• So the mandates applied to everyone?

    From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 03:43:14 2023
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral government they are!
    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to John Bowes on Wed Oct 4 20:22:00 2023
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral government they are!
    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more

    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" the
    info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Oct 5 13:46:10 2023
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral >>>government they are!
    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more
    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" the >>info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable. There >can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the deliberate >hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now.

    Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about
    the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy
    some do forget . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Oct 5 00:31:00 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral >>government they are!
    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more

    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" the
    info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable. There can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the deliberate hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 4 18:05:59 2023
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral >>>government they are!
    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more
    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" the >>info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable. There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the deliberate >hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now.
    Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about
    the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy
    some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a gag order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked rough shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you are Rich! They're not fit to
    govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a total of 478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted, covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Oct 5 02:09:51 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral >>>>government they are!
    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more
    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" the >>>info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable. >>There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the deliberate >>hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now.

    Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about
    the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy
    some do forget . . .
    Don't be pathetic. The knowledge that thousands of people were expemted and hundreds of people in the health services included was never published.
    The ability to apply is off topic, not part of the thread but you have to add it don't you?
    The rest of your post is plain off topic.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed Oct 4 21:07:02 2023
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 4:37:23 PM UTC+13, Gordon wrote:
    On 2023-10-05, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral
    government they are!

    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more

    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" the
    info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable. There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the deliberate
    hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now. >> Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about
    the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy
    some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a gag order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked rough shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you are Rich! They're not fit to
    govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a total of 478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted, covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "
    Let us not forget that this came to light via an Official Informantion request. It was not in the public domain until now.

    Which Government gives out gaging orders? The Labour Government. Free Speech was not allowed. They would like us to forget.
    Much like Rich, Labour and the left are only happy with free speech that repeats the bullshit they spout! Typical of left wing imbeciles everywhere!

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to John Bowes on Thu Oct 5 03:37:20 2023
    On 2023-10-05, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral
    government they are!

    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more

    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" the >> >>info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable. There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the deliberate >> >hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now.
    Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about
    the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy
    some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a gag order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked rough shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you are Rich! They're not fit to
    govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a total of 478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted, covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "

    Let us not forget that this came to light via an Official Informantion
    request. It was not in the public domain until now.

    Which Government gives out gaging orders? The Labour Government. Free Speech was not allowed. They would like us to forget.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Oct 5 05:50:58 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-05, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral
    government they are!


    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more


    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" the >>> >>info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable. >>> >There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the deliberate >>> >hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now. >>> Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about
    the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy
    some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a gag >>order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked rough >>shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you are >>Rich! They're not fit to govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless >>imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a total of >>478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted, >>covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "

    Let us not forget that this came to light via an Official Informantion >request. It was not in the public domain until now.
    Exactly - disgraceful!

    Which Government gives out gaging orders? The Labour Government. Free Speech >was not allowed. They would like us to forget.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Oct 5 21:58:51 2023
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 05:50:58 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-05, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral >>>> >>>government they are!


    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more


    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" the >>>> >>info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable. >>>> >There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the deliberate >>>> >hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now. >>>> Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about
    the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy >>>> some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a gag >>>order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked rough >>>shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you are >>>Rich! They're not fit to govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless >>>imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a total of
    478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted, >>>covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "

    Let us not forget that this came to light via an Official Informantion >>request. It was not in the public domain until now.
    Exactly - disgraceful!

    Which Government gives out gaging orders? The Labour Government. Free Speech >>was not allowed. They would like us to forget.

    I am not aware of any gaging orders or even gagging orders - do either
    of you have any reference to such a thing during Covid? I think you
    are lying - I simply do not believe you. Prove me wrong if you can . .

    What we did have was a lot of people that wanted to work while their
    normal employer could not use them - that included some government
    departments as well as many companies. The government needed people to
    work from home on things like tracking connections when an infection
    was identified - a job that arose very quickly. There would have been
    quite a few other circumstances where companies would have encouraged
    some people in similar circumstances to work from home.

    Coupled with that some people did not want to have vaccinations in the
    early stages due to other medical conditions - during that time I
    doubt there were 11,000 anti vax nutters, but there were some
    legitimate reasons why they may have been advised to wait in isolation
    - some may have waited for quite some time before getting vaccinated,
    but from that time fully supported the vaccine and kept up to date. No limitations were placed on free speech, but provided someone was
    isolating and not putting others at risk then why not grant an
    exemption?

