While holding Seymour and Peters to not making comments beforeYou poor pathetic child.
negotiations have been completed, he has just shown his arrogance by >announcing that National will be delivering the tax cuts for the
wealthy that they promised. Look for the ''negotiations'' getting
longer as the other two parties get pissed off and fight harder for
their pet projects, or the ability to vote against National more
often.
Seymour has been in parliament long enough to have some idea of how
politics and trust works - Peters is more aware than both Seymour and
Luxon together.
Will Hipkins still be stand-in PM at Christmas?
While holding Seymour and Peters to not making comments before
negotiations have been completed, he has just shown his arrogance by announcing that National will be delivering the tax cuts for the
wealthy that they promised.
Look for the ''negotiations'' getting
longer as the other two parties get pissed off and fight harder for
their pet projects, or the ability to vote against National more
often.
Seymour has been in parliament long enough to have some idea of how
politics and trust works - Peters is more aware than both Seymour and
Luxon together.
Will Hipkins still be stand-in PM at Christmas?
On 2023-11-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I agree, our next government is likely to be a three-way coalition of
While holding Seymour and Peters to not making comments before
negotiations have been completed, he has just shown his arrogance by
announcing that National will be delivering the tax cuts for the
wealthy that they promised.
Unlike Labour, they are seting out to do what they promised, and have been >given a mandate by the people.
He is also signalling to the country thatBy announcing firm policy when he had said that no statements would be
this is going to happen, thus creating some stability which is good for the >country.
I agree. They are not helped by one party not following agreementsLook for the ''negotiations'' getting
longer as the other two parties get pissed off and fight harder for
their pet projects, or the ability to vote against National more
often.
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we have >it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds.
Rich, at the end of the day, all three parties need they other two.I did not express an opinion either way, but some may say that the
Seymour has been in parliament long enough to have some idea of how
politics and trust works - Peters is more aware than both Seymour and
Luxon together.
Will Hipkins still be stand-in PM at Christmas?
Will it matter if he is?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Nov 2023 01:46:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You have no idea what they all agreed to, your guesses are thinly veiled >political games.
On 2023-11-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I agree, our next government is likely to be a three-way coalition of
While holding Seymour and Peters to not making comments before
negotiations have been completed, he has just shown his arrogance by
announcing that National will be delivering the tax cuts for the
wealthy that they promised.
Unlike Labour, they are seting out to do what they promised, and have been >>>given a mandate by the people.
ACT, National and NZ First. The four way coalition of Labour / Green /
Te Pati Maori / NZ First is technically a possibility but much less
likely. So who had been given that mandate, Gordon?
He is also signalling to the country thatBy announcing firm policy when he had said that no statements would be
this is going to happen, thus creating some stability which is good for the >>>country.
made until they had signed agreements? The announcement may have
made agreements less likely
I agree. They are not helped by one party not following agreements
Look for the ''negotiations'' getting
longer as the other two parties get pissed off and fight harder for
their pet projects, or the ability to vote against National more
often.
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we have >>>it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds.
about speaking to media that had been agreed between the parties
though.
Indeed there are a few idiots in New Zealand apart from you.
I did not express an opinion either way, but some may say that the
Rich, at the end of the day, all three parties need they other two.
Seymour has been in parliament long enough to have some idea of how
politics and trust works - Peters is more aware than both Seymour and
Luxon together.
Will Hipkins still be stand-in PM at Christmas?
Will it matter if he is?
longer the negotiations take the better off the country is
. . . - is
that what you were implying?
On 13 Nov 2023 01:46:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You have no idea what they all agreed to, your guesses are thinly veiled political games.
On 2023-11-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I agree, our next government is likely to be a three-way coalition of
While holding Seymour and Peters to not making comments before
negotiations have been completed, he has just shown his arrogance by
announcing that National will be delivering the tax cuts for the
wealthy that they promised.
Unlike Labour, they are seting out to do what they promised, and have been >>given a mandate by the people.
ACT, National and NZ First. The four way coalition of Labour / Green /
Te Pati Maori / NZ First is technically a possibility but much less
likely. So who had been given that mandate, Gordon?
He is also signalling to the country thatBy announcing firm policy when he had said that no statements would be
this is going to happen, thus creating some stability which is good for the >>country.
made until they had signed agreements? The announcement may have
made agreements less likely
I agree. They are not helped by one party not following agreements
Look for the ''negotiations'' getting
longer as the other two parties get pissed off and fight harder for
their pet projects, or the ability to vote against National more
often.
