See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his others are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is on about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi Tribunal. So it seemsco-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his others are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is on about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi Tribunal. So it seems
Davidson was the only one opening her big mouth before the election. but they got a hammering on X/Twitter :)As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!They were very quiet about the goings on in the middle east before
the election as they may have lost votes but now it's over I expect
them to break out in to pro Hamas press releases.
On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 16:29:51 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his others are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is on about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi Tribunal. So it
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
They were very quiet about the goings on in the middle east beforeThe outgoing Foreign Minister spoke up fairly early on, making it
the election as they may have lost votes but now it's over I expect
them to break out in to pro Hamas press releases.
clear that while New Zealand understood the feelings of Israel
following the attack by Hamas, we urged both sides of the conflict to
comply with international obligations and to respect the lives of
civilians. This was more even-handed than most countries were being at
that stage.
You are right that National were very quiet about the events in Israel
- are you expecting Luxon to take a different approach for some reason
and applaud Israel for the civilian deaths they have caused? If so, I
think you are dead wrong. Not even National are that stupid - in fact
nearly as stupid as the Subject of this thread which is plainly wrong,
as is the post by John Bowes; but they were on a totally different
subject than your attempted diversion.
On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 16:29:51 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>The only diversion is your last paragraph, totally off topic.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his others >>>are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is on
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi >>>Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for >>>forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been >>>used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
They were very quiet about the goings on in the middle east before
the election as they may have lost votes but now it's over I expect
them to break out in to pro Hamas press releases.
The outgoing Foreign Minister spoke up fairly early on, making it
clear that while New Zealand understood the feelings of Israel
following the attack by Hamas, we urged both sides of the conflict to
comply with international obligations and to respect the lives of
civilians. This was more even-handed than most countries were being at
that stage.
You are right that National were very quiet about the events in Israel
- are you expecting Luxon to take a different approach for some reason
and applaud Israel for the civilian deaths they have caused? If so, I
think you are dead wrong. Not even National are that stupid - in fact
nearly as stupid as the Subject of this thread which is plainly wrong,
as is the post by John Bowes; but they were on a totally different
subject than your attempted diversion.
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his others are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is on about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi Tribunal. So it seems
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
They were very quiet about the goings on in the middle east before
the election as they may have lost votes but now it's over I expect
them to break out in to pro Hamas press releases.
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Shush.
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his others >>are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is onHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi >>Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for >>forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been >>used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his others are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is on about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi Tribunal. So it seemsco-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been used to destroy democracy in our country!Has anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>And neither should he - yet!
wrote:
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his others >>>are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is onHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi >>>Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for >>>forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been >>>used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as
usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not
recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely
been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more >immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to
our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but
that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards
one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine
grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel -
at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls
this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to
he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for
our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime
Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and
they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and
urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders
want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and
consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly
Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even
expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his others are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is on about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi Tribunal. So it
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is asAs to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been used to destroy democracy in our country!Has anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not
recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely
been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to
our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but
that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards
one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine
grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel -
at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls
this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to
he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for
our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and
they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders
want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and
consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly
Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his others are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is on about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi Tribunal. So it seems
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been used to destroy democracy in our country!Has anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Most likely with Foreign Affairs - public servants are there for a
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>And neither should he - yet!
wrote:
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his others >>>>are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is onHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi >>>>Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for >>>>forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been >>>>used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as
usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not
recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely
been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more >>immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to
our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but
that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards
one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine
grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel -
at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls
this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to
he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for
our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime >>Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and
they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and >>urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders
want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and
consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly
Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even >>expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
And you know it.
You are guessing that he has not had discussions and in fact I am sure he has, >and not necessarily with the previous PM (unlikely to be productive) but >perhaps with his intended foreign minister(?).
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:13:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyUnlike you I know that. I still believe he would talk to his planned appointee and that person would talk to the public servants - Luxon is a businessman and he would keep to protocol, something the last government could barely spell let alone understand.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Most likely with Foreign Affairs - public servants are there for a
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:And neither should he - yet!
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his >>>>>othersHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or >>>>has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy >>>>>is on
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi >>>>>Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for >>>>>forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The >>>>>Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been >>>>>used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as
usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not
recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely
been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more >>>immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to >>>our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but
that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards
one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine >>>grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel -
at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls
this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to
he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for >>>our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime >>>Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and >>>they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and >>>urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders >>>want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and >>>consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly >>>Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even >>>expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
And you know it.
