• Re: Will National force a resignation?

    From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Oct 12 22:28:05 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list,
    and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat
    in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National
    just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for
    anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they won't do that, they are not that shallow.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Oct 13 11:32:49 2023
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list,
    and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat
    in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National
    just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for
    anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught? https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 13 11:23:53 2023
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list,
    and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat
    in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National
    just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for
    anyone else . . .

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  • From greybeard@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 13 13:05:38 2023
    On 13/10/23 11:32, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list,
    and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat
    in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National
    just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for
    anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught? https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html


    Remind me. Is Bayly a Minister, and what portfolio does he hold?
    Where is the breach of the Cabinet Manual?
    When will Wood (former Minister of Transport) resign?

    With (unlikely) hope the electors of Roskill will throw this plonker out.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 13 13:25:34 2023
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:05:38 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 13/10/23 11:32, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list,
    and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>>> in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National
    just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for
    anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught?
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html


    Remind me. Is Bayly a Minister, and what portfolio does he hold?
    Where is the breach of the Cabinet Manual?
    When will Wood (former Minister of Transport) resign?

    With (unlikely) hope the electors of Roskill will throw this plonker out.

    Wood is not standing again for Mt Roskill - given that Bayly is guilty
    of the same offence as Wood, he should not be a candidate at the
    By-election for the Port Waikato electorate to be held after the 2023
    Election. He is No 15 on the National Party List; if he resigns
    immediately he will almost certainly be replaced by another National
    Party List candidate.

    For National to leave him there would be confirmation that they
    condone actions that they condemned when Michael Wood was found to
    have offended against disclosure requirements.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Oct 13 02:24:53 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list,
    and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat
    in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National
    just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for
    anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they >>won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught? >https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html
    A wrong view - no real evidence.
    I thought I was "dead" to you - I am heartbroken to have been resurrected. You have no commitment other than to lies and sarcasm.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to greybeard on Fri Oct 13 03:00:19 2023
    On 2023-10-13, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/10/23 11:32, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list,
    and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>>> in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National
    just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for
    anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught?
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html


    Remind me. Is Bayly a Minister, and what portfolio does he hold?
    Where is the breach of the Cabinet Manual?

    The public are not impressed by shady activities of the elected people.
    There needs to be a requirement that all MPs declare there possible conflict
    of interests.




    When will Wood (former Minister of Transport) resign?

    With (unlikely) hope the electors of Roskill will throw this plonker out.






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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Oct 13 02:26:41 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:05:38 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 13/10/23 11:32, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list, >>>>> and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>>>> in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National
    just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for
    anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they >>>>won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught?
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html >>

    Remind me. Is Bayly a Minister, and what portfolio does he hold?
    Where is the breach of the Cabinet Manual?
    When will Wood (former Minister of Transport) resign?

    With (unlikely) hope the electors of Roskill will throw this plonker out.

    Wood is not standing again for Mt Roskill - given that Bayly is guilty
    of the same offence as Wood, he should not be a candidate at the
    By-election for the Port Waikato electorate to be held after the 2023 >Election. He is No 15 on the National Party List; if he resigns
    immediately he will almost certainly be replaced by another National
    Party List candidate.

    For National to leave him there would be confirmation that they
    condone actions that they condemned when Michael Wood was found to
    have offended against disclosure requirements.
    It would show nothing of the sort. Does Innocent until proven guilty ring one of your tiny bells?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Oct 13 16:30:50 2023
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:26:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:05:38 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>wrote:

    On 13/10/23 11:32, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list, >>>>>> and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>>>>> in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National >>>>>> just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for >>>>>> anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they >>>>>won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught?
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html


    Remind me. Is Bayly a Minister, and what portfolio does he hold?
    Where is the breach of the Cabinet Manual?
    When will Wood (former Minister of Transport) resign?

    With (unlikely) hope the electors of Roskill will throw this plonker out.

