Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushing >this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be treated >the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an apartheid >country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making New >Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO division! So far as I know National have made no such suggestion. Until her shows otherwise Davis is lying. Just another lie from Labour.
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushing >>this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be treated
the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an apartheid >>country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making New >>Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO division! >So far as I know National have made no such suggestion. Until her shows >otherwise Davis is lying. Just another lie from Labour.
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 00:50:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:The claims Davis made are purely political and not based on any
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushingSo far as I know National have made no such suggestion. Until her shows >otherwise Davis is lying. Just another lie from Labour.
this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be treated
the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an apartheid
country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making New
Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO division!
semblance of fact. What is at stake is only the undemocratic
governance provisions in the water reforms legislation Labour has
enacted but never mentioned prior to the last election. Nothing more, nothing less.
All the cumulative actions of the previous 180 years (1840-2020),
including the Treaty settlements of negotiated by all past
Governments, are all still in place and National in particular has not announced any plan to change any of this. ACT have other ideas, as
does NZF.
The clear message from Davis is do not vote for ACT or NZF.
--The clear message was the only thing not a lie or close to one. However he's avoiding the fact that it seems NZ has had a gutsful of the current government and it's anti-democratic, lying and bullying ways...
Crash McBash
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushing this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be treated the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an apartheid country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making New Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO division!
On 2023-09-28, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushing this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be treated the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an apartheid country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making New Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO division!
Gosh there are many lines to read between in that article.
Quote
If they do away with rangatiratanga, two things happen, Davis said.
They lump M?ori in with every other minority in the country. They say,
you know, theres nothing special about tangata whenua, youre just
the same as everyone else.
Unquote
What the majority of NZers want is a democracy, one person/human one vote. >All votes are ranked the same.
Cultural issues/matters are a separate issue and can be dealt with by >discussion/debate and plan old under standing. At present we are still >starting the process of going down the wrong road on one to civil unrest.
Quote
But the other thing is, what they do is they emphasise the kawanatanga.
So its really back to the 1800s where the Government was the be-all
and end-all. And rangatiratanga is in jeopardy.
Unquote
Well to me that looks like what we have got now, for the last 3 years.
On 29 Sep 2023 03:52:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:The Treaty is not a contract that provides a partership between any parties. Therefore yor post makes no sense.
On 2023-09-28, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushing >>>this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be >>>treated the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an >>>apartheid country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making >>>New Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO >>>division!
Gosh there are many lines to read between in that article.
Quote
If they do away with rangatiratanga, two things happen, Davis said.
They lump M?ori in with every other minority in the country. They say, >>you know, theres nothing special about tangata whenua, youre just
the same as everyone else.
Unquote
What the majority of NZers want is a democracy, one person/human one vote. >>All votes are ranked the same.
Cultural issues/matters are a separate issue and can be dealt with by >>discussion/debate and plan old under standing. At present we are still >>starting the process of going down the wrong road on one to civil unrest.
Quote
But the other thing is, what they do is they emphasise the kawanatanga.
So its really back to the 1800s where the Government was the be-all
and end-all. And rangatiratanga is in jeopardy.
Unquote
Well to me that looks like what we have got now, for the last 3 years.
The danger to National is that the clear attack on sanctity of
contract that has infected ACT is also being picked up by the nutter
fringe - National are likely to balk at the prospect of being seen as
not being able to be trusted to abide by the terms of contracts agreed
by previous governments; but with so many of their own prepared to do
just that, National may be concerned about the loss of support that
would come with such dishonesty . . .
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 00:50:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushing >>>this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?So far as I know National have made no such suggestion. Until her shows >>otherwise Davis is lying. Just another lie from Labour.
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be >>>treated
the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an apartheid >>>country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making >>>New
Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO division!
It helps to actually read the article:You are as bad as Davis. To suggest that a neither confirm nor deny response means confirm is your best shot, right? Go away and address the facts.
"Davis made the comments in an interview with TeAoNews.co.nz. He
warned of devastating consequences for Maori if Nationals coalition
partner Act was successful in redefining Te Tiriti and putting it to a >referendum.
If they do away with rangatiratanga, two things happen, Davis said.
They lump Maori in with every other minority in the country. They
say, you know, theres nothing special about tangata whenua, youre
just the same as everyone else.
But the other thing is, what they do is they emphasise the
kawanatanga. So its really back to the 1800s where the Government was
the be-all and end-all. And rangatiratanga is in jeopardy.
So Davis did not claim that National would do anything - he was making
the point that it is ACT policy to have parliament ''reinterpret'' the
treaty to change the interpretation of Treaty provisions.
National have not said that they agree or disagree with that policy -
so it is correct to say that National have not made the suggestions -
but they have not disavowed them either.