You are guessing that he has not had discussions and in fact I am sure he >>has,
and not necessarily with the previous PM (unlikely to be productive) but >>perhaps with his intended foreign minister(?).
purpose!
There are other ways for New Zealand to express its view -That was not a slur, what are you on?
having our representative at the United Nations would be one of those,
but your instinctive slur about talking with the outgoing prime
minister
is typical of your inability to act with the civility thatLuxon did not need to learn anything to do with civility - he has enough for all of us (except you, that is impossible).
Luxon came to realise may be important - just as he realised that he
is likely to be our next Prime Minister . . .
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:13:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhat would be achieved by Luxon talking to the loser Hipkins? Hipkins is old news and was leader for the last year of the worst government in NZ history. Talking with him would be like expecting sense from you Rich. A total waste of time!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Most likely with Foreign Affairs - public servants are there for a
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>And neither should he - yet!
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his othersHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or >>>has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is on
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi
Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for
forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been
used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as
usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not
recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely
been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more >>immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to >>our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but
that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards
one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine >>grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel -
at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls
this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to
he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for >>our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime >>Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and >>they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and >>urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders >>want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and >>consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly >>Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even >>expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
And you know it.
You are guessing that he has not had discussions and in fact I am sure he has,
and not necessarily with the previous PM (unlikely to be productive) but >perhaps with his intended foreign minister(?).
purpose! There are other ways for New Zealand to express its view -
having our representative at the United Nations would be one of those,
but your instinctive slur about talking with the outgoing prime
minister is typical of your inability to act with the civility that
Luxon came to realise may be important - just as he realised that he
is likely to be our next Prime Minister . . .
On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 12:33:41?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:13:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhat would be achieved by Luxon talking to the loser Hipkins? Hipkins is old news and was leader for the last year of the worst government in NZ history. Talking with him would be like expecting sense from you Rich. A total waste of time!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Most likely with Foreign Affairs - public servants are there for a
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>And neither should he - yet!
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his othersHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or
are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is on
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi
Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for
forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been
used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as
usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not
recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely
been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more
immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to
our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but
that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards
one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine
grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel -
at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls
this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to
he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for
our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime
Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and
they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and
urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders
want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and
consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly
Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even
expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
And you know it.
You are guessing that he has not had discussions and in fact I am sure he has,
and not necessarily with the previous PM (unlikely to be productive) but
perhaps with his intended foreign minister(?).
purpose! There are other ways for New Zealand to express its view -
having our representative at the United Nations would be one of those,
but your instinctive slur about talking with the outgoing prime
minister is typical of your inability to act with the civility that
Luxon came to realise may be important - just as he realised that he
is likely to be our next Prime Minister . . .
Once again it's a pity you and your alter egos don't practice what you preach!
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 17:19:58 -0700 (PDT), John BowesAnother lie from Rich80105 - Luxon shows more civility than Hipkins and company by a country mile, you are not even in the picture. Your immediate response to a disastrous election campaign and result by Labour is to attack people - looks like you are tryting to attack Luxon now - good luck with the impossible.
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 12:33:41?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:13:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhat would be achieved by Luxon talking to the loser Hipkins? Hipkins is old >>news and was leader for the last year of the worst government in NZ history. >>Talking with him would be like expecting sense from you Rich. A total waste of
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Most likely with Foreign Affairs - public servants are there for a
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his >>> >>>>others
are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty'
jimmy is on
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the
Waitangi
Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour >>> >>>>for
forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! >>> >>>>The Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has >>> >>>>been
used to destroy democracy in our country!
And neither should he - yet!Has anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks orhttps://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as
usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not
recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely
been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more >>> >>immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to >>> >>our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but
that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards
one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine
grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel -
at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls
this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to
he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for >>> >>our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime
Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and >>> >>they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and >>> >>urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders
want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and
consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly
Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even
expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
And you know it.
You are guessing that he has not had discussions and in fact I am sure he >>> >has,
and not necessarily with the previous PM (unlikely to be productive) but >>> >perhaps with his intended foreign minister(?).
purpose! There are other ways for New Zealand to express its view -
having our representative at the United Nations would be one of those,
but your instinctive slur about talking with the outgoing prime
minister is typical of your inability to act with the civility that
Luxon came to realise may be important - just as he realised that he
is likely to be our next Prime Minister . . .
time!
