And a forthright and intelligent commentary. https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
The MSM in this country are nearly all left wing supporters and paid for being so.And a forthright and intelligent commentary.
https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
Interesting that we don't see this sort of thing in the msm. Guess they're >still happy to push the lefts agenda...
And a forthright and intelligent commentary. >https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:32:26 -0000 (UTC), TonyGo to a geriatrician or a psychologist and get yourself confirmed as sociopathic.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
And a forthright and intelligent commentary. >>https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
What a stupid article - and a stupid description of it by one of our >resident idiots. Covid was just the sort of emergency that we expect
a government to quickly assess and if appropriate act quickly in the >interests of New Zealanders.
Covid presented itself as a serious threat to the health and life of
New Zealanders. Our government moved quickly to assess available
information, and acted when it was clear that action not only could,
but should be taken. This was a war against a new virus which could
kill, and was believed to be very infectious.
Our government acted quickly and greatly restricted passage of people
to New Zealand, but it was not possible to completely stop all
shipping and flights - trade commitments had to be met, but
precautions were taken where possible.
We can compare deaths in New Zealand with a previous emergency. In
1940, our population was around 1.6 million. During WW2, the official
death count for new Zealand was 11,928 - a death rate of around 7,455
per million population - with many more wounded to a greater or lesser >extent.
So far New Zealand deaths from Covid total around 638.15 per million,
which is recognised as being one of the lowest rates of death in the
world. For example, the equivalent rate of deaths from Covid for the
United States is 3,331.91 per million population - with again in both >countries many more suffering long term effects from an infection >https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/new-zealand#daily-confirmed-deaths-how-do-they-compare-to-other-countries
(The actual number of deaths for the USA is 1.13 million; for New
Zealand 3,309) >https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths?country=~NZL#what-is-the-cumulative-number-of-confirmed-deaths
From those figures, if we had the same Covid results as the USA, as a >proportion of our population, we would have had 17,277 deaths.
It is fair to say that our relative isolation from the world, plus the >positive emergency actions rightly taken by our government saved us in
the region of 14,000 additional deaths that we would have experienced
if we had the same rate of deaths as the USA.
It is also easy to forget that the actions of our government were, in
large part, supported by the opposition political parties. Sure they
bitched and moaned - they had a list of Should Haves that they
randomly picked on any issue - "moved more quickly", "waited longer",
"done more", "done less", but they never seriously disagreed with the >direction the government took. If there was any consistency, they
wanted the government to accept higher risk to support profits. As it
was, our businesses came through with fewer closures than in other
countries, and many continued with good profits throughout;
economically, New Zealand recovered more quickly than most other
countries. Electorally, that good performance was recognised by
increased vote to Labour at the following election.
Do you really believe we should have taken actions that would have
given us around 14,000 more deaths, Tony?
John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:You'll love this mate. Some truth for our good buddy Rich80105 :) https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/09/27/msm-are-out-of-step-with-society/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=msm-are-out-of-step-with-society
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:32:30 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
And a forthright and intelligent commentary.
https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
Interesting that we don't see this sort of thing in the msm. Guess they're >still happy to push the lefts agenda...The MSM in this country are nearly all left wing supporters and paid for being
so.
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:59:21?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:beating the government in lockdown either!
On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:32:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
And a forthright and intelligent commentary.What a stupid article - and a stupid description of it by one of our
https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
resident idiots. Covid was just the sort of emergency that we expect
a government to quickly assess and if appropriate act quickly in the
interests of New Zealanders.
Except they didn't! Ardern stuffed around for two fucking weeks before she decided after talking her overseas friends to follow Bloomfields advice! I was in lockdown before Ardern and Labour stopped nattering about it and reacted! I'm not alone in
I note you have no cite to back up your lie.
Covid presented itself as a serious threat to the health and life of
New Zealanders. Our government moved quickly to assess available
information, and acted when it was clear that action not only could,
but should be taken. This was a war against a new virus which could
kill, and was believed to be very infectious.
Our government fucked around like the useless bastards they are!
Our government acted quickly and greatly restricted passage of people
to New Zealand, but it was not possible to completely stop all
shipping and flights - trade commitments had to be met, but
precautions were taken where possible.
No matter how often you repeat the lie the government fucked around for two fucking weeks before starting the lockdown! In fact they even changed the lockdown rules on an almost daily basis! Don't deny it unless you have a cite to back up your lie!