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushing >>this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be treated
the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an apartheid >>country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making New >>Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO division! >So far as I know National have made no such suggestion. Until her shows >otherwise Davis is lying. Just another lie from Labour.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 29 Sep 2023 03:52:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:The Treaty is not a contract that provides a partership between any parties. >Therefore yor post makes no sense.
On 2023-09-28, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushing
this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be >>>>treated the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an >>>>apartheid country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making >>>>New Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO >>>>division!
Gosh there are many lines to read between in that article.
Quote
If they do away with rangatiratanga, two things happen, Davis said. >>>They lump M?ori in with every other minority in the country. They say, >>>you know, theres nothing special about tangata whenua, youre just
the same as everyone else.
Unquote
What the majority of NZers want is a democracy, one person/human one vote. >>>All votes are ranked the same.
Cultural issues/matters are a separate issue and can be dealt with by >>>discussion/debate and plan old under standing. At present we are still >>>starting the process of going down the wrong road on one to civil unrest. >>>
Quote
But the other thing is, what they do is they emphasise the kawanatanga. >>>So its really back to the 1800s where the Government was the be-all
and end-all. And rangatiratanga is in jeopardy.
Unquote
Well to me that looks like what we have got now, for the last 3 years.
The danger to National is that the clear attack on sanctity of
contract that has infected ACT is also being picked up by the nutter
fringe - National are likely to balk at the prospect of being seen as
not being able to be trusted to abide by the terms of contracts agreed
by previous governments; but with so many of their own prepared to do
just that, National may be concerned about the loss of support that
would come with such dishonesty . . .
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 04:55:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe Treaty was between the Crown and Maori through their many
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 29 Sep 2023 03:52:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:The Treaty is not a contract that provides a partership between any parties. >>Therefore yor post makes no sense.
On 2023-09-28, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushing
this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be >>>>>treated the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an >>>>>apartheid country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making >>>>>New Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO >>>>>division!
Gosh there are many lines to read between in that article.
Quote
If they do away with rangatiratanga, two things happen, Davis said. >>>>They lump M?ori in with every other minority in the country. They say, >>>>you know, theres nothing special about tangata whenua, youre just >>>>the same as everyone else.
Unquote
What the majority of NZers want is a democracy, one person/human one vote. >>>>All votes are ranked the same.
Cultural issues/matters are a separate issue and can be dealt with by >>>>discussion/debate and plan old under standing. At present we are still >>>>starting the process of going down the wrong road on one to civil unrest. >>>>
Quote
But the other thing is, what they do is they emphasise the kawanatanga. >>>>So its really back to the 1800s where the Government was the be-all >>>>and end-all. And rangatiratanga is in jeopardy.
Unquote
Well to me that looks like what we have got now, for the last 3 years.
The danger to National is that the clear attack on sanctity of
contract that has infected ACT is also being picked up by the nutter >>>fringe - National are likely to balk at the prospect of being seen as >>>not being able to be trusted to abide by the terms of contracts agreed
by previous governments; but with so many of their own prepared to do >>>just that, National may be concerned about the loss of support that
would come with such dishonesty . . .
Correct. All the signatories to the Treaty are long passed away. The >commitments are no more than hereditary in respect of the crown.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not say that, and indeed a neither confirm nor deny response
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 00:50:29 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are as bad as Davis. To suggest that a neither confirm nor deny response >means confirm is your best shot, right? Go away and address the facts.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushing >>>>this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?So far as I know National have made no such suggestion. Until her shows >>>otherwise Davis is lying. Just another lie from Labour.
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be >>>>treated
the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an apartheid >>>>country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making >>>>New
Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO division!
It helps to actually read the article:
"Davis made the comments in an interview with TeAoNews.co.nz. He
warned of devastating consequences for Maori if Nationals coalition >>partner Act was successful in redefining Te Tiriti and putting it to a >>referendum.
If they do away with rangatiratanga, two things happen, Davis said.
They lump Maori in with every other minority in the country. They
say, you know, theres nothing special about tangata whenua, youre
just the same as everyone else.
But the other thing is, what they do is they emphasise the
kawanatanga. So its really back to the 1800s where the Government was
the be-all and end-all. And rangatiratanga is in jeopardy.
So Davis did not claim that National would do anything - he was making
the point that it is ACT policy to have parliament ''reinterpret'' the >>treaty to change the interpretation of Treaty provisions.
National have not said that they agree or disagree with that policy -
so it is correct to say that National have not made the suggestions -
but they have not disavowed them either.