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we have >>it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds.
about speaking to media that had been agreed between the parties
though.
Indeed there are a few idiots in New Zealand apart from you.I did not express an opinion either way, but some may say that the
Rich, at the end of the day, all three parties need they other two.
Seymour has been in parliament long enough to have some idea of how
politics and trust works - Peters is more aware than both Seymour and
Luxon together.
Will Hipkins still be stand-in PM at Christmas?
Will it matter if he is?
longer the negotiations take the better off the country is
. . . - is
that what you were implying?
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 03:32:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo I am 100% correct using any interpretation. What I wrote was that you don't know anything. Period. I was correct. everything else you wrote is politiucal spin by someone who obviously hates New Zealanders.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Nov 2023 01:46:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You have no idea what they all agreed to, your guesses are thinly veiled >>political games.
On 2023-11-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I agree, our next government is likely to be a three-way coalition of >>>ACT, National and NZ First. The four way coalition of Labour / Green /
While holding Seymour and Peters to not making comments before
negotiations have been completed, he has just shown his arrogance by >>>>> announcing that National will be delivering the tax cuts for the
wealthy that they promised.
Unlike Labour, they are seting out to do what they promised, and have been >>>>given a mandate by the people.
Te Pati Maori / NZ First is technically a possibility but much less >>>likely. So who had been given that mandate, Gordon?
He is also signalling to the country thatBy announcing firm policy when he had said that no statements would be >>>made until they had signed agreements? The announcement may have
this is going to happen, thus creating some stability which is good for the >>>>country.
made agreements less likely
I agree. They are not helped by one party not following agreements
Look for the ''negotiations'' getting
longer as the other two parties get pissed off and fight harder for
their pet projects, or the ability to vote against National more
often.
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we have >>>>it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds.
about speaking to media that had been agreed between the parties
though.
You are of course technically correct
- we only have Luxons word that>they would not be announcing policies untilThank goodness we don't need to believe you.
agreements were reached -
Indeed there are a few idiots in New Zealand apart from you.
I did not express an opinion either way, but some may say that the
Rich, at the end of the day, all three parties need they other two.
Seymour has been in parliament long enough to have some idea of how
politics and trust works - Peters is more aware than both Seymour and >>>>> Luxon together.
Will Hipkins still be stand-in PM at Christmas?
Will it matter if he is?
longer the negotiations take the better off the country is
. . . - is
that what you were implying?
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we have >it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds.
On 13 Nov 2023 01:46:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we have >>it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds.
FPP is not the greatest electoral system, but it is far better than
MMP which is a disaster. Arguably the worst thing that has ever
happened to this country politically is the introduction of MMP.
Bill.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 03:32:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo I am 100% correct using any interpretation. What I wrote was that you don't >know anything. Period. I was correct. everything else you wrote is politiucal >spin by someone who obviously hates New Zealanders.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Nov 2023 01:46:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You have no idea what they all agreed to, your guesses are thinly veiled >>>political games.
On 2023-11-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I agree, our next government is likely to be a three-way coalition of >>>>ACT, National and NZ First. The four way coalition of Labour / Green / >>>>Te Pati Maori / NZ First is technically a possibility but much less >>>>likely. So who had been given that mandate, Gordon?
While holding Seymour and Peters to not making comments before
negotiations have been completed, he has just shown his arrogance by >>>>>> announcing that National will be delivering the tax cuts for the
wealthy that they promised.
Unlike Labour, they are seting out to do what they promised, and have been >>>>>given a mandate by the people.
He is also signalling to the country thatBy announcing firm policy when he had said that no statements would be >>>>made until they had signed agreements? The announcement may have
this is going to happen, thus creating some stability which is good for the
country.
made agreements less likely
I agree. They are not helped by one party not following agreements >>>>about speaking to media that had been agreed between the parties >>>>though.
Look for the ''negotiations'' getting
longer as the other two parties get pissed off and fight harder for >>>>>> their pet projects, or the ability to vote against National more
often.
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we have >>>>>it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds.
You are of course technically correct
- we only have Luxons word that>they would not be announcing policies until >>agreements were reached -Thank goodness we don't need to believe you.
Abuse removed.
Indeed there are a few idiots in New Zealand apart from you.
I did not express an opinion either way, but some may say that the >>>>longer the negotiations take the better off the country is
Rich, at the end of the day, all three parties need they other two.