    As for not having published the data, the reality is that they were
    incredibly busy, and probably nobody had asked for the data. One it
    was asked for, they recognised that it may be of interest to others so voluntarily made the information public - that is hardly consistent
    with keeping it secret.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 02:52:14 2023
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:58:20 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 05:50:58 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-05, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral >>>> >>>government they are!


    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more


    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" the
    info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable.
    There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the deliberate
    hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now.
    Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about >>>> the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy >>>> some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a gag
    order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked rough
    shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you are
    Rich! They're not fit to govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless >>>imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a total of
    478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted, >>>covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "

    Let us not forget that this came to light via an Official Informantion >>request. It was not in the public domain until now.
    Exactly - disgraceful!

    Which Government gives out gaging orders? The Labour Government. Free Speech
    was not allowed. They would like us to forget.
    I am not aware of any gaging orders or even gagging orders - do either
    of you have any reference to such a thing during Covid? I think you
    are lying - I simply do not believe you. Prove me wrong if you can . .

    Here you go Rich. Have a dead rat to swallow! https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/ Now try and prove it never happened if you can!


    What we did have was a lot of people that wanted to work while their
    normal employer could not use them - that included some government departments as well as many companies. The government needed people to
    work from home on things like tracking connections when an infection
    was identified - a job that arose very quickly. There would have been
    quite a few other circumstances where companies would have encouraged
    some people in similar circumstances to work from home.

    What we have here is a pos trying to cover up yet another dictatorial and possibly illegal practice by his useless fucking Labour party!


    Coupled with that some people did not want to have vaccinations in the
    early stages due to other medical conditions - during that time I
    doubt there were 11,000 anti vax nutters, but there were some
    legitimate reasons why they may have been advised to wait in isolation
    - some may have waited for quite some time before getting vaccinated,
    but from that time fully supported the vaccine and kept up to date. No limitations were placed on free speech, but provided someone was
    isolating and not putting others at risk then why not grant an
    exemption?

    Coupled with another load of bullshit in a desperate bid to salve his own guilty consience!

    As for not having published the data, the reality is that they were incredibly busy, and probably nobody had asked for the data. One it
    was asked for, they recognised that it may be of interest to others so voluntarily made the information public - that is hardly consistent
    with keeping it secret.

    It only came to light because somebody a lot smarter than you can ever hope to be put in an oia and exposed Labours duplicity!
    Now either prove this never happened or crawl back under your rock with the other slugs Rich!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Thu Oct 5 23:08:25 2023
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 02:52:14 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:58:20?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 05:50:58 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-05, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral >> >>>> >>>government they are!


    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more


    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" the
    info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable.
    There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the deliberate
    hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now.
    Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about
    the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy >> >>>> some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a gag
    order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked rough
    shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you are
    Rich! They're not fit to govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless >> >>>imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a total of
    478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted, >> >>>covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "

    Let us not forget that this came to light via an Official Informantion
    request. It was not in the public domain until now.
    Exactly - disgraceful!

    Which Government gives out gaging orders? The Labour Government. Free Speech
    was not allowed. They would like us to forget.
    I am not aware of any gaging orders or even gagging orders - do either
    of you have any reference to such a thing during Covid? I think you
    are lying - I simply do not believe you. Prove me wrong if you can . .

    Here you go Rich. Have a dead rat to swallow! https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/ Now try and prove it never happened if you can!

    That does not show any gagging order - it shows that when asked a
    question, the government answered!




    What we did have was a lot of people that wanted to work while their
    normal employer could not use them - that included some government
    departments as well as many companies. The government needed people to
    work from home on things like tracking connections when an infection
    was identified - a job that arose very quickly. There would have been
    quite a few other circumstances where companies would have encouraged
    some people in similar circumstances to work from home.

    What we have here is a pos trying to cover up yet another dictatorial and possibly illegal practice by his useless fucking Labour party!
    Why would you be doing that? You are the only pos I am aware of.



    Coupled with that some people did not want to have vaccinations in the
    early stages due to other medical conditions - during that time I
    doubt there were 11,000 anti vax nutters, but there were some
    legitimate reasons why they may have been advised to wait in isolation
    - some may have waited for quite some time before getting vaccinated,
    but from that time fully supported the vaccine and kept up to date. No
    limitations were placed on free speech, but provided someone was
    isolating and not putting others at risk then why not grant an
    exemption?