Not comparable - in those days even the doctors did not realise whatWe can compare deaths in New Zealand with a previous emergency. In
1940, our population was around 1.6 million. During WW2, the official
death count for new Zealand was 11,928 - a death rate of around 7,455
per million population - with many more wounded to a greater or lesser
extent.
You can't compare a war with a virus epidemic! Rather compare it with the flu epidemic in 1918!
I haven't heard the government using the above figures, but they are
So far New Zealand deaths from Covid total around 638.15 per million,
which is recognised as being one of the lowest rates of death in the
world. For example, the equivalent rate of deaths from Covid for the
United States is 3,331.91 per million population - with again in both
countries many more suffering long term effects from an infection
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/new-zealand#daily-confirmed-deaths-how-do-they-compare-to-other-countries
(The actual number of deaths for the USA is 1.13 million; for New
Zealand 3,309)
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths?country=~NZL#what-is-the-cumulative-number-of-confirmed-deaths
From those figures, if we had the same Covid results as the USA, as a
proportion of our population, we would have had 17,277 deaths.
It is fair to say that our relative isolation from the world, plus the
positive emergency actions rightly taken by our government saved us in
the region of 14,000 additional deaths that we would have experienced
if we had the same rate of deaths as the USA.
It is also easy to forget that the actions of our government were, in
large part, supported by the opposition political parties. Sure they
bitched and moaned - they had a list of Should Haves that they
randomly picked on any issue - "moved more quickly", "waited longer",
"done more", "done less", but they never seriously disagreed with the
direction the government took. If there was any consistency, they
wanted the government to accept higher risk to support profits. As it
was, our businesses came through with fewer closures than in other
countries, and many continued with good profits throughout;
economically, New Zealand recovered more quickly than most other
countries. Electorally, that good performance was recognised by
increased vote to Labour at the following election.
Do you really believe we should have taken actions that would have
given us around 14,000 more deaths, Tony?
Prove there would have been 14,000 deaths and you might be thought to be discussing something for once in your useless life. Rather than repeating the bullshit story the government is pushing with media help!
On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:18:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowesbeating the government in lockdown either!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:59:21?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:32:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
And a forthright and intelligent commentary.What a stupid article - and a stupid description of it by one of our
https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
resident idiots. Covid was just the sort of emergency that we expect
a government to quickly assess and if appropriate act quickly in the
interests of New Zealanders.
Except they didn't! Ardern stuffed around for two fucking weeks before she decided after talking her overseas friends to follow Bloomfields advice! I was in lockdown before Ardern and Labour stopped nattering about it and reacted! I'm not alone in
So show the evidence, John . . .
Covid presented itself as a serious threat to the health and life of
New Zealanders. Our government moved quickly to assess available
information, and acted when it was clear that action not only could,
but should be taken. This was a war against a new virus which could
kill, and was believed to be very infectious.
Our government fucked around like the useless bastards they are!
Our government acted quickly and greatly restricted passage of people
to New Zealand, but it was not possible to completely stop all
shipping and flights - trade commitments had to be met, but
precautions were taken where possible.
No matter how often you repeat the lie the government fucked around for two fucking weeks before starting the lockdown! In fact they even changed the lockdown rules on an almost daily basis! Don't deny it unless you have a cite to back up your lie!I note you have no cite to back up your lie.
We can compare deaths in New Zealand with a previous emergency. In
1940, our population was around 1.6 million. During WW2, the official
death count for new Zealand was 11,928 - a death rate of around 7,455
per million population - with many more wounded to a greater or lesser
extent.
You can't compare a war with a virus epidemic! Rather compare it with the flu epidemic in 1918!Not comparable - in those days even the doctors did not realise what
they were dealing with.
So far New Zealand deaths from Covid total around 638.15 per million,
which is recognised as being one of the lowest rates of death in the
world. For example, the equivalent rate of deaths from Covid for the
United States is 3,331.91 per million population - with again in both
countries many more suffering long term effects from an infection
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/new-zealand#daily-confirmed-deaths-how-do-they-compare-to-other-countries
(The actual number of deaths for the USA is 1.13 million; for New
Zealand 3,309)
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths?country=~NZL#what-is-the-cumulative-number-of-confirmed-deaths
From those figures, if we had the same Covid results as the USA, as a
proportion of our population, we would have had 17,277 deaths.