Seymour has been in parliament long enough to have some idea of how >>>>>> politics and trust works - Peters is more aware than both Seymour and >>>>>> Luxon together.
Will Hipkins still be stand-in PM at Christmas?
Will it matter if he is?
. . . - is
that what you were implying?
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 03:59:59 -0000 (UTC), TonyTalking to yourself now? At least you can guarantee partial agreement.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 03:32:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo I am 100% correct using any interpretation. What I wrote was that you >>don't
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Nov 2023 01:46:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You have no idea what they all agreed to, your guesses are thinly veiled >>>>political games.
On 2023-11-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I agree, our next government is likely to be a three-way coalition of >>>>>ACT, National and NZ First. The four way coalition of Labour / Green / >>>>>Te Pati Maori / NZ First is technically a possibility but much less >>>>>likely. So who had been given that mandate, Gordon?
While holding Seymour and Peters to not making comments before
negotiations have been completed, he has just shown his arrogance by >>>>>>> announcing that National will be delivering the tax cuts for the >>>>>>> wealthy that they promised.
Unlike Labour, they are seting out to do what they promised, and have been
given a mandate by the people.
He is also signalling to the country thatBy announcing firm policy when he had said that no statements would be >>>>>made until they had signed agreements? The announcement may have >>>>>made agreements less likely
this is going to happen, thus creating some stability which is good for >>>>>>the
country.
Look for the ''negotiations'' getting
longer as the other two parties get pissed off and fight harder for >>>>>>> their pet projects, or the ability to vote against National more >>>>>>> often.
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we have
it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds. >>>>>I agree. They are not helped by one party not following agreements >>>>>about speaking to media that had been agreed between the parties >>>>>though.
You are of course technically correct
know anything. Period. I was correct. everything else you wrote is politiucal >>spin by someone who obviously hates New Zealanders.
- we only have Luxons word that>they would not be announcing policies until >>>agreements were reached -Thank goodness we don't need to believe you.
Abuse removed.
Indeed there are a few idiots in New Zealand apart from you.
I did not express an opinion either way, but some may say that the >>>>>longer the negotiations take the better off the country is
Rich, at the end of the day, all three parties need they other two. >>>>>>>
Seymour has been in parliament long enough to have some idea of how >>>>>>> politics and trust works - Peters is more aware than both Seymour and >>>>>>> Luxon together.
Will Hipkins still be stand-in PM at Christmas?
Will it matter if he is?
. . . - is
that what you were implying?
Some are now getting restless: >https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-coalition-talks-are-hurting-luxons-reputation/
“2002 under Helen Clark took 12 days, 2005 took 30 days, 2008 under
John Key took 8 days, 2011 took 9 days, 2014 took 15 days, and then
2017 with Jacinda and Winston took 26 days.
As of today, these talks are at 30 days. They are tied for the second
longest spot with 2005. From tomorrow, they become the second longest
only to the infamous 1996 fishing trip talks.”
Apparently some are sticking to instructions however: >https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/nicola-willis-finance-minister-elect-says-her-party-is-progressing-with-negotiations-with-act-and-nz-first/
The reality is at the first test of ""getting it done"", National have
failed . . .
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 17:50:03 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:You have not provided any evidence of that therefore that is a lie.
On 13 Nov 2023 01:46:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we have >>>it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds.
FPP is not the greatest electoral system, but it is far better than
MMP which is a disaster. Arguably the worst thing that has ever
happened to this country politically is the introduction of MMP.
Bill.
FPP delivered systemic distortion was accompanied by a large number of >"country" electorates that usually elected conservative MPs - while
Labour support was more heavily held in a smaller number of city
electorates. FPP also delivered an election where Social Credit
candidates received around 20% of the votes cast, but got no Members
of Parliament. Think what you will of Social Credit, but that result
is probably what turned enough away from the distortions of FPP to get
the more democratic system we have today.
All of which is a bit away from Luxon acting in bad faith in ''going
public'' with some negotiation points having insisted himself that
none of the three should discuss those issues with journalists.
It is sad that we are likely to have a coalition government where the
two smaller parties cannot trust the leader of the National Party.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You have not provided any evidence of that therefore that is a lie.
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 17:50:03 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:You have not provided any evidence of that therefore that is a lie.
On 13 Nov 2023 01:46:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we have >>>>it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds.
FPP is not the greatest electoral system, but it is far better than
MMP which is a disaster. Arguably the worst thing that has ever
happened to this country politically is the introduction of MMP.
Bill.
