• Climateers Will Kill You

    From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 15 05:47:03 2023
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun

    Absolutely everything is wrong with this article in which climate
    hysterics describe the climate remedies they will use to (as with
    Covid) confront a problem which does not exist, and those "remedies"
    will in fact cause mass deaths.

    Their plan is to fill the stratosphere with reflectives which will
    block the Sun. Of course what would actually happen is that the
    reflectives will persist in the stratosphere and we will all die of catastrophic cold. But somehow that obvious outcome is not mentioned
    in the article.

    I won't cite lines and refutations -- the whole article is insane.
    Science is out to kill us now. At the end it spouts the concluding
    lunacy: "Any climate sceptics left are frauds or fools".

    Many predictions are made that we will die from pollution. But a new
    menace has appeared, not predicted in the literature -- we may instead
    die from the idiotic actions of our pestilent priests of "science",
    reacting to hysterical visions where no actual problem exists.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 16 08:11:00 2023
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 05:47:03 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun

    Absolutely everything is wrong with this article in which climate
    hysterics describe the climate remedies they will use to (as with
    Covid) confront a problem which does not exist, and those "remedies"
    will in fact cause mass deaths.
    Your reference to Covid is surely mis-placed. Covid is an infectious
    virus (or set of viruses) - the best way to avoid catching Covid is to
    avoid proximity to someone else that is infected, and after that to be vaccinated. Doubtless we still have a few zealots who will push for
    the 1918 influenza solution - prayer and hope. New Zealand was
    particularly successful at saving lives through avoiding Covid
    infections; but that has very little to do with the effects of climate
    change - or are you advocating prayer and hope there Willy Nilly?


    Their plan is to fill the stratosphere with reflectives which will
    block the Sun. Of course what would actually happen is that the
    reflectives will persist in the stratosphere and we will all die of >catastrophic cold. But somehow that obvious outcome is not mentioned
    in the article.

    I won't cite lines and refutations -- the whole article is insane.
    Science is out to kill us now. At the end it spouts the concluding
    lunacy: "Any climate sceptics left are frauds or fools".
    Strange ideas from zealots are not necessarily science, Willy Nilly.

    Many predictions are made that we will die from pollution. But a new
    menace has appeared, not predicted in the literature -- we may instead
    die from the idiotic actions of our pestilent priests of "science",
    reacting to hysterical visions where no actual problem exists.
    Science comes to prove or disprove conjectures - hysterical visions
    are not science, and may never become science. But we do know that
    effective vaccines were developed - with later vaccines generally more effective than early vaccines - that is when science came into its
    own. The same is happening with climate change - crackpot ideas do not
    make science, but they may lead to scientific discoveries, and we do
    know that some things are likely to affect long term climate, and a
    past National Government did sign us up to international treaties to
    use science to try to avoid the worst effects of scientifically
    predicted disastrous weather events. So I agree with you, let us avoid hysterical visions - which you post may in part resemble, but also
    seek truth through science in exploring ideas that may (or may not)
    assist us to collectively avoid the worst effects of our own actions
    regarding pollution and changes to our atmosphere and hence climate .
    . .

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 16 17:36:42 2023
    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:11:00 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    hysterical visions are not science, and may never become science.

    You mean like the hysterical visions of people like Greta Thunberg?

    Bill.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 15 23:37:49 2023
    On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 7:29:59 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:36:42 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:11:00 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    hysterical visions are not science, and may never become science.

    You mean like the hysterical visions of people like Greta Thunberg?
    No, I did not. When are you going to stop telling untruths, BR?


    Bill.
    When you do Rich! You, Shaw and Greta are cut from the same cloth. Barely an active brain cell among you!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Mon Oct 16 19:29:32 2023
    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:36:42 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:11:00 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    hysterical visions are not science, and may never become science.

    You mean like the hysterical visions of people like Greta Thunberg?
    No, I did not. When are you going to stop telling untruths, BR?


    Bill.

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 04:55:06 2023
    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 19:29:32 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:36:42 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:11:00 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:


    hysterical visions are not science, and may never become science.

    You mean like the hysterical visions of people like Greta Thunberg?
    No, I did not. When are you going to stop telling untruths, BR?

