Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/election-2023-what-stands-in-the-way-of-the-act-party-s-plan-for-a-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum.html
A good article, with contributions from some that may not have wanted
to talk before the election was out of the way.
Chris Finlayson clearly believes he can now speak again:
"Christopher Finlayson, who was Minister for Treaty of Waitangi >Negotiations under the last National-led Government, says whilst he >doesn't think there is any problem with ACT raising questions on what
the Treaty principles are, he doesn't agree with a referendum on the >matter.
"There is a danger that the crazies could crawl out of the woodwork
and use inflammatory language that is not the New Zealand way of doing >things and I don't want to see us becoming utterly polarised like
places like the United States," Finlayson says.
A referendum would only provide a platform for extremists.
"Some of those people who have been going around the country moaning
about co-governance: One, they don't know what they are talking about;
and two, they are people that I've always described as the sour right.
"They don't like change, they dream of a world that never was andHe is so wrong - they are people who care about democracy - perhaps Mr Finlayson needs the same treatment that you clearly need.
never could be, they ignore the facts unless it suits them, they are >utterly miserable." "
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By capturing the crazies, National and ACT may have picked up a fewNonsense - the crazies voted for Labour and the Greens.
votes, but there is a cost . . .
Your biased and silly posts remain idiotic.
A good article, with contributions from some that may not have wantedHe is so wrong - they are people who care about democracy - perhaps Mr Finlayson needs the same treatment that you clearly need.
to talk before the election was out of the way.
Chris Finlayson clearly believes he can now speak again:
"Christopher Finlayson, who was Minister for Treaty of Waitangi
Negotiations under the last National-led Government, says whilst he
doesn't think there is any problem with ACT raising questions on what
the Treaty principles are, he doesn't agree with a referendum on the
matter.
"There is a danger that the crazies could crawl out of the woodwork
and use inflammatory language that is not the New Zealand way of doing
things and I don't want to see us becoming utterly polarised like
places like the United States," Finlayson says.
A referendum would only provide a platform for extremists.
"Some of those people who have been going around the country moaning
about co-governance: One, they don't know what they are talking about;
and two, they are people that I've always described as the sour right.
"They don't like change, they dream of a world that never was and
never could be, they ignore the facts unless it suits them, they are
utterly miserable." "
_____________
By capturing the crazies, National and ACT may have picked up a fewNonsense - the crazies voted for Labour and the Greens.
votes, but there is a cost . . .
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/election-2023-what-stands-in-the-way-of-the-act-party-s-plan-for-a-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum.html
A good article, with contributions from some that may not have wanted
to talk before the election was out of the way.
Chris Finlayson clearly believes he can now speak again:
"Christopher Finlayson, who was Minister for Treaty of Waitangi
Negotiations under the last National-led Government, says whilst he
doesn't think there is any problem with ACT raising questions on what
the Treaty principles are, he doesn't agree with a referendum on the
matter.
"There is a danger that the crazies could crawl out of the woodwork
and use inflammatory language that is not the New Zealand way of doing
things and I don't want to see us becoming utterly polarised like
places like the United States," Finlayson says.
A referendum would only provide a platform for extremists.
"Some of those people who have been going around the country moaning
about co-governance: One, they don't know what they are talking about;
and two, they are people that I've always described as the sour right.
"They don't like change, they dream of a world that never was and
never could be, they ignore the facts unless it suits them, they are
utterly miserable." "
_____________
By capturing the crazies, National and ACT may have picked up a few
votes, but there is a cost . . .
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/election-2023-what-stands-in-the-way-of-the-act-party-s-plan-for-a-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum.html
A good article, with contributions from some that may not have wanted
to talk before the election was out of the way.
Chris Finlayson clearly believes he can now speak again:
"Christopher Finlayson, who was Minister for Treaty of Waitangi
Negotiations under the last National-led Government, says whilst he
doesn't think there is any problem with ACT raising questions on what
the Treaty principles are, he doesn't agree with a referendum on the
matter.
"There is a danger that the crazies could crawl out of the woodwork
and use inflammatory language that is not the New Zealand way of doing
things and I don't want to see us becoming utterly polarised like
places like the United States," Finlayson says.
A referendum would only provide a platform for extremists.
"Some of those people who have been going around the country moaning
about co-governance: One, they don't know what they are talking about;
and two, they are people that I've always described as the sour right.
"They don't like change, they dream of a world that never was and
never could be, they ignore the facts unless it suits them, they are
utterly miserable." "
_____________
By capturing the crazies, National and ACT may have picked up a few
votes, but there is a cost . . .
On Thu, 02 Nov 2023 12:21:08 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/election-2023-what-stands-in-the-way-of-the-act-party-s-plan-for-a-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum.html
A good article, with contributions from some that may not have wanted
to talk before the election was out of the way.
Chris Finlayson clearly believes he can now speak again:
"Christopher Finlayson, who was Minister for Treaty of Waitangi >>Negotiations under the last National-led Government, says whilst he
doesn't think there is any problem with ACT raising questions on what
the Treaty principles are, he doesn't agree with a referendum on the >>matter.
"There is a danger that the crazies could crawl out of the woodwork
and use inflammatory language that is not the New Zealand way of doing >>things and I don't want to see us becoming utterly polarised like
places like the United States," Finlayson says.
A referendum would only provide a platform for extremists.
"Some of those people who have been going around the country moaning
about co-governance: One, they don't know what they are talking about;
and two, they are people that I've always described as the sour right.
"They don't like change, they dream of a world that never was and
never could be, they ignore the facts unless it suits them, they are >>utterly miserable." "
_____________
By capturing the crazies, National and ACT may have picked up a few
votes, but there is a cost . . .
It is premature to have this discussion. This is an ACT party policy
and the precise nature of the new government is not yet established.
If the new government is formed that includes a commitment to
implement this policy then the debate should focus in the
implementation - which may be different to that policy.
On 2023-11-01, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/11/election-2023-what-stands-in-the-way-of-the-act-party-s-plan-for-a-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum.html
A good article, with contributions from some that may not have wanted
to talk before the election was out of the way.
Chris Finlayson clearly believes he can now speak again:
"Christopher Finlayson, who was Minister for Treaty of Waitangi
Negotiations under the last National-led Government, says whilst he
doesn't think there is any problem with ACT raising questions on what
the Treaty principles are, he doesn't agree with a referendum on the
matter.
"There is a danger that the crazies could crawl out of the woodwork
and use inflammatory language that is not the New Zealand way of doing
things and I don't want to see us becoming utterly polarised like
places like the United States," Finlayson says.
Did a Minster really say that? Such a dsimissive tone of ideal that one vote >is equal to any others.
Really mind boggling and this kind of talk will not in anyway help everyone >to debate the matter and come to an agreement.
(Yes, becoming utterly polarised is not a good thing. So one needs to >acknowledge the the other opinions with respect) We need to talk, to get >through this. It is probably going to be very long and difficult.
We may well see a bit of that:
A referendum would only provide a platform for extremists.
"Some of those people who have been going around the country moaning
about co-governance: One, they don't know what they are talking about;
and two, they are people that I've always described as the sour right.
"They don't like change, they dream of a world that never was and
never could be, they ignore the facts unless it suits them, they are
utterly miserable." "
Yet again this is in fact the other way around. The opposition is about >Labour policies/ideals.
As workmate commentated during a restructure, People do not mind change, as >long as they create the change.
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And you are entitled to your unsupported opinion . . .
By capturing the crazies, National and ACT may have picked up a few
votes, but there is a cost . . .
If the term crazies need to be used, then it is is the Labour folks, for one >thing for sure the hat sure fits.
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