On 1 Oct 2023 06:52:50 GMT, Gordon <
Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rO9DDganV4
Time is still hard at work producing more facts from the Covid experience.
This is for Willy, and of course Rich.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC5AG7JDUfY
This is rather lengthy at 83 mins, full feature length, discussion of >Sweden's response to Conid pandemic. Including a Swede, which gives the real >world perspective.
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Plenty of other relections on the Sweden's covid response on youtube.
I think it is important to reflect on the 3 years of our lives.
I agree - reflection is good. I have not looked at all of the videos,
but it is clear that we now know more about the viruses that we had
experience of, and that knowledge may be at least partially relevant
to the current viruses that we are still experiencing, and to future
variants.
What we do know is that, in the absence of a lot of scientific
knowledge, doctors and governments had to make choices on limited
information, and for various reasons, not always totally as a result
of those decisions, different countries had different results.
One of the results is the estimated cumulative excess deaths per
100,000 people during Covid. Those numbers continue to change, but
using the most recent data, results so far (and again, Covid has not
yet disappeared) we have:
(Central estimates for excess deaths per 100,000 people):
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&facet=none&country=NZL~SWE~USA~AUS~FRA~DEU~NOR
United States 402
Germany 302
France 219
Sweden 184
Norway 167
Australia 121
New Zealand 2
So over the whole period (until the end of September this year) Norway
had lower deaths than Sweden, but New Zealand results are
significantly better than all those of all European countries.
Comparing New Zealand results with that of New Zealand; if we had
their death rate we would have experienced 9506 additional deaths
arising from Covid. How many additional deaths would you have seen as acceptable, Gordon?
Covid, and Covid deaths have of course not stopped in New Zealand or
elsewhere, but we continue to well as far as avoiding deaths is
concerned. Were a new more infectious and/or deadly virus to emerge,
we may well have react slightly differently from when Covid emerged,
but I hope that we would give ourselves time to avoid high death
rates; time to assess whether a different virus requires a different
reaction; but we can be very thankful that we had a government that
cared about lives, and at the same time gave us a very quick economic
recovery as well.
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