    Wood is not standing again for Mt Roskill - given that Bayly is guilty
    of the same offence as Wood, he should not be a candidate at the >>By-election for the Port Waikato electorate to be held after the 2023 >>Election. He is No 15 on the National Party List; if he resigns >>immediately he will almost certainly be replaced by another National
    Party List candidate.

    For National to leave him there would be confirmation that they
    condone actions that they condemned when Michael Wood was found to
    have offended against disclosure requirements.
    It would show nothing of the sort. Does Innocent until proven guilty ring one >of your tiny bells?

    From the url above:
    "Last night Andrew Bayly, who had been a strong critic of former
    Cabinet minister Michael Wood failing to disclose shares, insisted he
    had no obligation to disclose his own shares – because they're held in
    his family trust, the Paparangi Trust.

    That's moot: MPs on Parliament's privileges committee say they
    shouldn't have to disclose non-property assets held in trust, but the
    Registrar of Pecuniary Interests Sir Maarten Wevers says they do have
    to. Even after Wevers confirmed that view earlier this year, and other
    MPs updated the register, Bayly made no move to disclose his SiteSoft
    shares.

    It was the discovery that Michael Wood had shares held in a family
    trust that was the final straw in the Prime Minister demanding his
    resignation.

    In the month leading up to that discovery, Bayly had been scathing.
    Speaking in the House on June 6 to oppose Wood's changes to the Health
    and Safety at Work Act, Bayly alluded to Wood's undisclosed
    shareholding.

    Wood was "a casualty of workplace accidents", he told Parliament. "And
    no wonder Michael Wood is pushing it through, because, of course, he
    is known to have very strong ties to certain organisations that will
    want to bring about these sorts of changes, and, personally, I don't
    think for the better." "

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Oct 13 16:49:21 2023
    On 13 Oct 2023 03:00:19 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-10-13, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/10/23 11:32, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list, >>>>> and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>>>> in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National
    just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for
    anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught?
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html >>

    Remind me. Is Bayly a Minister, and what portfolio does he hold?
    Where is the breach of the Cabinet Manual?

    The public are not impressed by shady activities of the elected people.
    There needs to be a requirement that all MPs declare there possible conflict >of interests.

    There is - and one of the MPs that called so strongly for a Labour
    Minister to go has now been found to have offended himself with a
    larger investment, and five other trusts which may contain other
    offences. Thus far, National have not made any statement about the
    revelations - it will be interesting to see if they will ask him to
    not stand for election as the local MP - we may never know if they
    would have asked him to resign had a by-election not been needed.


    When will Wood (former Minister of Transport) resign?

    With (unlikely) hope the electors of Roskill will throw this plonker out.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Oct 13 16:31:48 2023
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list, >>>>and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>>>in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National >>>>just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for >>>>anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they >>>won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will >>National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught? >>https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html >A wrong view - no real evidence.
    Read the article.

    I thought I was "dead" to you - I am heartbroken to have been resurrected. You >have no commitment other than to lies and sarcasm.

    You are a twonk, but it is desirable that your lies be refuted.

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  • From greybeard@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 13 16:30:39 2023
    On 13/10/23 13:25, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:05:38 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 13/10/23 11:32, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list, >>>>> and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>>>> in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National
    just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for
    anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught?
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html >>

    Remind me. Is Bayly a Minister, and what portfolio does he hold?
    Where is the breach of the Cabinet Manual?
    When will Wood (former Minister of Transport) resign?

    With (unlikely) hope the electors of Roskill will throw this plonker out.

    Wood is not standing again for Mt Roskill - given that Bayly is guilty
    of the same offence as Wood, he should not be a candidate at the
    By-election for the Port Waikato electorate to be held after the 2023 Election. He is No 15 on the National Party List; if he resigns
    immediately he will almost certainly be replaced by another National
    Party List candidate.