FPP delivered systemic distortion was accompanied by a large number of >>"country" electorates that usually elected conservative MPs - while
Labour support was more heavily held in a smaller number of city >>electorates. FPP also delivered an election where Social Credit >>candidates received around 20% of the votes cast, but got no Members
of Parliament. Think what you will of Social Credit, but that result
is probably what turned enough away from the distortions of FPP to get
the more democratic system we have today.
All of which is a bit away from Luxon acting in bad faith in ''going >>public'' with some negotiation points having insisted himself that
none of the three should discuss those issues with journalists.
It is sad that we are likely to have a coalition government where the
two smaller parties cannot trust the leader of the National Party.
Not proven - just a lie.
What is really sad is that the last government did their utmost to destroy most
of the democratic institutions this country has enjoyed for decades.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 03:59:59 -0000 (UTC), TonyTalking to yourself now? At least you can guarantee partial agreement.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 03:32:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No I am 100% correct using any interpretation. What I wrote was that you >>>don't
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Nov 2023 01:46:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You have no idea what they all agreed to, your guesses are thinly veiled >>>>>political games.
On 2023-11-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I agree, our next government is likely to be a three-way coalition of >>>>>>ACT, National and NZ First. The four way coalition of Labour / Green / >>>>>>Te Pati Maori / NZ First is technically a possibility but much less >>>>>>likely. So who had been given that mandate, Gordon?
While holding Seymour and Peters to not making comments before >>>>>>>> negotiations have been completed, he has just shown his arrogance by >>>>>>>> announcing that National will be delivering the tax cuts for the >>>>>>>> wealthy that they promised.
Unlike Labour, they are seting out to do what they promised, and have been
given a mandate by the people.
He is also signalling to the country thatBy announcing firm policy when he had said that no statements would be >>>>>>made until they had signed agreements? The announcement may have >>>>>>made agreements less likely
this is going to happen, thus creating some stability which is good for >>>>>>>the
country.
Look for the ''negotiations'' getting
longer as the other two parties get pissed off and fight harder for >>>>>>>> their pet projects, or the ability to vote against National more >>>>>>>> often.
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we have
it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds. >>>>>>I agree. They are not helped by one party not following agreements >>>>>>about speaking to media that had been agreed between the parties >>>>>>though.
You are of course technically correct
know anything. Period. I was correct. everything else you wrote is politiucal
spin by someone who obviously hates New Zealanders.
- we only have Luxons word that>they would not be announcing policies untilThank goodness we don't need to believe you.
agreements were reached -
Abuse removed.
Indeed there are a few idiots in New Zealand apart from you.
I did not express an opinion either way, but some may say that the >>>>>>longer the negotiations take the better off the country is
Rich, at the end of the day, all three parties need they other two. >>>>>>>>
Seymour has been in parliament long enough to have some idea of how >>>>>>>> politics and trust works - Peters is more aware than both Seymour and >>>>>>>> Luxon together.
Will Hipkins still be stand-in PM at Christmas?
Will it matter if he is?
. . . - is
that what you were implying?
Some are now getting restless: >>https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-coalition-talks-are-hurting-luxons-reputation/
“2002 under Helen Clark took 12 days, 2005 took 30 days, 2008 under
John Key took 8 days, 2011 took 9 days, 2014 took 15 days, and then
2017 with Jacinda and Winston took 26 days.
As of today, these talks are at 30 days. They are tied for the second >>longest spot with 2005. From tomorrow, they become the second longest
only to the infamous 1996 fishing trip talks.”
Apparently some are sticking to instructions however: >>https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/nicola-willis-finance-minister-elect-says-her-party-is-progressing-with-negotiations-with-act-and-nz-first/
The reality is at the first test of ""getting it done"", National have >>failed . . .
However - for people like you that refuse to see the whole picture I guess that
you think this is a failure - it is not, it is in fact proof of someone doing >all possible to set up a real government.
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 08:18:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyNonsense. Terrible logic.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You have not provided any evidence of that therefore that is a lie.
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 17:50:03 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:You have not provided any evidence of that therefore that is a lie.
On 13 Nov 2023 01:46:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we have >>>>>it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds.
FPP is not the greatest electoral system, but it is far better than
MMP which is a disaster. Arguably the worst thing that has ever >>>>happened to this country politically is the introduction of MMP.
Bill.