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 04:50:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyNothing to apologise for. I stand by what I wrote which happens to be accurate. It is for you to apologise to everybody in this group for your repetitive abuse and lies.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not say that, and indeed a neither confirm nor deny response
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 00:50:29 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are as bad as Davis. To suggest that a neither confirm nor deny response >>means confirm is your best shot, right? Go away and address the facts.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep >>>>>pushingSo far as I know National have made no such suggestion. Until her shows >>>>otherwise Davis is lying. Just another lie from Labour.
this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105? >>>>>The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be >>>>>treated
the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an >>>>>apartheid
country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making >>>>>New
Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO >>>>>division!
It helps to actually read the article:
"Davis made the comments in an interview with TeAoNews.co.nz. He
warned of devastating consequences for Maori if Nationals coalition >>>partner Act was successful in redefining Te Tiriti and putting it to a >>>referendum.
If they do away with rangatiratanga, two things happen, Davis said. >>>They lump Maori in with every other minority in the country. They
say, you know, theres nothing special about tangata whenua, youre
just the same as everyone else.
But the other thing is, what they do is they emphasise the
kawanatanga. So its really back to the 1800s where the Government was >>>the be-all and end-all. And rangatiratanga is in jeopardy.
So Davis did not claim that National would do anything - he was making >>>the point that it is ACT policy to have parliament ''reinterpret'' the >>>treaty to change the interpretation of Treaty provisions.
National have not said that they agree or disagree with that policy -
so it is correct to say that National have not made the suggestions -
but they have not disavowed them either.
does _not_ mean what you imply - my response did not imply that the
proposals were either supported or rejected by National. Why you
would believe otherwise is for you to try to explain to yourself - if
you can. Describing ACT as National's coalition partner is a fact -
it does not imply that National supports all ACT policies - or even
any of them!
You may apologise now, Tony.
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 21:10:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 04:55:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe Treaty was between the Crown and Maori through their many
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 29 Sep 2023 03:52:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:The Treaty is not a contract that provides a partership between any parties. >>>Therefore yor post makes no sense.
On 2023-09-28, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:The danger to National is that the clear attack on sanctity of
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushing
this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be >>>>>>treated the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an >>>>>>apartheid country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making
New Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO >>>>>>division!
Gosh there are many lines to read between in that article.
Quote
If they do away with rangatiratanga, two things happen, Davis said. >>>>>They lump M?ori in with every other minority in the country. They say, >>>>>you know, theres nothing special about tangata whenua, youre just >>>>>the same as everyone else.
Unquote
What the majority of NZers want is a democracy, one person/human one vote. >>>>>All votes are ranked the same.
Cultural issues/matters are a separate issue and can be dealt with by >>>>>discussion/debate and plan old under standing. At present we are still >>>>>starting the process of going down the wrong road on one to civil unrest. >>>>>
Quote
But the other thing is, what they do is they emphasise the kawanatanga. >>>>>So its really back to the 1800s where the Government was the be-all >>>>>and end-all. And rangatiratanga is in jeopardy.
Unquote
Well to me that looks like what we have got now, for the last 3 years. >>>>
contract that has infected ACT is also being picked up by the nutter >>>>fringe - National are likely to balk at the prospect of being seen as >>>>not being able to be trusted to abide by the terms of contracts agreed >>>>by previous governments; but with so many of their own prepared to do >>>>just that, National may be concerned about the loss of support that >>>>would come with such dishonesty . . .
Correct. All the signatories to the Treaty are long passed away. The >>commitments are no more than hereditary in respect of the crown.
representatives at the time. That does not mean that the Treaty is not
still binding on successors of the Crown, Governments of New Zealand
or Maori. A partnership is in some respects a reflection of binding
agreement between different parties. Do you believe that Cullen and
Finlayson for example were wrong to settle some Treaty Claims while
they held the position of Minister for Treaty Settlements?
On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 17:26:01 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>National have never preferred co-governance. Your Goebbels slip is showing.
wrote:
On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 12:36:57 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 21:10:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 04:55:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The Treaty was between the Crown and Maori through their many >>>representatives at the time. That does not mean that the Treaty is not >>>still binding on successors of the Crown, Governments of New Zealand
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 29 Sep 2023 03:52:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:The Treaty is not a contract that provides a partership between any >>>>>parties.
On 2023-09-28, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:The danger to National is that the clear attack on sanctity of >>>>>>contract that has infected ACT is also being picked up by the nutter >>>>>>fringe - National are likely to balk at the prospect of being seen as >>>>>>not being able to be trusted to abide by the terms of contracts agreed >>>>>>by previous governments; but with so many of their own prepared to do >>>>>>just that, National may be concerned about the loss of support that >>>>>>would come with such dishonesty . . .
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep >>>>>>>>pushing
this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105? >>>>>>>> The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be >>>>>>>>treated the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for >>>>>>>>an
apartheid country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with >>>>>>>>making
New Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO >>>>>>>>division!
Gosh there are many lines to read between in that article.