It is fair to say that our relative isolation from the world, plus the
positive emergency actions rightly taken by our government saved us in
the region of 14,000 additional deaths that we would have experienced
if we had the same rate of deaths as the USA.
It is also easy to forget that the actions of our government were, in
large part, supported by the opposition political parties. Sure they
bitched and moaned - they had a list of Should Haves that they
randomly picked on any issue - "moved more quickly", "waited longer",
"done more", "done less", but they never seriously disagreed with the
direction the government took. If there was any consistency, they
wanted the government to accept higher risk to support profits. As it
was, our businesses came through with fewer closures than in other
countries, and many continued with good profits throughout;
economically, New Zealand recovered more quickly than most other
countries. Electorally, that good performance was recognised by
increased vote to Labour at the following election.
Do you really believe we should have taken actions that would have
given us around 14,000 more deaths, Tony?
Prove there would have been 14,000 deaths and you might be thought to be discussing something for once in your useless life. Rather than repeating the bullshit story the government is pushing with media help!I haven't heard the government using the above figures, but they are correct. I have given all the numbers to enable you to work it out for yourself above, John Bowes - but perhaps you are incapable of simple arithmetic.
On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:18:58 -0700 (PDT), John BowesAnd perhaps you are incapable of politeness. Fact is, Most of the article is extremely well done and you have failed to address the content at all. How usual!
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 2:59:21?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:So show the evidence, John . . .
On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:32:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
And a forthright and intelligent commentary.What a stupid article - and a stupid description of it by one of our
https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
resident idiots. Covid was just the sort of emergency that we expect
a government to quickly assess and if appropriate act quickly in the
interests of New Zealanders.
Except they didn't! Ardern stuffed around for two fucking weeks before she >>decided after talking her overseas friends to follow Bloomfields advice! I was
in lockdown before Ardern and Labour stopped nattering about it and reacted! >>I'm not alone in beating the government in lockdown either!
I note you have no cite to back up your lie.
Covid presented itself as a serious threat to the health and life of
New Zealanders. Our government moved quickly to assess available
information, and acted when it was clear that action not only could,
but should be taken. This was a war against a new virus which could
kill, and was believed to be very infectious.
Our government fucked around like the useless bastards they are!
Our government acted quickly and greatly restricted passage of people
to New Zealand, but it was not possible to completely stop all
shipping and flights - trade commitments had to be met, but
precautions were taken where possible.
No matter how often you repeat the lie the government fucked around for two >>fucking weeks before starting the lockdown! In fact they even changed the >>lockdown rules on an almost daily basis! Don't deny it unless you have a cite >>to back up your lie!
Not comparable - in those days even the doctors did not realise whatWe can compare deaths in New Zealand with a previous emergency. In
1940, our population was around 1.6 million. During WW2, the official
death count for new Zealand was 11,928 - a death rate of around 7,455
per million population - with many more wounded to a greater or lesser
extent.
You can't compare a war with a virus epidemic! Rather compare it with the flu >>epidemic in 1918!
they were dealing with.
I haven't heard the government using the above figures, but they are
So far New Zealand deaths from Covid total around 638.15 per million,
which is recognised as being one of the lowest rates of death in the
world. For example, the equivalent rate of deaths from Covid for the
United States is 3,331.91 per million population - with again in both
countries many more suffering long term effects from an infection
https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/new-zealand#daily-confirmed-deaths-how-do-they-compare-to-other-countries
(The actual number of deaths for the USA is 1.13 million; for New
Zealand 3,309)
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths?country=~NZL#what-is-the-cumulative-number-of-confirmed-deaths
From those figures, if we had the same Covid results as the USA, as a
proportion of our population, we would have had 17,277 deaths.
It is fair to say that our relative isolation from the world, plus the
positive emergency actions rightly taken by our government saved us in
the region of 14,000 additional deaths that we would have experienced
if we had the same rate of deaths as the USA.
It is also easy to forget that the actions of our government were, in
large part, supported by the opposition political parties. Sure they
bitched and moaned - they had a list of Should Haves that they
randomly picked on any issue - "moved more quickly", "waited longer",
"done more", "done less", but they never seriously disagreed with the
direction the government took. If there was any consistency, they
wanted the government to accept higher risk to support profits. As it
was, our businesses came through with fewer closures than in other
countries, and many continued with good profits throughout;
economically, New Zealand recovered more quickly than most other
countries. Electorally, that good performance was recognised by
increased vote to Labour at the following election.