    Coupled with another load of bullshit in a desperate bid to salve his own guilty consience!
    Are you talking to yourself now?



    As for not having published the data, the reality is that they were
    incredibly busy, and probably nobody had asked for the data. One it
    was asked for, they recognised that it may be of interest to others so
    voluntarily made the information public - that is hardly consistent
    with keeping it secret.

    It only came to light because somebody a lot smarter than you can ever hope to be put in an oia and exposed Labours duplicity!
    Now either prove this never happened or crawl back under your rock with the other slugs Rich!
    No duplicity at all - and when the figures were put together the
    people involved made it public! You have shown no duplicity other
    than your own, "pos John Bowes"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 03:50:27 2023
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 11:07:50 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 02:52:14 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 9:58:20?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 05:50:58 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-05, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >> >>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral
    government they are!


    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more


    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" the
    info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable.
    There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the deliberate
    hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now.
    Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about >> >>>> the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy
    some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a gag
    order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked rough
    shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you are
    Rich! They're not fit to govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless
    imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a total of
    478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted,
    covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "

    Let us not forget that this came to light via an Official Informantion >> >>request. It was not in the public domain until now.
    Exactly - disgraceful!

    Which Government gives out gaging orders? The Labour Government. Free Speech
    was not allowed. They would like us to forget.
    I am not aware of any gaging orders or even gagging orders - do either
    of you have any reference to such a thing during Covid? I think you
    are lying - I simply do not believe you. Prove me wrong if you can . .

    Here you go Rich. Have a dead rat to swallow! https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/ Now try and prove it never happened if you can!
    That does not show any gagging order - it shows that when asked a
    question, the government answered!

    BULLSHIT! Once again your lack of comprehension makes you look like the left leaning pos you are Rich!


    What we did have was a lot of people that wanted to work while their
    normal employer could not use them - that included some government
    departments as well as many companies. The government needed people to
    work from home on things like tracking connections when an infection
    was identified - a job that arose very quickly. There would have been
    quite a few other circumstances where companies would have encouraged
    some people in similar circumstances to work from home.

    What we have here is a pos trying to cover up yet another dictatorial and possibly illegal practice by his useless fucking Labour party!
    Why would you be doing that? You are the only pos I am aware of.
    If you want to see a real pos go look in a mirror or look at your glorious leader hipkins!


    Coupled with that some people did not want to have vaccinations in the
    early stages due to other medical conditions - during that time I
    doubt there were 11,000 anti vax nutters, but there were some
    legitimate reasons why they may have been advised to wait in isolation
    - some may have waited for quite some time before getting vaccinated,
    but from that time fully supported the vaccine and kept up to date. No
    limitations were placed on free speech, but provided someone was
    isolating and not putting others at risk then why not grant an
    exemption?

    Coupled with another load of bullshit in a desperate bid to salve his own guilty consience!
    Are you talking to yourself now?
    Rich. You can try and avoid the truth but the only person you fool is yourself!

    As for not having published the data, the reality is that they were
    incredibly busy, and probably nobody had asked for the data. One it
    was asked for, they recognised that it may be of interest to others so
    voluntarily made the information public - that is hardly consistent
    with keeping it secret.

    It only came to light because somebody a lot smarter than you can ever hope to be put in an oia and exposed Labours duplicity!
    Now either prove this never happened or crawl back under your rock with the other slugs Rich!
    No duplicity at all - and when the figures were put together the
    people involved made it public! You have shown no duplicity other
    than your own, "pos John Bowes"
    Do stop being a pos protecting yet another piece of disgusting totalitarian behaviour from the toxic Labour government! The fact you keep trying to distract from the truth only proves your a trolling pos hell bent on turning NZ into another failed
    Marxist state!
    Now be a good little pos and fuck off back under your rock or provide some legitimate proof to support your useless and highly politicized 'opinion' !

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Oct 5 20:27:49 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 05:50:58 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-05, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral >>>>> >>>government they are!