    I didn't tell anything, I merely asked you a question.

    So explain are these "hysterical visions".

    Does Greta Thunberg not have "hysterical visions"?

    Bill.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Tue Oct 17 08:56:53 2023
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 04:55:06 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 19:29:32 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:36:42 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:11:00 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:


    hysterical visions are not science, and may never become science.

    You mean like the hysterical visions of people like Greta Thunberg?
    No, I did not. When are you going to stop telling untruths, BR?

    I didn't tell anything, I merely asked you a question.

    So explain are these "hysterical visions".

    Does Greta Thunberg not have "hysterical visions"?

    Bill.

    Read the url posted at the start of this thread: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 17:36:10 2023
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:56:53 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 04:55:06 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 19:29:32 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:36:42 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:11:00 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:


    hysterical visions are not science, and may never become science.

    You mean like the hysterical visions of people like Greta Thunberg?
    No, I did not. When are you going to stop telling untruths, BR?

    I didn't tell anything, I merely asked you a question.

    So explain are these "hysterical visions".

    Does Greta Thunberg not have "hysterical visions"?

    Bill.

    Read the url posted at the start of this thread:

    I've read it. It is nonsense.

    So getting back to the question; does Greta Thunberg have "hysterical
    visions" or does she not?

    How about India Bourke?

    Bill.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Tue Oct 17 21:31:39 2023
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 17:36:10 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:56:53 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 04:55:06 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 19:29:32 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:36:42 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:11:00 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:


    hysterical visions are not science, and may never become science.

    You mean like the hysterical visions of people like Greta Thunberg? >>>>No, I did not. When are you going to stop telling untruths, BR?

    I didn't tell anything, I merely asked you a question.

    So explain are these "hysterical visions".

    Does Greta Thunberg not have "hysterical visions"?

    Bill.

    Read the url posted at the start of this thread:

    I've read it. It is nonsense.

    So you deliberately delete part of the previous post - here is the
    url: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun

    The next step would be the sort of scummy misrepresentation by
    selective deleting of previous posts that the Tony has been called on
    - you are usually much better than that at normal courtesies, BR.


    So getting back to the question; does Greta Thunberg have "hysterical >visions" or does she not?

    How about India Bourke?

    Bill.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Oct 17 19:31:29 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 17:36:10 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:56:53 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 04:55:06 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 19:29:32 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:36:42 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:11:00 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:


    hysterical visions are not science, and may never become science.

    You mean like the hysterical visions of people like Greta Thunberg? >>>>>No, I did not. When are you going to stop telling untruths, BR?

    I didn't tell anything, I merely asked you a question.

    So explain are these "hysterical visions".

    Does Greta Thunberg not have "hysterical visions"?

    Bill.

    Read the url posted at the start of this thread:

    I've read it. It is nonsense.

    So you deliberately delete part of the previous post - here is the
    url: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun

    The next step would be the sort of scummy misrepresentation by
    selective deleting of previous posts that the Tony has been called on
    - you are usually much better than that at normal courtesies, BR.
    You are the only scum here - your defamation, lies and abusive repetitive sarcasm are beyond anything that the rest of us combined do.
    That is clear.


    So getting back to the question; does Greta Thunberg have "hysterical >>visions" or does she not?

    How about India Bourke?

    Bill.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 17 13:31:12 2023
    On Tuesday, October 17, 2023 at 9:32:19 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 17:36:10 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:56:53 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 04:55:06 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 19:29:32 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:36:42 +1300, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:11:00 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:


    hysterical visions are not science, and may never become science. >>>>>
    You mean like the hysterical visions of people like Greta Thunberg? >>>>No, I did not. When are you going to stop telling untruths, BR?

    I didn't tell anything, I merely asked you a question.

    So explain are these "hysterical visions".

    Does Greta Thunberg not have "hysterical visions"?

    Bill.

    Read the url posted at the start of this thread:

    I've read it. It is nonsense.
    So you deliberately delete part of the previous post - here is the
    url: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun

    The next step would be the sort of scummy misrepresentation by
    selective deleting of previous posts that the Tony has been called on
    - you are usually much better than that at normal courtesies, BR.