    For National to leave him there would be confirmation that they
    condone actions that they condemned when Michael Wood was found to
    have offended against disclosure requirements.

    Another lie from you. Too easy to check those standing in Roskill

    https://vote.nz/2023-general-election/about/2023-general-election/electorate-candidates/?ElectorateType=General+electorates&Electorate=Mt+Roskill&action_filter=View+candidates

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Oct 13 04:26:37 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 13 Oct 2023 03:00:19 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-10-13, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/10/23 11:32, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list, >>>>>> and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>>>>> in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National >>>>>> just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for >>>>>> anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they >>>>>won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught?
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html


    Remind me. Is Bayly a Minister, and what portfolio does he hold?
    Where is the breach of the Cabinet Manual?

    The public are not impressed by shady activities of the elected people. >>There needs to be a requirement that all MPs declare there possible conflict >>of interests.

    There is - and one of the MPs that called so strongly for a Labour
    Minister to go has now been found to have offended himself with a
    larger investment, and five other trusts which may contain other
    offences. Thus far, National have not made any statement about the >revelations - it will be interesting to see if they will ask him to
    not stand for election as the local MP - we may never know if they
    would have asked him to resign had a by-election not been needed.
    Pointless rhetoric.


    When will Wood (former Minister of Transport) resign?

    With (unlikely) hope the electors of Roskill will throw this plonker out.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Oct 13 04:27:40 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:26:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:05:38 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>>wrote:

    On 13/10/23 11:32, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list, >>>>>>> and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>>>>>> in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National >>>>>>> just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for >>>>>>> anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but >>>>>>they
    won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught?
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html


    Remind me. Is Bayly a Minister, and what portfolio does he hold?
    Where is the breach of the Cabinet Manual?
    When will Wood (former Minister of Transport) resign?

    With (unlikely) hope the electors of Roskill will throw this plonker out. >>>
    Wood is not standing again for Mt Roskill - given that Bayly is guilty
    of the same offence as Wood, he should not be a candidate at the >>>By-election for the Port Waikato electorate to be held after the 2023 >>>Election. He is No 15 on the National Party List; if he resigns >>>immediately he will almost certainly be replaced by another National >>>Party List candidate.

    For National to leave him there would be confirmation that they
    condone actions that they condemned when Michael Wood was found to
    have offended against disclosure requirements.
    It would show nothing of the sort. Does Innocent until proven guilty ring one >>of your tiny bells?

    From the url above:
    "Last night Andrew Bayly, who had been a strong critic of former
    Cabinet minister Michael Wood failing to disclose shares, insisted he
    had no obligation to disclose his own shares – because they're held in
    his family trust, the Paparangi Trust.
    Exactly thank you for proving my point.

    That's moot: MPs on Parliament's privileges committee say they
    shouldn't have to disclose non-property assets held in trust, but the >Registrar of Pecuniary Interests Sir Maarten Wevers says they do have
    to. Even after Wevers confirmed that view earlier this year, and other
    MPs updated the register, Bayly made no move to disclose his SiteSoft
    shares.

    It was the discovery that Michael Wood had shares held in a family
    trust that was the final straw in the Prime Minister demanding his >resignation.

    In the month leading up to that discovery, Bayly had been scathing.
    Speaking in the House on June 6 to oppose Wood's changes to the Health
    and Safety at Work Act, Bayly alluded to Wood's undisclosed
    shareholding.

    Wood was "a casualty of workplace accidents", he told Parliament. "And
    no wonder Michael Wood is pushing it through, because, of course, he
    is known to have very strong ties to certain organisations that will
    want to bring about these sorts of changes, and, personally, I don't
    think for the better." "

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Oct 13 04:29:02 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 02:24:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this >>>>>candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list, >>>>>and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>>>>in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National >>>>>just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for >>>>>anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they >>>>won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will >>>National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught? >>>https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html >>A wrong view - no real evidence.
    Read the article.
    I did, mere conjecture. No proof.