Once again it's a pity you and your alter egos don't practice what you preach!
It was actually Luxon calling for a move towards civility - a new
concept for him
and absolutely for you, but doubtless you were not
listening to him . . .
In reality, there are some policies where Labour and National
disagree, but as Prime Minister Hipkins will have learned facts and >information which may be useful to the new PM if he was prepared to
listen. Most handovers have been quite civil - as a CEO Luxon will
have experienced replacing someone; and be aware of information that
may be useful to obtain during a handover process. Again you have
probably never had that experience to understand the value that can be >obtained. So keep going in your little pit of despair, John Bowes -
you clearly value only your own opinions and lack understanding of
even those.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:13:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyUnlike you I know that. I still believe he would talk to his planned appointee >and that person would talk to the public servants - Luxon is a businessman and >he would keep to protocol, something the last government could barely spell let
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Most likely with Foreign Affairs - public servants are there for a
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:And neither should he - yet!
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his >>>>>>othersHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or >>>>>has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy >>>>>>is on
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi >>>>>>Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for
forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The >>>>>>Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been
used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as
usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not >>>>recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely >>>>been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more >>>>immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to >>>>our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but
that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards
one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine >>>>grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel - >>>>at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls >>>>this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to >>>>he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for >>>>our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime >>>>Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and >>>>they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and >>>>urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders >>>>want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and >>>>consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly >>>>Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even >>>>expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
And you know it.
You are guessing that he has not had discussions and in fact I am sure he >>>has,
and not necessarily with the previous PM (unlikely to be productive) but >>>perhaps with his intended foreign minister(?).
purpose!
alone understand.
Having said that, as I made clear, he should not make any announcements at this
time, it is too early and there is an interim government in place. That is also
protocol, can "you" spell that yet?
There are other ways for New Zealand to express its view -That was not a slur, what are you on?
having our representative at the United Nations would be one of those,
but your instinctive slur about talking with the outgoing prime
minister
is typical of your inability to act with the civility thatLuxon did not need to learn anything to do with civility - he has enough for >all of us (except you, that is impossible).
Luxon came to realise may be important - just as he realised that he
is likely to be our next Prime Minister . . .
He is isn fact going to be PM, not merely a likelihood - a certainty.
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 00:57:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhen did you write that? I am not surprised that you did however. In which case you probably shouldn't call yourself an idiot, more likely extremely unwell. Sociopathy is my guess.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:13:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyUnlike you I know that. I still believe he would talk to his planned >>appointee
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Most likely with Foreign Affairs - public servants are there for a >>>purpose!
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:And neither should he - yet!
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his >>>>>>>othersHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or >>>>>>has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' >>>>>>>jimmy
is on
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the >>>>>>>Waitangi
Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour >>>>>>>for
forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The >>>>>>>Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has >>>>>>>been
used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as >>>>>usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not >>>>>recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely >>>>>been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more >>>>>immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to >>>>>our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but >>>>>that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards >>>>>one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine >>>>>grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel - >>>>>at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls >>>>>this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to >>>>>he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for >>>>>our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime >>>>>Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and >>>>>they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and >>>>>urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders >>>>>want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and >>>>>consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly >>>>>Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even >>>>>expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
And you know it.
You are guessing that he has not had discussions and in fact I am sure he >>>>has,
and not necessarily with the previous PM (unlikely to be productive) but >>>>perhaps with his intended foreign minister(?).
and that person would talk to the public servants - Luxon is a businessman >>and
he would keep to protocol, something the last government could barely spell >>let
alone understand.
Having said that, as I made clear, he should not make any announcements at >>this
time, it is too early and there is an interim government in place. That is >>also
protocol, can "you" spell that yet?
There are other ways for New Zealand to express its view -That was not a slur, what are you on?
having our representative at the United Nations would be one of those, >>>but your instinctive slur about talking with the outgoing prime
minister
is typical of your inability to act with the civility thatLuxon did not need to learn anything to do with civility - he has enough for >>all of us (except you, that is impossible).
Luxon came to realise may be important - just as he realised that he
is likely to be our next Prime Minister . . .
He is isn fact going to be PM, not merely a likelihood - a certainty.
So says the idiot that claims science cannot prove anything.
