https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-electionsThat is not the current basis for who is eligible to vote
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and >one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.And that is not the current basis either
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and >one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.Excellent news. A little surprising perhaps but good to read.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What commitments exist in the Treaty that affect voting?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-electionsThat is not the current basis for who is eligible to vote
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and >>one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.And that is not the current basis either
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >>hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
Are you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of >Waitangi commitments?
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-elections
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person andThat is not the current basis for who is eligible to vote
one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.And that is not the current basis either
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.Are you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of Waitangi commitments?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What commitments exist in the Treaty that affect voting?
That is not the current basis for who is eligible to votehttps://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-elections
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and >>>one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.And that is not the current basis either
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >>>hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
Are you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of >>Waitangi commitments?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-elections
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and >one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 06:03:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What commitments exist in the Treaty that affect voting?
That is not the current basis for who is eligible to votehttps://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-elections
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and
one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.And that is not the current basis either
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >>>>hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
Are you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of >>>Waitangi commitments?
After 183 years - just the new ones that have recently been invented.
--Hmmm - yes that is exactly my concern. Maybe Seymour has a point when he suggests a referendum on the Treaty, a very sad thing to do but perhaps it is necessary considering the distortions recently imposed.
Crash McBash
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That does not answer the question, Tony. If you do not believe that
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What commitments exist in the Treaty that affect voting?
That is not the current basis for who is eligible to votehttps://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-elections
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and >>>one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.And that is not the current basis either
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >>>hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
Are you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of >>Waitangi commitments?
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 06:03:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt is not for me to answer a question that makes no sense.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That does not answer the question, Tony.
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What commitments exist in the Treaty that affect voting?
That is not the current basis for who is eligible to votehttps://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-elections
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and
one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.And that is not the current basis either
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >>>>hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
Are you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of >>>Waitangi commitments?
If you do not believe thatI am not, from where do you get that silly notion.
there are commitments in the Treaty that affect voting, why are you
raising the issue of co-governance regarding local Councils?
Maori doI am pushing nothing.
not seem to be pushing for co-governance in relation to council
elections . . . why are you pushing the issue?
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 06:03:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe question has been answered for you on countless occaisions Rich. co governance appears nowhere in the Treaty of Waitangi! You need to go read it some day. Take a four year old with you so they can explain it to you!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:That does not answer the question, Tony. If you do not believe that
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What commitments exist in the Treaty that affect voting?
And that is not the current basis eitherhttps://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-elections
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and
one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together. >>That is not the current basis for who is eligible to vote
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >>>hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
Are you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of >>Waitangi commitments?
there are commitments in the Treaty that affect voting, why are you
raising the issue of co-governance regarding local Councils? Maori do
not seem to be pushing for co-governance in relation to council
elections . . . why are you pushing the issue?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I asked about what you had said. I guess I should have expected that
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 06:03:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt is not for me to answer a question that makes no sense.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That does not answer the question, Tony.
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What commitments exist in the Treaty that affect voting?
And that is not the current basis eitherhttps://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-elections
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and
one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together. >>>>That is not the current basis for who is eligible to vote
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >>>>>hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
Are you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of >>>>Waitangi commitments?
Perhaps because you said "hopefully co-governance will stay off theIf you do not believe thatI am not, from where do you get that silly notion.
there are commitments in the Treaty that affect voting, why are you
raising the issue of co-governance regarding local Councils?
Maori doI am pushing nothing.
not seem to be pushing for co-governance in relation to council
elections . . . why are you pushing the issue?
I merely pointed out that the question you asked is fatuous.
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:45:36 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:happier there as well as acceptable to their brainwashed people!
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-electionsThat is not the current basis for who is eligible to vote
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and
one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.And that is not the current basis either
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time butAre you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of
hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
Waitangi commitments?
What is wrong with one person one vote and ratepayers having a vote rich. Guess so typical of Marxists like you the only people who should get a vote are party members! well that ain't democracy so I suggest you fuck off to North Korea you'll be a lot
btw Rich. The only thing the Treaty ever guaranteed was everyone being treated equally! Something numbskulls like you don't understand the concept of. That and honesty!
On 26/10/23 18:42, John Bowes wrote:happier there as well as acceptable to their brainwashed people!
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:45:36?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-electionsThat is not the current basis for who is eligible to vote
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and
one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.And that is not the current basis either
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >>>> hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.Are you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of
Waitangi commitments?
What is wrong with one person one vote and ratepayers having a vote rich. Guess so typical of Marxists like you the only people who should get a vote are party members! well that ain't democracy so I suggest you fuck off to North Korea you'll be a lot
btw Rich. The only thing the Treaty ever guaranteed was everyone being treated equally! Something numbskulls like you don't understand the concept of. That and honesty!
Reminder that residents get to vote.
Not all of them are ratepayers, but many will be tenants who pay
indirectly.
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 20:04:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, you did not. You asked an idiotic, non-sequitur question.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I asked about what you had said. I guess I should have expected that
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 06:03:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt is not for me to answer a question that makes no sense.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:That does not answer the question, Tony.
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What commitments exist in the Treaty that affect voting?
And that is not the current basis eitherhttps://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-elections
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person >>>>>>and
one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together. >>>>>That is not the current basis for who is eligible to vote
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >>>>>>hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
Are you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of >>>>>Waitangi commitments?
you cannot make sense of what you had said.