    I thought I was "dead" to you - I am heartbroken to have been resurrected. >>You
    have no commitment other than to lies and sarcasm.

    You are a twonk, but it is desirable that your lies be refuted.
    No lies from me - from you of course there are lies - it is almost all you have. That and sarcasm.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 13 17:29:45 2023
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 16:30:39 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 13/10/23 13:25, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:05:38 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 13/10/23 11:32, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list, >>>>>> and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>>>>> in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National >>>>>> just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for >>>>>> anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught?
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html


    Remind me. Is Bayly a Minister, and what portfolio does he hold?
    Where is the breach of the Cabinet Manual?
    When will Wood (former Minister of Transport) resign?

    With (unlikely) hope the electors of Roskill will throw this plonker out. >>
    Wood is not standing again for Mt Roskill - given that Bayly is guilty
    of the same offence as Wood, he should not be a candidate at the
    By-election for the Port Waikato electorate to be held after the 2023
    Election. He is No 15 on the National Party List; if he resigns
    immediately he will almost certainly be replaced by another National
    Party List candidate.

    For National to leave him there would be confirmation that they
    condone actions that they condemned when Michael Wood was found to
    have offended against disclosure requirements.

    Another lie from you. Too easy to check those standing in Roskill

    https://vote.nz/2023-general-election/about/2023-general-election/electorate-candidates/?ElectorateType=General+electorates&Electorate=Mt+Roskill&action_filter=View+candidates

    Thanks greybeard - I do apologise; I had thought he was not standing
    again.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Oct 13 04:43:11 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 16:30:39 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 13/10/23 13:25, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:05:38 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 13/10/23 11:32, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list, >>>>>>> and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>>>>>> in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National >>>>>>> just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for >>>>>>> anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but >>>>>>they won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.

    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught?
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html


    Remind me. Is Bayly a Minister, and what portfolio does he hold?
    Where is the breach of the Cabinet Manual?
    When will Wood (former Minister of Transport) resign?

    With (unlikely) hope the electors of Roskill will throw this plonker out. >>>
    Wood is not standing again for Mt Roskill - given that Bayly is guilty
    of the same offence as Wood, he should not be a candidate at the
    By-election for the Port Waikato electorate to be held after the 2023
    Election. He is No 15 on the National Party List; if he resigns
    immediately he will almost certainly be replaced by another National
    Party List candidate.

    For National to leave him there would be confirmation that they
    condone actions that they condemned when Michael Wood was found to
    have offended against disclosure requirements.

    Another lie from you. Too easy to check those standing in Roskill
    https://vote.nz/2023-general-election/about/2023-general-election/electorate-candidates/?ElectorateType=General+electorates&Electorate=Mt+Roskill&action_filter=View+candidates

    Thanks greybeard - I do apologise; I had thought he was not standing
    again.
    As usual you guessed or hoped the lie would not be noticed.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 12 21:23:58 2023
    On Friday, October 13, 2023 at 11:32:56 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 22:28:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/national-mp-in-key-seat-didnt-disclose-big-shareholding

    Oh the hypocrisy! If Luxon is to be taken at this word, this
    candidate should be required to resign if he is elected to the list,
    and National should remove his endorsement as a candidate for the seat >>in any by-election. But the big question there is whether National
    just continues with one law for themselves and other standards for >>anyone else . . .
    Not a continuation, if they did that it would be copying Labour, but they won't
    do that, they are not that shallow.
    Here is another view, with news that Bayly has _five_ Trusts - will
    National apply their calls for Michael Wood to resign when one of
    their own is caught? https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/10/we-cant-trust-mps-with-trusts.html
    It would have been better if you had provided a less biased cite Rich. It'd also have helped your cause if Wood hadn't needed was it twelve reminders to sell his shares? If this guy repeats Wood's actions you'll have something to bitch about. Until then.
    you, Newsroom, norightturn are just trying to compare apples with oranges...

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