Quote
If they do away with rangatiratanga, two things happen, Davis said. >>>>>>>They lump M?ori in with every other minority in the country. They say, >>>>>>>you know, theres nothing special about tangata whenua, youre just >>>>>>>the same as everyone else.
Unquote
What the majority of NZers want is a democracy, one person/human one >>>>>>>vote.
All votes are ranked the same.
Cultural issues/matters are a separate issue and can be dealt with by >>>>>>>discussion/debate and plan old under standing. At present we are still >>>>>>>starting the process of going down the wrong road on one to civil >>>>>>>unrest.
Quote
But the other thing is, what they do is they emphasise the kawanatanga. >>>>>>>So its really back to the 1800s where the Government was the be-all >>>>>>>and end-all. And rangatiratanga is in jeopardy.
Unquote
Well to me that looks like what we have got now, for the last 3 years. >>>>>>
Therefore yor post makes no sense.
Correct. All the signatories to the Treaty are long passed away. The >>>>commitments are no more than hereditary in respect of the crown.
or Maori. A partnership is in some respects a reflection of binding >>>agreement between different parties. Do you believe that Cullen and >>>Finlayson for example were wrong to settle some Treaty Claims while
they held the position of Minister for Treaty Settlements?
No I do not - because those claims stem from Government actions
against Maori long ago.
Some were from both long ago but also continuing to the current day -
and National's preferred solution was co-governance; I am not aware of
any such arrangements that have not worked well.
On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 12:36:57 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 21:10:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 04:55:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe Treaty was between the Crown and Maori through their many >>representatives at the time. That does not mean that the Treaty is not >>still binding on successors of the Crown, Governments of New Zealand
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 29 Sep 2023 03:52:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:The Treaty is not a contract that provides a partership between any parties.
On 2023-09-28, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:The danger to National is that the clear attack on sanctity of >>>>>contract that has infected ACT is also being picked up by the nutter >>>>>fringe - National are likely to balk at the prospect of being seen as >>>>>not being able to be trusted to abide by the terms of contracts agreed >>>>>by previous governments; but with so many of their own prepared to do >>>>>just that, National may be concerned about the loss of support that >>>>>would come with such dishonesty . . .
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushing
this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105? >>>>>>> The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be >>>>>>>treated the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an
apartheid country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making
New Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO >>>>>>>division!
Gosh there are many lines to read between in that article.
Quote
If they do away with rangatiratanga, two things happen, Davis said. >>>>>>They lump M?ori in with every other minority in the country. They say, >>>>>>you know, theres nothing special about tangata whenua, youre just >>>>>>the same as everyone else.
Unquote
What the majority of NZers want is a democracy, one person/human one vote.
All votes are ranked the same.
Cultural issues/matters are a separate issue and can be dealt with by >>>>>>discussion/debate and plan old under standing. At present we are still >>>>>>starting the process of going down the wrong road on one to civil unrest. >>>>>>
Quote
But the other thing is, what they do is they emphasise the kawanatanga. >>>>>>So its really back to the 1800s where the Government was the be-all >>>>>>and end-all. And rangatiratanga is in jeopardy.
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Well to me that looks like what we have got now, for the last 3 years. >>>>>
Therefore yor post makes no sense.
Correct. All the signatories to the Treaty are long passed away. The >>>commitments are no more than hereditary in respect of the crown.
or Maori. A partnership is in some respects a reflection of binding >>agreement between different parties. Do you believe that Cullen and >>Finlayson for example were wrong to settle some Treaty Claims while
they held the position of Minister for Treaty Settlements?
No I do not - because those claims stem from Government actions
against Maori long ago.
On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 00:50:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:The claims Davis made are purely political and not based on any
Why are the racist and feral imbeciles in Labours Maori caucus keep pushingSo far as I know National have made no such suggestion. Until her shows >otherwise Davis is lying. Just another lie from Labour.
this bullshit?! Have they been getting instruction from Rich80105?
The only thing the treaty promised was all residents of New Zealand be treated
the same under English law! Why do they persist in pushing for an apartheid
country all the time and deny the true treaty?!
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/election-2023-for-maori-everythings-at-stake-kelvin-davis-warns/3A47IEVAARBSFMZZ56BI7MDRVA/
Time we put the poor old treaty in it's grave and just get on with making New
Zealand a democratic country with all being treated the same and NO division!
semblance of fact. What is at stake is only the undemocratic
governance provisions in the water reforms legislation Labour has
enacted but never mentioned prior to the last election. Nothing more, nothing less.
All the cumulative actions of the previous 180 years (1840-2020),
including the Treaty settlements of negotiated by all past
Governments, are all still in place and National in particular has not announced any plan to change any of this. ACT have other ideas, as
does NZF.
The clear message from Davis is do not vote for ACT or NZF.
--And to think that Davis used to be a teacher
Crash McBash
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