter-losing-the-working-class/

    Well word a read. How we could have done alot better.


    "Neither Ardern, nor her successor, Chris Hipkins, had the intellectual or ideological sophistication to argue either For or Against the revolutionary ideas contained in the He Puapua Report. Nor did they possess the courage
    to follow Helen Clark’s example of political intransigence."

    The last election was onewhich seemed to have not emphasis, no major points, a great deal of who said, they said; and yet the situation changed.

    Democracy showed what it could do.


    I thought anything of value would come out of the
    Democracy Project, but here it is!

    Rogernomics certainly killed any thought of me ever voting
    for Labour. Totally and unnecessarily, wrecked NZ
    economically and socially. Aussie didn't go down the
    Reagan/Thatcher 'TINA' path and that certainly paid dividends
    for them.

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to Tony on Mon Nov 13 14:30:27 2023
    On Monday, 13 November 2023 at 17:01:13 UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >https://democracyproject.nz/2023/10/17/chris-trotter-losing-the-working-class/

    Well word a read. How we could have done alot better.


    "Neither Ardern, nor her successor, Chris Hipkins, had the intellectual or >ideological sophistication to argue either For or Against the revolutionary >ideas contained in the He Puapua Report. Nor did they possess the courage >to follow Helen Clark’s example of political intransigence."

    The last election was onewhich seemed to have not emphasis, no major points,
    a great deal of who said, they said; and yet the situation changed.

    Democracy showed what it could do.
    Yes we threw the unintelligent and divisive bastards out.

    Chris Trotter is to the left what Karl du Fresne is to the right. A voice of some reason.

    https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/125202/new-zealanders%E2%80%99-adherence-values-and-processes-democracy-being-put-test-writes

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Tony on Mon Nov 13 23:31:08 2023
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, 13 November 2023 at 17:01:13 UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://democracyproject.nz/2023/10/17/chris-trotter-losing-the-working-class/

    Well word a read. How we could have done alot better.


    "Neither Ardern, nor her successor, Chris Hipkins, had the intellectual or >> >ideological sophistication to argue either For or Against the revolutionary >> >ideas contained in the He Puapua Report. Nor did they possess the courage >> >to follow Helen Clark’s example of political intransigence."

    The last election was onewhich seemed to have not emphasis, no major
    points,
    a great deal of who said, they said; and yet the situation changed.

    Democracy showed what it could do.
    Yes we threw the unintelligent and divisive bastards out.

    Chris Trotter is to the left what Karl du Fresne is to the right. A voice of >some reason.

    https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/125202/new-zealanders%E2%80%99-adherence-values-and-processes-democracy-being-put-test-writes
    Good article. Thanks.

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