    Poor wee Rich off on another display of his ignorance, bias and propensity to lie! Labours loss must have got to the poor wee lefty pos:)

    So getting back to the question; does Greta Thunberg have "hysterical >visions" or does she not?

    How about India Bourke?

    Bill.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Oct 17 21:36:16 2023
    On 2023-10-17, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 17:36:10 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:56:53 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 04:55:06 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 19:29:32 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:36:42 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:11:00 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:


    hysterical visions are not science, and may never become science.

    You mean like the hysterical visions of people like Greta Thunberg? >>>>>No, I did not. When are you going to stop telling untruths, BR?

    I didn't tell anything, I merely asked you a question.

    So explain are these "hysterical visions".

    Does Greta Thunberg not have "hysterical visions"?

    Bill.

    Read the url posted at the start of this thread:

    I've read it. It is nonsense.

    So you deliberately delete part of the previous post - here is the
    url: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun

    The next step would be the sort of scummy misrepresentation by
    selective deleting of previous posts that the Tony has been called on
    - you are usually much better than that at normal courtesies, BR.

    Once again you are playing the man.

    Take the question at face value and explain your point of view. Then accept that the reply maybe not agreeable to you but that is life.





    So getting back to the question; does Greta Thunberg have "hysterical >>visions" or does she not?

    How about India Bourke?

    Bill.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed Oct 18 18:23:05 2023
    On 17 Oct 2023 21:36:16 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-10-17, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 17:36:10 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 08:56:53 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Tue, 17 Oct 2023 04:55:06 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 19:29:32 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 17:36:42 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:11:00 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:


    hysterical visions are not science, and may never become science. >>>>>>>
    You mean like the hysterical visions of people like Greta Thunberg? >>>>>>No, I did not. When are you going to stop telling untruths, BR?

    I didn't tell anything, I merely asked you a question.

    So explain are these "hysterical visions".

    Does Greta Thunberg not have "hysterical visions"?

    Bill.

    Read the url posted at the start of this thread:

    I've read it. It is nonsense.

    So you deliberately delete part of the previous post - here is the
    url:
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun

    The next step would be the sort of scummy misrepresentation by
    selective deleting of previous posts that the Tony has been called on
    - you are usually much better than that at normal courtesies, BR.

    Once again you are playing the man.

    Take the question at face value and explain your point of view. Then accept >that the reply maybe not agreeable to you but that is life.
    Relying on deletion of part of a post to distort a thread is scummy
    whoever does it - it is often a tacit recognition that the offender is
    unable to act decently and respond responsibly


    So getting back to the question; does Greta Thunberg have "hysterical >>>visions" or does she not?
    As I said above, I do not believe she does.

    The reference to "hysterical visions" was initially made by Willy
    Nilly - extract from post of 16/10/2023 - the practice of deleting
    relevant posts is confusing you Gordon:
    Extract: _______________________________ >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/features/500234/to-avert-climate-disaster-what-if-one-rogue-nation-dimmed-the-sun

    Absolutely everything is wrong with this article in which climate
    hysterics describe the climate remedies they will use to (as with
    Covid) confront a problem which does not exist, and those "remedies"
    will in fact cause mass deaths.
    Your reference to Covid is surely mis-placed. Covid is an infectious
    virus (or set of viruses) - the best way to avoid catching Covid is to
    avoid proximity to someone else that is infected, and after that to be vaccinated. Doubtless we still have a few zealots who will push for
    the 1918 influenza solution - prayer and hope. New Zealand was
    particularly successful at saving lives through avoiding Covid
    infections; but that has very little to do with the effects of climate
    change - or are you advocating prayer and hope there Willy Nilly?


    Their plan is to fill the stratosphere with reflectives which will
    block the Sun. Of course what would actually happen is that the
    reflectives will persist in the stratosphere and we will all die of >catastrophic cold. But somehow that obvious outcome is not mentioned
    in the article.

    I won't cite lines and refutations -- the whole article is insane.
    Science is out to kill us now. At the end it spouts the concluding
    lunacy: "Any climate sceptics left are frauds or fools".
    Strange ideas from zealots are not necessarily science, Willy Nilly.

