• A change of Government

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 15 08:17:53 2023
    So we will most likely have a National/ACT Government after the
    special votes are counted. I believe we are genuinely headed in a new
    and positive direction with National and it is to be hoped that they
    follow through particularly with the repeal of Labour's Water reforms legislation. There is a genuine need for local bodies to be given new
    tools to deal with maintenance and improvement of water assets.

    While I am disappointed to see NZF back in Parliament, at least
    National and ACT can govern alone pending final results. It
    disappoints me greatly that NZF has won over 5% party-vote support
    given that they are one man's vanity party, but at least they are not kingmakers.

    I thought Hipkins concession speech was OK - he may well have done
    better without the legacy he inherited and may well steer Labour in a
    more centrist direction if he remains leader.

    Luxon's performance was good enough but remembering he is a first-term
    MP he has done very well.

    So we have turned a corner of change.


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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Crash on Sat Oct 14 19:37:30 2023
    On Sun, 15 Oct 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    So we will most likely have a National/ACT Government after the
    special votes are counted.

    Nah, Greens will pick up another seat from the greenies in Europe --
    they do this every election. So National/ACT will slip below 50%.

    It disappoints me greatly that NZF has won over 5% party-vote
    support given that they are one man's vanity party, but at least
    they are not kingmakers.

    The kingmaker cometh, but his policies are ones you agree with, for
    example he will stop fluoridation, so I don't know why you are crying
    in your whiskey.

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  • From James Christophers@21:1/5 to Crash on Sat Oct 14 19:04:07 2023
    On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 8:17:47 AM UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    So we will most likely have a National/ACT Government after the
    special votes are counted. I believe we are genuinely headed in a new
    and positive direction with National and it is to be hoped that they
    follow through particularly with the repeal of Labour's Water reforms legislation. There is a genuine need for local bodies to be given new
    tools to deal with maintenance and improvement of water assets.

    While I am disappointed to see NZF back in Parliament, at least
    National and ACT can govern alone pending final results. It
    disappoints me greatly that NZF has won over 5% party-vote support
    given that they are one man's vanity party, but at least they are not kingmakers.

    I think you can expect the "tone" and ambience of Parliament to become more combative than is usually the case.

    I thought Hipkins concession speech was OK - he may well have done
    better without the legacy he inherited and may well steer Labour in a
    more centrist direction if he remains leader.


    Luxon's performance was good enough but remembering he is a first-term
    MP he has done very well.

    So we have turned a corner of change.


    Err...from what to what, exactly?

    The economy is staunchly stagnant and has been for decades, this caused and largely characterised by New Zealand's parasitic zero-productivity sector whose damaging wealth-extracting practices are indulged and soothed by every National government that
    happens along.

    Until this corrosive and socially divisive self-harming is ended once and for all, with each individual income earner earning their keep, both our international indebtedness and the books will remain irredeemably in the red, with a forever hogtied
    economy unable to improve in any tangible and/or beneficial way.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to jmschristophers@gmail.com on Mon Oct 16 18:09:01 2023
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 19:04:07 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 8:17:47?AM UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    So we will most likely have a National/ACT Government after the
    special votes are counted. I believe we are genuinely headed in a new
    and positive direction with National and it is to be hoped that they
    follow through particularly with the repeal of Labour's Water reforms
    legislation. There is a genuine need for local bodies to be given new
    tools to deal with maintenance and improvement of water assets.

    While I am disappointed to see NZF back in Parliament, at least
    National and ACT can govern alone pending final results. It
    disappoints me greatly that NZF has won over 5% party-vote support
    given that they are one man's vanity party, but at least they are not
    kingmakers.

    I think you can expect the "tone" and ambience of Parliament to become more combative than is usually the case.

    Parliament has always been 'combative'. Do you not recall the
    Parliaments of old - under PMs such as Clark, Bolger, Lange and
    Muldoon in particular and TV coverage in the house has meant that the
    antics of the pre-TV-radio years have been toned down considerably.


    I thought Hipkins concession speech was OK - he may well have done
    better without the legacy he inherited and may well steer Labour in a
    more centrist direction if he remains leader.


    Luxon's performance was good enough but remembering he is a first-term
    MP he has done very well.

    So we have turned a corner of change.


    Err...from what to what, exactly?

    The economy is staunchly stagnant and has been for decades, this caused and largely characterised by New Zealand's parasitic zero-productivity sector whose damaging wealth-extracting practices are indulged and soothed by every National government that
    happens along.

    Until this corrosive and socially divisive self-harming is ended once and for all, with each individual income earner earning their keep, both our international indebtedness and the books will remain irredeemably in the red, with a forever hogtied
    economy unable to improve in any tangible and/or beneficial way.

    That's your viewpoint. I don't share it.


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  • From James Christophers@21:1/5 to Crash on Sun Oct 15 22:43:11 2023
    On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 6:08:55 PM UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Oct 2023 19:04:07 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, October 15, 2023 at 8:17:47?AM UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    So we will most likely have a National/ACT Government after the
    special votes are counted. I believe we are genuinely headed in a new
    and positive direction with National and it is to be hoped that they
    follow through particularly with the repeal of Labour's Water reforms
    legislation. There is a genuine need for local bodies to be given new
    tools to deal with maintenance and improvement of water assets.

    While I am disappointed to see NZF back in Parliament, at least
    National and ACT can govern alone pending final results. It
    disappoints me greatly that NZF has won over 5% party-vote support
    given that they are one man's vanity party, but at least they are not
    kingmakers.

    I think you can expect the "tone" and ambience of Parliament to become more combative than is usually the case.
    Parliament has always been 'combative'. Do you not recall the
    Parliaments of old - under PMs such as Clark, Bolger, Lange and
    Muldoon in particular and TV coverage in the house has meant that the
    antics of the pre-TV-radio years have been toned down considerably.

    I thought Hipkins concession speech was OK - he may well have done
    better without the legacy he inherited and may well steer Labour in a
    more centrist direction if he remains leader.


    Luxon's performance was good enough but remembering he is a first-term
    MP he has done very well.

    So we have turned a corner of change.


    Err...from what to what, exactly?

    The economy is staunchly stagnant and has been for decades, this caused and largely characterised by New Zealand's parasitic zero-productivity sector whose damaging wealth-extracting practices are indulged and soothed by every National government that
    happens along.

    Until this corrosive and socially divisive self-harming is ended once and for all, with each individual income earner earning their keep, both our international indebtedness and the books will remain irredeemably in the red, with a forever hogtied
    economy unable to improve in any tangible and/or beneficial way.
    That's your viewpoint. I don't share it.

    Good.

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