It isThey will not make a difference to who will become PM, whatever happens. But since fantasy is all you have left, please indulge yourself in your usual way.
extremely unlikely, but we still do have a large number of special and >Overseas votes to be counted .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:A direct response to your statement "He is isn fact going to be PM,
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 00:57:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhen did you write that?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:13:37 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Unlike you I know that. I still believe he would talk to his planned >>>appointee
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Most likely with Foreign Affairs - public servants are there for a >>>>purpose!
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:And neither should he - yet!
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his >>>>>>>>othersHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or >>>>>>>has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' >>>>>>>>jimmy
is on
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the >>>>>>>>Waitangi
Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour >>>>>>>>for
forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The
Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history. >>>>>>>>As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has >>>>>>>>been
used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as >>>>>>usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not >>>>>>recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely >>>>>>been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more >>>>>>immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to >>>>>>our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but >>>>>>that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards >>>>>>one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine >>>>>>grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel - >>>>>>at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls >>>>>>this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to >>>>>>he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for >>>>>>our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime >>>>>>Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and >>>>>>they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and >>>>>>urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders >>>>>>want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and >>>>>>consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly >>>>>>Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even >>>>>>expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
And you know it.
You are guessing that he has not had discussions and in fact I am sure he >>>>>has,
and not necessarily with the previous PM (unlikely to be productive) but >>>>>perhaps with his intended foreign minister(?).
and that person would talk to the public servants - Luxon is a businessman >>>and
he would keep to protocol, something the last government could barely spell >>>let
alone understand.
Having said that, as I made clear, he should not make any announcements at >>>this
time, it is too early and there is an interim government in place. That is >>>also
protocol, can "you" spell that yet?
There are other ways for New Zealand to express its view -That was not a slur, what are you on?
having our representative at the United Nations would be one of those, >>>>but your instinctive slur about talking with the outgoing prime >>>>minister
is typical of your inability to act with the civility thatLuxon did not need to learn anything to do with civility - he has enough for >>>all of us (except you, that is impossible).
Luxon came to realise may be important - just as he realised that he
is likely to be our next Prime Minister . . .
He is isn fact going to be PM, not merely a likelihood - a certainty.
So says the idiot that claims science cannot prove anything.
I am not surprised that you did however. In which casetoday, Tony?
you probably shouldn't call yourself an idiot, more likely extremely unwell. >Sociopathy is my guess.
It isThey will not make a difference to who will become PM, whatever happens. But >since fantasy is all you have left, please indulge yourself in your usual way. As I said, it is extremely unlikely, but possible - logic escaping you
extremely unlikely, but we still do have a large number of special and >>Overseas votes to be counted .
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 00:57:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyBeats the shit out of the imbecile who thinks science works on consensus!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:So says the idiot that claims science cannot prove anything. It is
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:13:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyUnlike you I know that. I still believe he would talk to his planned appointee
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Most likely with Foreign Affairs - public servants are there for a >>purpose!
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:And neither should he - yet!
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his >>>>>>othersHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or >>>>>has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy
is on
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi
Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for
forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The
Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history. >>>>>>As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been
used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as >>>>usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not >>>>recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely >>>>been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more >>>>immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to >>>>our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but >>>>that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards >>>>one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine >>>>grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel - >>>>at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls >>>>this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to >>>>he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for >>>>our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime >>>>Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and >>>>they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and >>>>urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders >>>>want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and >>>>consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly >>>>Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even >>>>expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
And you know it.
You are guessing that he has not had discussions and in fact I am sure he >>>has,
and not necessarily with the previous PM (unlikely to be productive) but >>>perhaps with his intended foreign minister(?).
and that person would talk to the public servants - Luxon is a businessman and
he would keep to protocol, something the last government could barely spell let
alone understand.
Having said that, as I made clear, he should not make any announcements at this
time, it is too early and there is an interim government in place. That is also
protocol, can "you" spell that yet?
There are other ways for New Zealand to express its view -That was not a slur, what are you on?
having our representative at the United Nations would be one of those, >>but your instinctive slur about talking with the outgoing prime
minister
is typical of your inability to act with the civility thatLuxon did not need to learn anything to do with civility - he has enough for
Luxon came to realise may be important - just as he realised that he
is likely to be our next Prime Minister . . .
all of us (except you, that is impossible).
He is isn fact going to be PM, not merely a likelihood - a certainty.
extremely unlikely, but we still do have a large number of special and Overseas votes to be counted . . .
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Didn't Rich claim he had a science degree? He probably has. It'll be the science of stupid going by his performance in this ng...