    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more



    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" >>>>> >>the
    info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable. >>>>> >There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the
    deliberate
    hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now. >>>>> Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about >>>>> the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy >>>>> some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a gag >>>>order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked rough >>>>shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you are >>>>Rich! They're not fit to govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless >>>>imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a total >>>>of
    478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted, >>>>covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "

    Let us not forget that this came to light via an Official Informantion >>>request. It was not in the public domain until now.
    Exactly - disgraceful!

    Which Government gives out gaging orders? The Labour Government. Free Speech >>>was not allowed. They would like us to forget.

    I am not aware of any gaging orders or even gagging orders - do either
    of you have any reference to such a thing during Covid? I think you
    are lying - I simply do not believe you. Prove me wrong if you can . .
    Who are you talking to?
    I did not write the comments that you appear to be addressing.
    Your use of this medium gets worse every year.

    What we did have was a lot of people that wanted to work while their
    normal employer could not use them - that included some government >departments as well as many companies. The government needed people to
    work from home on things like tracking connections when an infection
    was identified - a job that arose very quickly. There would have been
    quite a few other circumstances where companies would have encouraged
    some people in similar circumstances to work from home.

    Coupled with that some people did not want to have vaccinations in the
    early stages due to other medical conditions - during that time I
    doubt there were 11,000 anti vax nutters, but there were some
    legitimate reasons why they may have been advised to wait in isolation
    - some may have waited for quite some time before getting vaccinated,
    but from that time fully supported the vaccine and kept up to date. No >limitations were placed on free speech, but provided someone was
    isolating and not putting others at risk then why not grant an
    exemption?

    As for not having published the data, the reality is that they were >incredibly busy, and probably nobody had asked for the data. One it
    was asked for, they recognised that it may be of interest to others so >voluntarily made the information public - that is hardly consistent
    with keeping it secret.
    Apart from your deliberate and lazy method of discourse you are wrong in your later comments. 11000 people were exempted including hundreds of health department folk - that is now proven. Address that and forget the distractions.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Thu Oct 5 14:58:25 2023
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 9:27:52 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 05:50:58 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-05, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral >>>>> >>>government they are!



    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more



    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" >>>>> >>the
    info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable.
    There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the
    deliberate
    hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now.
    Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about >>>>> the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy >>>>> some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a gag
    order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked rough
    shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you are
    Rich! They're not fit to govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless
    imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a total
    of
    478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted,
    covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "

    Let us not forget that this came to light via an Official Informantion >>>request. It was not in the public domain until now.
    Exactly - disgraceful!

    Which Government gives out gaging orders? The Labour Government. Free Speech
    was not allowed. They would like us to forget.

    I am not aware of any gaging orders or even gagging orders - do either
    of you have any reference to such a thing during Covid? I think you
    are lying - I simply do not believe you. Prove me wrong if you can . .
    Who are you talking to?
    I did not write the comments that you appear to be addressing.
    Your use of this medium gets worse every year.

    What we did have was a lot of people that wanted to work while their >normal employer could not use them - that included some government >departments as well as many companies. The government needed people to >work from home on things like tracking connections when an infection
    was identified - a job that arose very quickly. There would have been >quite a few other circumstances where companies would have encouraged
    some people in similar circumstances to work from home.

    Coupled with that some people did not want to have vaccinations in the >early stages due to other medical conditions - during that time I
    doubt there were 11,000 anti vax nutters, but there were some
    legitimate reasons why they may have been advised to wait in isolation
    - some may have waited for quite some time before getting vaccinated,
    but from that time fully supported the vaccine and kept up to date. No >limitations were placed on free speech, but provided someone was
    isolating and not putting others at risk then why not grant an
    exemption?

    As for not having published the data, the reality is that they were >incredibly busy, and probably nobody had asked for the data. One it
    was asked for, they recognised that it may be of interest to others so >voluntarily made the information public - that is hardly consistent
    with keeping it secret.
    Apart from your deliberate and lazy method of discourse you are wrong in your
    later comments. 11000 people were exempted including hundreds of health department folk - that is now proven. Address that and forget the distractions.
    Just another mindless defence of the most useless and dangerous government in NZ history. So typical of the left these days and those who represent and hope to represent them in parliament!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Oct 6 11:21:28 2023
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 20:27:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 05:50:58 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-05, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral >>>>>> >>>government they are!