"Perhaps" you should take reading and/or comprehension lessons. I said nothing of the sort.Perhaps because you said "hopefully co-governance will stay off theIf you do not believe thatI am not, from where do you get that silly notion.
there are commitments in the Treaty that affect voting, why are you >>>raising the issue of co-governance regarding local Councils?
table"
Maori doI am pushing nothing.
not seem to be pushing for co-governance in relation to council
elections . . . why are you pushing the issue?
I merely pointed out that the question you asked is fatuous.
On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 10:36:29 +1300, greybeard <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:lot happier there as well as acceptable to their brainwashed people!
On 26/10/23 18:42, John Bowes wrote:
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:45:36?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-electionsThat is not the current basis for who is eligible to vote
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and
one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.And that is not the current basis either
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >>>> hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.Are you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of >>> Waitangi commitments?
What is wrong with one person one vote and ratepayers having a vote rich. Guess so typical of Marxists like you the only people who should get a vote are party members! well that ain't democracy so I suggest you fuck off to North Korea you'll be a
Surely if they pay rates in an area they should be eligible to vote. It's not just those who live in the region who should be able to vote. Remove that right and next you'll have any New Zealand citizen not living in NZ not being able to vote in the
btw Rich. The only thing the Treaty ever guaranteed was everyone being treated equally! Something numbskulls like you don't understand the concept of. That and honesty!
Reminder that residents get to vote.Absolutely, and everyone lives somewhere. Why then is it thought right
Not all of them are ratepayers, but many will be tenants who pay >indirectly.
that the owner of say 100 properties is able to vote in each local
authority area that they are in, and not just the jurisdiction that
they live in? As has often been said, "One person, one vote."
Do you object to that ideal, greybeard?
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 11:39:00?AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:lot happier there as well as acceptable to their brainwashed people!
On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 10:36:29 +1300, greybeard <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 26/10/23 18:42, John Bowes wrote:
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:45:36?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-electionsThat is not the current basis for who is eligible to vote
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and
one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together.
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.And that is not the current basis either
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time but >> >>>> hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.Are you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of
Waitangi commitments?
What is wrong with one person one vote and ratepayers having a vote rich. Guess so typical of Marxists like you the only people who should get a vote are party members! well that ain't democracy so I suggest you fuck off to North Korea you'll be a
general election. It's the same difference to anyone who believes in democracy...Surely if they pay rates in an area they should be eligible to vote. It's not just those who live in the region who should be able to vote. Remove that right and next you'll have any New Zealand citizen not living in NZ not being able to vote in theAbsolutely, and everyone lives somewhere. Why then is it thought right
btw Rich. The only thing the Treaty ever guaranteed was everyone being treated equally! Something numbskulls like you don't understand the concept of. That and honesty!
Reminder that residents get to vote.
Not all of them are ratepayers, but many will be tenants who pay
indirectly.
that the owner of say 100 properties is able to vote in each local
authority area that they are in, and not just the jurisdiction that
they live in? As has often been said, "One person, one vote."
Do you object to that ideal, greybeard?
On Thu, 26 Oct 2023 17:05:55 -0700 (PDT), John Bowesa lot happier there as well as acceptable to their brainwashed people!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 11:39:00?AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 10:36:29 +1300, greybeard <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 26/10/23 18:42, John Bowes wrote:
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 5:45:36?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >> >>> On 26 Oct 2023 04:08:21 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/local-government/300995755/auckland-council-rejects-mori-seats-for-2025-local-electionsAnd that is not the current basis either
This should enable the Council to get back to basics. One person, person and
one vote. No favours and the ability for everyone to work together. >> >>> That is not the current basis for who is eligible to vote
The voting needs to be done by all ratepayers.
There ia a great deal of shifting through of ideas, it's take time butAre you saying that the current voting system does not meet Treaty of >> >>> Waitangi commitments?
hopefully co-governace will stay off the table.
What is wrong with one person one vote and ratepayers having a vote rich. Guess so typical of Marxists like you the only people who should get a vote are party members! well that ain't democracy so I suggest you fuck off to North Korea you'll be
general election. It's the same difference to anyone who believes in democracy...Surely if they pay rates in an area they should be eligible to vote. It's not just those who live in the region who should be able to vote. Remove that right and next you'll have any New Zealand citizen not living in NZ not being able to vote in theAbsolutely, and everyone lives somewhere. Why then is it thought right
btw Rich. The only thing the Treaty ever guaranteed was everyone being treated equally! Something numbskulls like you don't understand the concept of. That and honesty!
Reminder that residents get to vote.
Not all of them are ratepayers, but many will be tenants who pay
indirectly.
that the owner of say 100 properties is able to vote in each local
authority area that they are in, and not just the jurisdiction that
they live in? As has often been said, "One person, one vote."
Do you object to that ideal, greybeard?
I regularly pay taxes (GST in particular) outside the electorate thatDo stop being a typical left wing fuckwit! so typical of your stupidity you compare rates and GST! It's obviously slipped what passes for your brain that one is related to property owning and the other is just a IRD money grab! Despite what you think
I vote it - do you believe I should be able to vote in more than one electorate on that basis?
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