Do you really believe we should have taken actions that would have
given us around 14,000 more deaths, Tony?
Prove there would have been 14,000 deaths and you might be thought to be >>discussing something for once in your useless life. Rather than repeating the >>bullshit story the government is pushing with media help!
correct. I have given all the numbers to enable you to work it out for >yourself above, John Bowes - but perhaps you are incapable of simple >arithmetic.
On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 20:32:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
And a forthright and intelligent commentary. >https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/What a stupid article - and a stupid description of it by one of our resident idiots. Covid was just the sort of emergency that we expect
a government to quickly assess and if appropriate act quickly in the interests of New Zealanders.
Covid presented itself as a serious threat to the health and life of
New Zealanders. Our government moved quickly to assess available information, and acted when it was clear that action not only could,
but should be taken. This was a war against a new virus which could
kill, and was believed to be very infectious.
Our government acted quickly and greatly restricted passage of people
to New Zealand, but it was not possible to completely stop all
shipping and flights - trade commitments had to be met, but
precautions were taken where possible.
We can compare deaths in New Zealand with a previous emergency. In
1940, our population was around 1.6 million. During WW2, the official
death count for new Zealand was 11,928 - a death rate of around 7,455
per million population - with many more wounded to a greater or lesser extent.
So far New Zealand deaths from Covid total around 638.15 per million,
which is recognised as being one of the lowest rates of death in the
world. For example, the equivalent rate of deaths from Covid for the
United States is 3,331.91 per million population - with again in both countries many more suffering long term effects from an infection https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/new-zealand#daily-confirmed-deaths-how-do-they-compare-to-other-countries
(The actual number of deaths for the USA is 1.13 million; for New
Zealand 3,309) https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths?country=~NZL#what-is-the-cumulative-number-of-confirmed-deaths
From those figures, if we had the same Covid results as the USA, as a proportion of our population, we would have had 17,277 deaths.
It is fair to say that our relative isolation from the world, plus the positive emergency actions rightly taken by our government saved us in
the region of 14,000 additional deaths that we would have experienced
if we had the same rate of deaths as the USA.
It is also easy to forget that the actions of our government were, in
large part, supported by the opposition political parties. Sure they
bitched and moaned - they had a list of Should Haves that they
randomly picked on any issue - "moved more quickly", "waited longer",
"done more", "done less", but they never seriously disagreed with the direction the government took. If there was any consistency, they
wanted the government to accept higher risk to support profits. As it
was, our businesses came through with fewer closures than in other countries, and many continued with good profits throughout;
economically, New Zealand recovered more quickly than most other
countries. Electorally, that good performance was recognised by
increased vote to Labour at the following election.
Do you really believe we should have taken actions that would have
given us around 14,000 more deaths, Tony?
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:32:30 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
And a forthright and intelligent commentary. https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
Jeffrey Tucker is a 60 years old self-styled Libertarian and an alumnus of the now much discredited "Austrian School" (Hayek, Friedman, Thatcher, Keynes, Reagan etc.) whose influences and policies brought the global economy to the brink of collapse in2008.
And a forthright and intelligent commentary. https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
Which has zero bearing on the content.On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:32:30 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
And a forthright and intelligent commentary.
https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
Corrected:
Jeffrey Tucker is a 60 years old self-styled Libertarian and an alumnus of >>the now much discredited "Austrian School" (Hayek, Friedman, Thatcher, Keynes,
Reagan etc.) whose influences and policies brought the global economy to the >>brink of collapse in 2008.
James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:22:37 AM UTC+13, James Christophers wrote:
On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:32:30 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
And a forthright and intelligent commentary.
https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
Corrected:Which has zero bearing on the content.
Jeffrey Tucker is a 60 years old self-styled Libertarian and an alumnus of
the now much discredited "Austrian School" (Hayek, Friedman, Thatcher, Keynes,
Reagan etc.) whose influences and policies brought the global economy to the
brink of collapse in 2008.
James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:22:37 AM UTC+13, James Christophers >wrote:
Which has zero bearing on the content.On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:32:30 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
And a forthright and intelligent commentary.
https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
Corrected:
Jeffrey Tucker is a 60 years old self-styled Libertarian and an alumnus of >>>the now much discredited "Austrian School" (Hayek, Friedman, Thatcher, Keynes,
Reagan etc.) whose influences and policies brought the global economy to the >>>brink of collapse in 2008.