    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more



    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" >>>>>> >>the
    info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable.
    There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the
    deliberate
    hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now. >>>>>> Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about >>>>>> the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the
    prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy >>>>>> some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a gag >>>>>order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked rough
    shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you are
    Rich! They're not fit to govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless >>>>>imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a total >>>>>of
    478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted, >>>>>covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "

    Let us not forget that this came to light via an Official Informantion >>>>request. It was not in the public domain until now.
    Exactly - disgraceful!

    Which Government gives out gaging orders? The Labour Government. Free Speech
    was not allowed. They would like us to forget.

    I am not aware of any gaging orders or even gagging orders - do either
    of you have any reference to such a thing during Covid? I think you
    are lying - I simply do not believe you. Prove me wrong if you can . .
    Who are you talking to?
    I did not write the comments that you appear to be addressing.
    Your use of this medium gets worse every year.

    What we did have was a lot of people that wanted to work while their
    normal employer could not use them - that included some government >>departments as well as many companies. The government needed people to
    work from home on things like tracking connections when an infection
    was identified - a job that arose very quickly. There would have been
    quite a few other circumstances where companies would have encouraged
    some people in similar circumstances to work from home.

    Coupled with that some people did not want to have vaccinations in the >>early stages due to other medical conditions - during that time I
    doubt there were 11,000 anti vax nutters, but there were some
    legitimate reasons why they may have been advised to wait in isolation
    - some may have waited for quite some time before getting vaccinated,
    but from that time fully supported the vaccine and kept up to date. No >>limitations were placed on free speech, but provided someone was
    isolating and not putting others at risk then why not grant an
    exemption?

    As for not having published the data, the reality is that they were >>incredibly busy, and probably nobody had asked for the data. One it
    was asked for, they recognised that it may be of interest to others so >>voluntarily made the information public - that is hardly consistent
    with keeping it secret.
    Apart from your deliberate and lazy method of discourse you are wrong in your >later comments. 11000 people were exempted including hundreds of health >department folk - that is now proven. Address that and forget the distractions.

    I gave an example of the sort of jobs that grew quickly for a short
    time and have now largely disappeared, which were quite reasonable
    exceptions to employer mandates. You and John pos tag team each other-
    neither of you have been able to support the assertion that there had
    been a gagging order or that free speech was limited - clean up your
    own house first, Tony.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Oct 5 23:06:24 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 20:27:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 05:50:58 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-05, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral >>>>>>> >>>government they are!




    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more




    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats" >>>>>>> >>the
    info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information -
    unnaceptable.
    There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the
    deliberate
    hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now.
    Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about >>>>>>> the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the >>>>>>> prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy >>>>>>> some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a >>>>>>gag
    order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked >>>>>>rough
    shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you >>>>>>are
    Rich! They're not fit to govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless >>>>>>imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a >>>>>>total
    of
    478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted, >>>>>>covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "

    Let us not forget that this came to light via an Official Informantion >>>>>request. It was not in the public domain until now.
    Exactly - disgraceful!

    Which Government gives out gaging orders? The Labour Government. Free >>>>>Speech
    was not allowed. They would like us to forget.

    I am not aware of any gaging orders or even gagging orders - do either
    of you have any reference to such a thing during Covid? I think you
    are lying - I simply do not believe you. Prove me wrong if you can . .
    Who are you talking to?
    I did not write the comments that you appear to be addressing.
    Your use of this medium gets worse every year.

    What we did have was a lot of people that wanted to work while their >>>normal employer could not use them - that included some government >>>departments as well as many companies. The government needed people to >>>work from home on things like tracking connections when an infection
    was identified - a job that arose very quickly. There would have been >>>quite a few other circumstances where companies would have encouraged >>>some people in similar circumstances to work from home.

    Coupled with that some people did not want to have vaccinations in the >>>early stages due to other medical conditions - during that time I
    doubt there were 11,000 anti vax nutters, but there were some
    legitimate reasons why they may have been advised to wait in isolation
    - some may have waited for quite some time before getting vaccinated,
    but from that time fully supported the vaccine and kept up to date. No >>>limitations were placed on free speech, but provided someone was >>>isolating and not putting others at risk then why not grant an
    exemption?

    As for not having published the data, the reality is that they were >>>incredibly busy, and probably nobody had asked for the data. One it
    was asked for, they recognised that it may be of interest to others so >>>voluntarily made the information public - that is hardly consistent
    with keeping it secret.
    Apart from your deliberate and lazy method of discourse you are wrong in your >>later comments. 11000 people were exempted including hundreds of health >>department folk - that is now proven. Address that and forget the >>distractions.