    Many predictions are made that we will die from pollution. But a new
    menace has appeared, not predicted in the literature -- we may instead
    die from the idiotic actions of our pestilent priests of "science",
    reacting to hysterical visions where no actual problem exists.
    Science comes to prove or disprove conjectures - hysterical visions
    are not science, and may never become science. But we do know that ______________________________ : End of Extract.


    How about India Bourke?

    Bill.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 18 21:11:45 2023
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 08:03:25 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Science comes to prove or disprove conjectures

    Science cannot "prove" conjectures -- it can only disprove them. As
    Einstein said, "If I were wrong, one (disproof) would be enough."
    This is why the notion of scientific "consensus" is not science,
    especially when disagreeing scientists are censored.

    You are off topic as well as being plain wrong. There are plenty of
    conjectures that can be proved by science - think of DNA evidence that
    may prove that an individual was at a crime scene . . .

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Oct 18 08:03:25 2023
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Science comes to prove or disprove conjectures

    Science cannot "prove" conjectures -- it can only disprove them. As
    Einstein said, "If I were wrong, one (disproof) would be enough."
    This is why the notion of scientific "consensus" is not science,
    especially when disagreeing scientists are censored.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Oct 19 02:14:15 2023
    On 2023-10-18, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 08:03:25 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Science comes to prove or disprove conjectures

    Science cannot "prove" conjectures -- it can only disprove them. As >>Einstein said, "If I were wrong, one (disproof) would be enough."
    This is why the notion of scientific "consensus" is not science,
    especially when disagreeing scientists are censored.

    You are off topic as well as being plain wrong. There are plenty of conjectures that can be proved by science - think of DNA evidence that
    may prove that an individual was at a crime scene . . .

    If there is DNA at the crime scene than can be comapred to the alleged
    person. The odds of it being from a diffrent person are given a 1 in x
    chance.

    The jury says that 1 in a billion chance is good enough.

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 19 00:10:42 2023
    On Wednesday, 18 October 2023 at 21:12:27 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 08:03:25 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Science comes to prove or disprove conjectures

    Science cannot "prove" conjectures -- it can only disprove them. As >Einstein said, "If I were wrong, one (disproof) would be enough."
    This is why the notion of scientific "consensus" is not science,
    especially when disagreeing scientists are censored.
    You are off topic as well as being plain wrong. There are plenty of conjectures that can be proved by science - think of DNA evidence that
    may prove that an individual was at a crime scene . . .

    It only proves that a sample of material that came from someone was found at the crime scene.

    Unsurprising to see such BS from Dickbot. He supports that twat Andrew Little who wanted to remove the burden of proof in sex assault cases.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 20 08:59:50 2023
    On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 00:10:42 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, 18 October 2023 at 21:12:27 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 08:03:25 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Science comes to prove or disprove conjectures

    Science cannot "prove" conjectures -- it can only disprove them. As
    Einstein said, "If I were wrong, one (disproof) would be enough."
    This is why the notion of scientific "consensus" is not science,
    especially when disagreeing scientists are censored.
    You are off topic as well as being plain wrong. There are plenty of
    conjectures that can be proved by science - think of DNA evidence that
    may prove that an individual was at a crime scene . . .

    It only proves that a sample of material that came from someone was found at the crime scene.
    And that can be sufficient to secure a conviction in many cases.

    Unsurprising to see such BS from Dickbot.
    You do see your own failings in everyone else, JohnO.

    He supports that twat Andrew Little who wanted to remove the burden of proof in sex assault cases.
    Andrew Little did not want to remove the burden of proof - you are
    just trying to distract from your own failings by total bullshit
    statements. Not good enough, JohnO.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Oct 19 20:08:12 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 00:10:42 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wednesday, 18 October 2023 at 21:12:27 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 08:03:25 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Science comes to prove or disprove conjectures

    Science cannot "prove" conjectures -- it can only disprove them. As
    Einstein said, "If I were wrong, one (disproof) would be enough."
    This is why the notion of scientific "consensus" is not science,
    especially when disagreeing scientists are censored.
    You are off topic as well as being plain wrong. There are plenty of
    conjectures that can be proved by science - think of DNA evidence that
    may prove that an individual was at a crime scene . . .