On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 23:53:45 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou have totally failed to address the article's contents or the messages therein. You have totally failed to address the questions he posed. You are incapable of balance or thinking for yourself.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:22:37 AM UTC+13, James Christophers >>wrote:
Which has zero bearing on the content.On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:32:30 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
And a forthright and intelligent commentary.
https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
Corrected:
Jeffrey Tucker is a 60 years old self-styled Libertarian and an alumnus of >>>>the now much discredited "Austrian School" (Hayek, Friedman, Thatcher, >>>>Keynes,
Reagan etc.) whose influences and policies brought the global economy to >>>>the
brink of collapse in 2008.
But explained the total disconnect with reality of much of what is
written.
Take this quote from the article, just under a picture of Jacinda
Ardern holding a baby: "The bad guys have been christened as the good
guys, and the good guys have been purged, deplatformed, canceled, and >demonized. It’s a turn of events none of us could have imagined back
in 2020. It cries out for an explanation. "
sp what happened back in 2020 - we had the sudden appearance of a very >contagious virus that killled. We saw pictures of bulldozers preparing
mass graves in the USA. What could be done? Then we saw a considered
and balanced response from some governments - first priority: Protect
and preserve our people. So we locked down, took precautions against
becoming infected, but much on hold, and hoped.
Turns out New Zealand had done exactly the right things - we had
remarkeably few deaths, but the still added up; we had some impact on >business, but international trade continued, we were able to make
essential purchases, and businesses were helped to be able to keep
paying employees, which ensured that while many businesses came
through with little work able to be done - those employed - our
people, were able to continue their lives and return to work.
Then we saw the other side - Jacinda Ardern was vilified, purged,
demonised, and threatened - needing security at a level normally
associated with dictators in lawless countries - as well as of course
the President of the United States! Instead we saw people listening
to fools who claimed that Covid had been manufactured by the Chinese,
by the government, by the medical profession, etc, etc. We saw people >claiming that vaccines would kill you (against all evidence); that the
death rates in New Zealand were untrue; and that our economy had been >destroyed, and that it was a conspiracy . . . you get the idea.
We were able to compare our results with those of other countries - we
know for example that the United States experience was considerably
worse than ours - had we experienced their level of deaths we would
have had an additional 14,000 New Zealanders die - but that means
nothing to the protestors - and surprise, surprise, the article by
Jeffrey Tucker does not go in that direction.
So who is he? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Tucker
He espuses Anarcho-capitalism : "Anarcho-capitalism (colloquially:
ancap or '"an-cap"') is an anti-statist,[3] libertarian[4] political >philosophy and economic theory that seeks to abolish centralized
states in favor of stateless societies with systems of private
property enforced by private agencies, the non-aggression principle,
free markets and self-ownership, which extends the concept to include
control of private property as part of the self. In the absence of
statute, anarcho-capitalists hold that society tends to contractually >self-regulate and civilize through participation in the free market,
which they describe as a voluntary society involving the voluntary
exchange of goods and services.[5][6][7][8] In a theoretical >anarcho-capitalist society, the system of private property would still
exist and be enforced by private defense agencies and/or insurance
companies selected by customers, which would operate competitively in
a market and fulfill the roles of courts and the police." (Wikipedia).
As an example of his judgement, he has been an advocate for Bitcoin.
""Tucker blogged in opposition to social distancing measures and face
masks during the COVID-19 pandemic, framing them as subservience to >"arbitrary and ignorant authority" "
Knowing how many died in the USA compared with New Zealand, who would
believe anything this person says?
Unnecessary.James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 10:22:37 AM UTC+13, James Christophers >> wrote:
Which has zero bearing on the content.On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 9:32:30 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
And a forthright and intelligent commentary.
https://21stcenturywire.com/2023/09/22/jeffrey-tucker-the-valorization-of-the-tyrants/
Corrected:
Jeffrey Tucker is a 60 years old self-styled Libertarian and an alumnus >> >>of
the now much discredited "Austrian School" (Hayek, Friedman, Thatcher,
Keynes,
Reagan etc.) whose influences and policies brought the global economy to >> >>the
brink of collapse in 2008.
Convince me.
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