https://waikanaewatch.org/2023/09/27/on-kcdcs-ideas-for-having-a-maori-ward/ It seems that that council is determined to follow a racist and undemocratic path.
The article is well argued, full of historical information and we should learn
from it.
Hopefully the good people of Kapiti will do something about it.
On 2023-09-26, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Yes indeed. But the concerted attempts to steal our democracy makes that very hard to do.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:31:22 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
path.https://waikanaewatch.org/2023/09/27/on-kcdcs-ideas-for-having-a-maori-ward/ >>> It seems that that council is determined to follow a racist and >>>undemocratic
The article is well argued, full of historical information and we should >>>learn
from it.
Hopefully the good people of Kapiti will do something about it.
An interesting read. We forget that in so many parts of NZ that the local iwi
aren't the original Maori settlers in the area. We need to pay more >>attention
to history both european and Maori!
The concern is that we all need to study it and debate/learn from it, which >is not going to be the easist in these tribal times. Both sides need to >accept that there some ugly things done by both sides. Also that we need to >move forward.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:31:22 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2023/09/27/on-kcdcs-ideas-for-having-a-maori-ward/ >> It seems that that council is determined to follow a racist and undemocratic >> path.
The article is well argued, full of historical information and we should learn
from it.
Hopefully the good people of Kapiti will do something about it.
An interesting read. We forget that in so many parts of NZ that the local iwi aren't the original Maori settlers in the area. We need to pay more attention to history both european and Maori!
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 02:14:48 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-26, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Yes indeed. But the concerted attempts to steal our democracy makes that very >>hard to do.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:31:22 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote: >>>>> >>>>>https://waikanaewatch.org/2023/09/27/on-kcdcs-ideas-for-having-a-maori-ward/
It seems that that council is determined to follow a racist and >>>>>undemocratic
path.
The article is well argued, full of historical information and we should >>>>>learn
from it.
Hopefully the good people of Kapiti will do something about it.
An interesting read. We forget that in so many parts of NZ that the local >>>>iwi
aren't the original Maori settlers in the area. We need to pay more >>>>attention
to history both european and Maori!
The concern is that we all need to study it and debate/learn from it, which >>>is not going to be the easist in these tribal times. Both sides need to >>>accept that there some ugly things done by both sides. Also that we need to >>>move forward.
I can understand concern about democracy in local bodies introducing
Maori Wards, however given that local bodies are run by independent >councilors (although some are endorsed by Labour) there is a marked >difference in the impact of this at local level.
I have therefore changed my view on Maori wards. They are OK but with
the following provisions for each local body (district, unitary or
regional council):
- The leader (usually Mayor) is directly elected.
- The Maori Ward councilors have the same voting rights as all other >councilors.
- The number of Maori Ward Councilors is no more than a third of the
total number of Counselors.
While this is technically undemocratic, in practice it gives Maori a
minority representation on each local body. In the absence of party
this is politically harmless.
Co-governance as enacted by Labour in the water reforms legislation is >totally different and far more abhorrent.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-26, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Yes indeed. But the concerted attempts to steal our democracy makes that very >hard to do.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:31:22 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
It seems that that council is determined to follow a racist and >>>>undemocratichttps://waikanaewatch.org/2023/09/27/on-kcdcs-ideas-for-having-a-maori-ward/
path.
The article is well argued, full of historical information and we should >>>>learn
from it.
Hopefully the good people of Kapiti will do something about it.
An interesting read. We forget that in so many parts of NZ that the local iwi
aren't the original Maori settlers in the area. We need to pay more >>>attention
to history both european and Maori!
The concern is that we all need to study it and debate/learn from it, which >>is not going to be the easist in these tribal times. Both sides need to >>accept that there some ugly things done by both sides. Also that we need to >>move forward.
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 02:14:48 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:I can understand concern about democracy in local bodies introducing
On 2023-09-26, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:Yes indeed. But the concerted attempts to steal our democracy makes that very
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:31:22 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote: >>>> >>>>https://waikanaewatch.org/2023/09/27/on-kcdcs-ideas-for-having-a-maori-ward/
It seems that that council is determined to follow a racist and >>>>undemocratic
path.
The article is well argued, full of historical information and we should
learn
from it.
Hopefully the good people of Kapiti will do something about it.
An interesting read. We forget that in so many parts of NZ that the local iwi
aren't the original Maori settlers in the area. We need to pay more >>>attention
to history both european and Maori!
The concern is that we all need to study it and debate/learn from it, which
is not going to be the easist in these tribal times. Both sides need to >>accept that there some ugly things done by both sides. Also that we need to
move forward.
hard to do.
Maori Wards, however given that local bodies are run by independent councilors (although some are endorsed by Labour) there is a marked difference in the impact of this at local level.
I have therefore changed my view on Maori wards. They are OK but with
the following provisions for each local body (district, unitary or
regional council):
- The leader (usually Mayor) is directly elected.
- The Maori Ward councilors have the same voting rights as all other councilors.
- The number of Maori Ward Councilors is no more than a third of the
total number of Counselors.
While this is technically undemocratic, in practice it gives Maori a minority representation on each local body. In the absence of party
this is politically harmless.
Co-governance as enacted by Labour in the water reforms legislation is totally different and far more abhorrent.
--That sounds good.
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