    I gave an example of the sort of jobs that grew quickly for a short
    time and have now largely disappeared, which were quite reasonable
    exceptions to employer mandates. You and John pos tag team each other- >neither of you have been able to support the assertion that there had
    been a gagging order or that free speech was limited - clean up your
    own house first, Tony.
    I did not make that assertion you dimwit.
    Read more carefully and be careful who you are responding to.
    My house is pristine.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 15:53:05 2023
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 11:20:52 AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 20:27:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 05:50:58 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-05, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, October 5, 2023 at 1:45:34 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 5 Oct 2023 00:31:00 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-10-04, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Yeah right! What a crock! Labour lied like the secretive and feral
    government they are!



    https://fyi.org.nz/request/23284/response/88679/attach/html/4/HNZ00023978%20Response%20Letter.pdf.html

    But wait there is more



    https://hatchardreport.com/the-ministry-of-health-granted-vaccine-exemptions-to-hundreds-among-its-key-staff/

    Skip the first few paragraphs if you are in a hurry, as it "repeats"
    the
    info of the link above.

    It is hard to find words of the Governments action.
    Not for me - they deliberately withheld this information - unnaceptable.
    There
    can be no possible reason for all those exemptions and all the >>>>>> >deliberate
    hiding of the facts. There should be people on their way to prison now.
    Not deliberately withheld at all. There was a lot of publicity about >>>>>> the ability to seek an exemption, but possibly even more for the >>>>>> prosecution of a "doctor" giving fake exemption certificates. How easy
    some do forget . . .
    Stop talking fucking shit! Those who got the dispensations also got a gag
    order you pos!!! YOUR useless and dangerous fucking government walked rough
    shod over common decency and prove they're even more deceptive than you are
    Rich! They're not fit to govern!!!
    So tell me Rich. What does this from the oia mean to a comprehensionless
    imbecile like you?! :" From 13 November 2021 to 26 September 2022, a total
    of
    478 applications for Significant Service
    Disruption exemption (SSD) were received. 103 applications were granted,
    covering approximately
    11,005 workers. "

    Let us not forget that this came to light via an Official Informantion >>>>request. It was not in the public domain until now.
    Exactly - disgraceful!

    Which Government gives out gaging orders? The Labour Government. Free Speech
    was not allowed. They would like us to forget.

    I am not aware of any gaging orders or even gagging orders - do either >>of you have any reference to such a thing during Covid? I think you
    are lying - I simply do not believe you. Prove me wrong if you can . . >Who are you talking to?
    I did not write the comments that you appear to be addressing.
    Your use of this medium gets worse every year.

    What we did have was a lot of people that wanted to work while their >>normal employer could not use them - that included some government >>departments as well as many companies. The government needed people to >>work from home on things like tracking connections when an infection
    was identified - a job that arose very quickly. There would have been >>quite a few other circumstances where companies would have encouraged >>some people in similar circumstances to work from home.

    Coupled with that some people did not want to have vaccinations in the >>early stages due to other medical conditions - during that time I
    doubt there were 11,000 anti vax nutters, but there were some
    legitimate reasons why they may have been advised to wait in isolation
    - some may have waited for quite some time before getting vaccinated, >>but from that time fully supported the vaccine and kept up to date. No >>limitations were placed on free speech, but provided someone was >>isolating and not putting others at risk then why not grant an >>exemption?

    As for not having published the data, the reality is that they were >>incredibly busy, and probably nobody had asked for the data. One it
    was asked for, they recognised that it may be of interest to others so >>voluntarily made the information public - that is hardly consistent
    with keeping it secret.
    Apart from your deliberate and lazy method of discourse you are wrong in your
    later comments. 11000 people were exempted including hundreds of health >department folk - that is now proven. Address that and forget the distractions.
    I gave an example of the sort of jobs that grew quickly for a short
    time and have now largely disappeared, which were quite reasonable exceptions to employer mandates. You and John pos tag team each other- neither of you have been able to support the assertion that there had
    been a gagging order or that free speech was limited - clean up your
    own house first, Tony.
    No Rich as usual YOU have failed to provide any evidence to support your own unscientific and useless "opinion'. Produce some evidence to support your garbage or be confirmed as the pos that you are beyond any doubt!

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