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 02:55:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Which is nothing to do with science. Which degree do you pretend you have by the way? Do remind us.Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:A direct response to your statement "He is isn fact going to be PM,
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 00:57:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhen did you write that?
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:So says the idiot that claims science cannot prove anything.
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:13:37 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Unlike you I know that. I still believe he would talk to his planned >>>>appointee
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Most likely with Foreign Affairs - public servants are there for a >>>>>purpose!
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:And neither should he - yet!
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like hisHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or >>>>>>>>has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
others
are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' >>>>>>>>>jimmy
is on
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the >>>>>>>>>Waitangi
Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour
for
forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is!
The
Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history. >>>>>>>>>As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has
been
used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as >>>>>>>usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not >>>>>>>recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely >>>>>>>been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more
immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to
our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but >>>>>>>that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards >>>>>>>one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine >>>>>>>grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel - >>>>>>>at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls >>>>>>>this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to >>>>>>>he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for
our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime >>>>>>>Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and
they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and
urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders >>>>>>>want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and >>>>>>>consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly >>>>>>>Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even >>>>>>>expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
And you know it.
You are guessing that he has not had discussions and in fact I am sure he
has,
and not necessarily with the previous PM (unlikely to be productive) but
perhaps with his intended foreign minister(?).
and that person would talk to the public servants - Luxon is a businessman
and
he would keep to protocol, something the last government could barely spell
let
alone understand.
Having said that, as I made clear, he should not make any announcements at
this
time, it is too early and there is an interim government in place. That is
also
protocol, can "you" spell that yet?
There are other ways for New Zealand to express its view -That was not a slur, what are you on?
having our representative at the United Nations would be one of those, >>>>>but your instinctive slur about talking with the outgoing prime >>>>>minister
is typical of your inability to act with the civility thatLuxon did not need to learn anything to do with civility - he has enough >>>>for
Luxon came to realise may be important - just as he realised that he >>>>>is likely to be our next Prime Minister . . .
all of us (except you, that is impossible).
He is isn fact going to be PM, not merely a likelihood - a certainty. >>>
not merely a likelihood - a certainty."
A degree normally results in some sort of logic, in your case a failure - or no
degree. Which? Eh?
No logic in your statement, just fantasy - sociopathy at work.I am not surprised that you did however. In which caseAs I said, it is extremely unlikely, but possible - logic escaping you >today, Tony?
you probably shouldn't call yourself an idiot, more likely extremely unwell.
Sociopathy is my guess.
It isThey will not make a difference to who will become PM, whatever happens. But
extremely unlikely, but we still do have a large number of special and >>>Overseas votes to be counted .
since fantasy is all you have left, please indulge yourself in your usual way.
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 17:19:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 12:33:41?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:It was actually Luxon calling for a move towards civility - a new
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:13:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhat would be achieved by Luxon talking to the loser Hipkins? Hipkins is old news and was leader for the last year of the worst government in NZ history. Talking with him would be like expecting sense from you Rich. A total waste of time!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Most likely with Foreign Affairs - public servants are there for a
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>And neither should he - yet!
wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his othersHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or >> >>>has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' jimmy is on
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the Waitangi
Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour for
forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! The Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history.
As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has been
used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as
usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not
recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely
been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more >> >>immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to >> >>our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but
that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards
one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine
grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel - >> >>at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls
this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to >> >>he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for >> >>our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime
Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and >> >>they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and >> >>urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders >> >>want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and
consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly
Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even
expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
And you know it.
You are guessing that he has not had discussions and in fact I am sure he has,
and not necessarily with the previous PM (unlikely to be productive) but >> >perhaps with his intended foreign minister(?).
purpose! There are other ways for New Zealand to express its view -
having our representative at the United Nations would be one of those,
but your instinctive slur about talking with the outgoing prime
minister is typical of your inability to act with the civility that
Luxon came to realise may be important - just as he realised that he
is likely to be our next Prime Minister . . .
Once again it's a pity you and your alter egos don't practice what you preach!
concept for him and absolutely for you, but doubtless you were not
listening to him . . .
In reality, there are some policies where Labour and National
disagree, but as Prime Minister Hipkins will have learned facts and information which may be useful to the new PM if he was prepared to
listen. Most handovers have been quite civil - as a CEO Luxon will
have experienced replacing someone; and be aware of information that
may be useful to obtain during a handover process. Again you have
probably never had that experience to understand the value that can be obtained. So keep going in your little pit of despair, John Bowes -
you clearly value only your own opinions and lack understanding of
even those.