    It only proves that a sample of material that came from someone was found at >>the crime scene.
    And that can be sufficient to secure a conviction in many cases.
    But does not prove anything in itself - and that is the point. Your example is bullshit and JohnO pointed it out precisely.

    Unsurprising to see such BS from Dickbot.
    You do see your own failings in everyone else, JohnO.

    He supports that twat Andrew Little who wanted to remove the burden of proof >>in sex assault cases.
    Andrew Little did not want to remove the burden of proof - you are
    just trying to distract from your own failings by total bullshit
    statements. Not good enough, JohnO.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Oct 19 20:40:08 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 20:08:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 00:10:42 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Wednesday, 18 October 2023 at 21:12:27 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 08:03:25 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Science comes to prove or disprove conjectures

    Science cannot "prove" conjectures -- it can only disprove them. As >>>>> >Einstein said, "If I were wrong, one (disproof) would be enough."
    This is why the notion of scientific "consensus" is not science,
    especially when disagreeing scientists are censored.
    You are off topic as well as being plain wrong. There are plenty of
    conjectures that can be proved by science - think of DNA evidence that >>>>> may prove that an individual was at a crime scene . . .

    It only proves that a sample of material that came from someone was found >>>>at
    the crime scene.
    And that can be sufficient to secure a conviction in many cases.
    But does not prove anything in itself - and that is the point. Your example >>is
    bullshit and JohnO pointed it out precisely.

    Are you trying to claim that DNA evidence should not be regarded as
    reliable evidence in a court case, Tony?
    No you idiot, I am not. But you stated "DNA evidence (that)
    may prove that an individual was at a crime scene" In fact that is wrong - it proves nothing of the sort - ever!. It may indicate, it may suggest, it may surmise but it never, ever
    "proves" anything. And that is the point, not your bulllshit.
    Absolute proof, in both
    court cases and in science, is very rare; the burden of proof is
    beyond reasonable doubt, as in "It is beyond reasonable doubt that
    Tony is often wrong."
    And one day you might demonstrate that but as of today you have failed to do so. Meanwhile do grow up and stop your childish hissy fits - the election is over and the bad guys got smashed as they deserved - end of story. A new day dawns.


    Unsurprising to see such BS from Dickbot.
    You do see your own failings in everyone else, JohnO.

    He supports that twat Andrew Little who wanted to remove the burden of >>>>proof
    in sex assault cases.
    Andrew Little did not want to remove the burden of proof - you are
    just trying to distract from your own failings by total bullshit >>>statements. Not good enough, JohnO.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Oct 20 09:20:32 2023
    On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 20:08:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 00:10:42 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Wednesday, 18 October 2023 at 21:12:27 UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 08:03:25 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
    wrote:
    On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Science comes to prove or disprove conjectures

    Science cannot "prove" conjectures -- it can only disprove them. As
    Einstein said, "If I were wrong, one (disproof) would be enough."
    This is why the notion of scientific "consensus" is not science,
    especially when disagreeing scientists are censored.
    You are off topic as well as being plain wrong. There are plenty of
    conjectures that can be proved by science - think of DNA evidence that >>>> may prove that an individual was at a crime scene . . .

    It only proves that a sample of material that came from someone was found at >>>the crime scene.
    And that can be sufficient to secure a conviction in many cases.
    But does not prove anything in itself - and that is the point. Your example is >bullshit and JohnO pointed it out precisely.

    Are you trying to claim that DNA evidence should not be regarded as
    reliable evidence in a court case, Tony? Absolute proof, in both
    court cases and in science, is very rare; the burden of proof is
    beyond reasonable doubt, as in "It is beyond reasonable doubt that
    Tony is often wrong."


    Unsurprising to see such BS from Dickbot.
    You do see your own failings in everyone else, JohnO.

    He supports that twat Andrew Little who wanted to remove the burden of proof >>>in sex assault cases.
    Andrew Little did not want to remove the burden of proof - you are
    just trying to distract from your own failings by total bullshit >>statements. Not good enough, JohnO.

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