FPP delivered systemic distortion was accompanied by a large number of >>>"country" electorates that usually elected conservative MPs - while >>>Labour support was more heavily held in a smaller number of city >>>electorates. FPP also delivered an election where Social Credit >>>candidates received around 20% of the votes cast, but got no Members
of Parliament. Think what you will of Social Credit, but that result
is probably what turned enough away from the distortions of FPP to get >>>the more democratic system we have today.
All of which is a bit away from Luxon acting in bad faith in ''going >>>public'' with some negotiation points having insisted himself that
none of the three should discuss those issues with journalists.
It is sad that we are likely to have a coalition government where the
two smaller parties cannot trust the leader of the National Party.
Not proven - just a lie.
What is really sad is that the last government did their utmost to destroy >>most
of the democratic institutions this country has enjoyed for decades.
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 08:26:00 -0000 (UTC), TonyOnly on your tiny mind. A reasonable person would give a new government a chance, that is most of the population but excludes you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 03:59:59 -0000 (UTC), TonyTalking to yourself now? At least you can guarantee partial agreement.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 03:32:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No I am 100% correct using any interpretation. What I wrote was that you >>>>don't
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Nov 2023 01:46:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You have no idea what they all agreed to, your guesses are thinly veiled >>>>>>political games.
On 2023-11-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I agree, our next government is likely to be a three-way coalition of >>>>>>>ACT, National and NZ First. The four way coalition of Labour / Green / >>>>>>>Te Pati Maori / NZ First is technically a possibility but much less >>>>>>>likely. So who had been given that mandate, Gordon?
While holding Seymour and Peters to not making comments before >>>>>>>>> negotiations have been completed, he has just shown his arrogance by >>>>>>>>> announcing that National will be delivering the tax cuts for the >>>>>>>>> wealthy that they promised.
Unlike Labour, they are seting out to do what they promised, and have >>>>>>>>been
given a mandate by the people.
He is also signalling to the country thatBy announcing firm policy when he had said that no statements would be >>>>>>>made until they had signed agreements? The announcement may have >>>>>>>made agreements less likely
this is going to happen, thus creating some stability which is good for >>>>>>>>the
country.
Look for the ''negotiations'' getting
longer as the other two parties get pissed off and fight harder for >>>>>>>>> their pet projects, or the ability to vote against National more >>>>>>>>> often.
Negotations are sometimes slow and difficult. NZ voted for MMP now we >>>>>>>>have
it. Might not be perfect but better than FFP in many peoples minds. >>>>>>>I agree. They are not helped by one party not following agreements >>>>>>>about speaking to media that had been agreed between the parties >>>>>>>though.
You are of course technically correct
know anything. Period. I was correct. everything else you wrote is >>>>politiucal
spin by someone who obviously hates New Zealanders.
- we only have Luxons word that>they would not be announcing policies >>>>>untilThank goodness we don't need to believe you.
agreements were reached -
Abuse removed.
Indeed there are a few idiots in New Zealand apart from you.
I did not express an opinion either way, but some may say that the >>>>>>>longer the negotiations take the better off the country is
Rich, at the end of the day, all three parties need they other two. >>>>>>>>>
Seymour has been in parliament long enough to have some idea of how >>>>>>>>> politics and trust works - Peters is more aware than both Seymour and >>>>>>>>> Luxon together.
Will Hipkins still be stand-in PM at Christmas?
Will it matter if he is?
. . . - is
that what you were implying?
Some are now getting restless: >>>https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/opinion/heather-du-plessis-allan-coalition-talks-are-hurting-luxons-reputation/
“2002 under Helen Clark took 12 days, 2005 took 30 days, 2008 under
John Key took 8 days, 2011 took 9 days, 2014 took 15 days, and then
2017 with Jacinda and Winston took 26 days.
As of today, these talks are at 30 days. They are tied for the second >>>longest spot with 2005. From tomorrow, they become the second longest >>>only to the infamous 1996 fishing trip talks.”
Apparently some are sticking to instructions however: >>>https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/nicola-willis-finance-minister-elect-says-her-party-is-progressing-with-negotiations-with-act-and-nz-first/
The reality is at the first test of ""getting it done"", National have >>>failed . . .
However - for people like you that refuse to see the whole picture I guess >>that
you think this is a failure - it is not, it is in fact proof of someone doing >>all possible to set up a real government.
"All possible" is of course limited by experience and competence -
apparently in this case very limited . . .
https://twitter.com/i/status/1721238198322598158I don't read twitter.
Luxon "going public" on retaining National's unaffordable tax cuts forYou have failed to provide evidence about that.
the wealthy may not have been the best way to get a resolution . . .
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