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 02:55:59 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhich is nothing to do with science. Which degree do you pretend you have by the way? Do remind us.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:A direct response to your statement "He is isn fact going to be PM,
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 00:57:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhen did you write that?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:13:37 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Unlike you I know that. I still believe he would talk to his planned >>>>appointee
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Most likely with Foreign Affairs - public servants are there for a >>>>>purpose!
On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 08:57:25 +1300, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:And neither should he - yet!
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
See Jimmy Shaw is keeping up his doomsday predictions. This like his >>>>>>>>>othersHas anyone here seen Mowwissey Breen here over the past few weeks or >>>>>>>>has he gone to Palestine to fight for his beloved Hamas??
are just a typical Shaw pipe dream! We should remember the 'treaty' >>>>>>>>>jimmy
is on
about is the bullshit one written by a Labour government for the >>>>>>>>>Waitangi
Tribunal. So it seems co-governance has been a secret agenda of Labour >>>>>>>>>for
forty years. This treaty needs to be exposed for the bullshit it is! >>>>>>>>>The
Treaty
was signed in 1840 NOT 1980! Time it was consigned to history. >>>>>>>>>As to riots. I doubt it. Many Maori I know are opposed to what it has >>>>>>>>>been
used to destroy democracy in our country!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/133123493/it-could-lead-to-violence-james-shaws-warning-about-acts-treaty-of-waitangi-referendum
It's time New Zealand was consulted!
I quite understand your ignoring the stupidity of JohnB who is as >>>>>>>usual totally wrong.
Morrissey may well have tired of such stupidity as well. I do not >>>>>>>recall him having particularly supported Hamas - he may have merely >>>>>>>been ahead of the bias towards Israel that has been the result of more >>>>>>>immigration to New Zealand, as for many countries, of Jewish people to >>>>>>>our countries. They have been important and valued immigrants, but >>>>>>>that does not mean that our foreign policy should be biased towards >>>>>>>one side in the current or previous conflicts. There are genuine >>>>>>>grievances by Palestinians and others relating to actions of Israel - >>>>>>>at times those grievances are overstated, but there have been calls >>>>>>>this week for New Zealand to make their position clear in relation to >>>>>>>he current severe conflict. We are however in a change-over period for >>>>>>>our government - but it reflects badly on us that the incoming Prime >>>>>>>Minister has not had a discussion with the outgoing Prime Minister and >>>>>>>they made an agreed statement deploring the actions on both sides, and >>>>>>>urging cessation of the killing. As Auckland now know, New Zealanders >>>>>>>want us to make a balanced statement that calls for peace and >>>>>>>consideration of humanitarian needs from both sides. This is hardly >>>>>>>Luxon's first failure, but it is disappointing that he has not even >>>>>>>expressed an opinion as incoming Prime Minister.
And you know it.
You are guessing that he has not had discussions and in fact I am sure he >>>>>>has,
and not necessarily with the previous PM (unlikely to be productive) but >>>>>>perhaps with his intended foreign minister(?).
and that person would talk to the public servants - Luxon is a businessman >>>>and
he would keep to protocol, something the last government could barely spell >>>>let
alone understand.
Having said that, as I made clear, he should not make any announcements at >>>>this
time, it is too early and there is an interim government in place. That is >>>>also
protocol, can "you" spell that yet?
There are other ways for New Zealand to express its view -That was not a slur, what are you on?
having our representative at the United Nations would be one of those, >>>>>but your instinctive slur about talking with the outgoing prime >>>>>minister
is typical of your inability to act with the civility thatLuxon did not need to learn anything to do with civility - he has enough >>>>for
Luxon came to realise may be important - just as he realised that he >>>>>is likely to be our next Prime Minister . . .
all of us (except you, that is impossible).
He is isn fact going to be PM, not merely a likelihood - a certainty.
So says the idiot that claims science cannot prove anything.
not merely a likelihood - a certainty."
No logic in your statement, just fantasy - sociopathy at work.I am not surprised that you did however. In which caseAs I said, it is extremely unlikely, but possible - logic escaping you
you probably shouldn't call yourself an idiot, more likely extremely unwell. >>Sociopathy is my guess.
It isThey will not make a difference to who will become PM, whatever happens. But >>since fantasy is all you have left, please indulge yourself in your usual way.
extremely unlikely, but we still do have a large number of special and >>>Overseas votes to be counted .
today, Tony?
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