• National and NZF

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 25 18:06:19 2023
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF sympathisers.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Crash on Mon Sep 25 05:08:02 2023
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF >sympathisers.

    Spot on Crash.

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to Crash on Mon Sep 25 14:30:43 2023
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF sympathisers.

    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get done. Much prefer just Nat/ACT, with Winston offered a bauble or two outside the coalition to keep him occupied and out of trouble.

    Perhaps put him in charge of all things Maori.

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  • From James Christophers@21:1/5 to JohnO on Mon Sep 25 17:28:10 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get done.

    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers (except for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would promise an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in the current global economic
    climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive facial tics and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a slumpgut Waste Management driver. No charm, no
    sophistication, no originality, no sense of direction, no cred.

    Much prefer just Nat/ACT, with Winston offered a bauble or two outside the coalition to keep him occupied and out of trouble.

    Perhaps put him in charge of all things Maori.

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to James Christophers on Mon Sep 25 19:30:30 2023
    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45 AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers (except for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would promise an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in the current global economic
    climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive facial tics and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a slumpgut Waste Management driver. No charm, no
    sophistication, no originality, no sense of direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?

    Much prefer just Nat/ACT, with Winston offered a bauble or two outside the coalition to keep him occupied and out of trouble.

    Perhaps put him in charge of all things Maori.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 16:01:29 2023
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 14:30:43 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF
    sympathisers.

    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get done. Much prefer just Nat/ACT, with Winston offered a bauble or two outside the coalition to keep him occupied and out of trouble.

    Perhaps put him in charge of all things Maori.

    The Parliamentary seat counts after the election are absolutely
    crucial. If National and ACT, or National and NZF have more than half
    the seats then either Seymour or Peters respectively have the inside
    running against each other. If all 3 parties are required to get over
    half the seats then it will logically be the bigger of ACT or NZF that
    will hold sway over the other. This is what happened in 2017 when NZF
    had 9 seats and the Greens 8.


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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 26 04:28:45 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers wrote: >>> On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers (except >>>for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in the >>>current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or >>>statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive facial tics >>>and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a slumpgut Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no sense of >>>direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so childish of you - a classic symptom.


    Much prefer just Nat/ACT, with Winston offered a bauble or two outside >>> >the coalition to keep him occupied and out of trouble.

    Perhaps put him in charge of all things Maori.


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 17:15:46 2023
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers (except for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would promise an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in the current global economic
    climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive facial tics and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a slumpgut Waste Management driver. No charm, no
    sophistication, no originality, no sense of direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the
    forum for medical advice . . .


    Much prefer just Nat/ACT, with Winston offered a bauble or two outside the coalition to keep him occupied and out of trouble.

    Perhaps put him in charge of all things Maori.


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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Sep 26 06:06:20 2023
    James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get done. >> >>> Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers
    (except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would
    promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in the >> >>>current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or
    statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive facial >> >>>tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a slumpgut >> >>>Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no sense >> >>>of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so >>childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when appropriate, as >here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

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  • From James Christophers@21:1/5 to Tony on Mon Sep 25 22:43:53 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led >>> > > government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF >>> > > sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get done. >>> Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers (except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in the >>>current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or >>>statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive facial tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a slumpgut Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no sense of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the >forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when appropriate, as here.

    Think on.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Sep 26 06:46:34 2023
    James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led >> >> >>> > > government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the >> >> >>> > > election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF >> >> >>> > > sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get
    done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers
    (except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would >> >> >>>promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in >> >> >>>the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or
    statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive
    facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a
    slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no
    sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so
    childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when appropriate, >> >as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?
    Do I? Maybe you are indulging yourself.

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  • From James Christophers@21:1/5 to Tony on Mon Sep 25 23:32:22 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led >> >>> > > government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the >> >>> > > election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF >> >>> > > sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers
    (except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would >> >>>promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or
    statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so >>childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when appropriate, as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Sep 26 22:17:26 2023
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:46:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers >>> >> >>wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote: >>> >> >>> > On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't >>> >> >>> > > party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the >>> >> >>> > > election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get >>> >> >>> >done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers >>> >> >>>(except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would
    promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in >>> >> >>>the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or
    statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive
    facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a
    slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no >>> >> >>>sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the >>> >> >forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so
    childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when appropriate,
    as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?
    Do I? Maybe you are indulging yourself.
    As the tinyurl appears to have expired, perhaps it is time to leave
    the thread which Tony is desperately trying to edge away from the
    subject of National and NZF. Start another thread if you wish Tony,
    but as Crash said in the initial post, "Looks like Luxon will do a
    deal with Winston if he has to: "

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 26 20:29:01 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:46:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >>>> >> >wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers >>>> >> >>wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote: >>>> >> >>> > On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote: >>>> >> >>> > > Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a
    Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't >>>> >> >>> > > party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the >>>> >> >>> > > election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to >>>> >> >>> > >NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get >>>> >> >>> >done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers >>>> >> >>>(except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers >>>> >> >>>would
    promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in >>>> >> >>>the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or
    statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive >>>> >> >>>facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a
    slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no >>>> >> >>>sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the >>>> >> >forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so >>>> >>childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when
    appropriate,
    as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?
    Do I? Maybe you are indulging yourself.
    As the tinyurl appears to have expired, perhaps it is time to leave
    the thread which Tony is desperately trying to edge away from the
    subject of National and NZF. Start another thread if you wish Tony,
    but as Crash said in the initial post, "Looks like Luxon will do a
    deal with Winston if he has to: "
    I don't care about Winston one way or the other. I have one wish - to see this undemocratic government served a thrashing at the election.
    And for the record I made no attempt to divert this thread, I leave thos tactics to you.

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  • From James Christophers@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 15:20:51 2023
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:25:29 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:46:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >>> >> >wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote: >>> >> >>> > > Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to: >>> >> >>> > >
    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get >>> >> >>> >done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers >>> >> >>>(except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would
    promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in
    the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or >>> >> >>>statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive >>> >> >>>facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a >>> >> >>>slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no >>> >> >>>sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so >>> >>childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when appropriate,
    as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?
    Do I? Maybe you are indulging yourself.
    As the tinyurl appears to have expired, perhaps it is time to leave
    the thread which Tony is desperately trying to edge away from the
    subject of National and NZF. Start another thread if you wish Tony,
    but as Crash said in the initial post, "Looks like Luxon will do a
    deal with Winston if he has to: "

    New Zealanders don't produce enough of sufficient **real**value to earn their keep. They are, collectively, economically indolent; so much so that, unless and until New Zealand begins to produce higher value from its labour force (increased **real**
    productivity), Luxon has no way whatever of funding the policies he says he intends to introduce if he becomes PM. The shallow little question-dodger is, essentially, all mouth and trousers. And he knows it - or does he?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to James Christophers on Tue Sep 26 16:59:48 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:20:53 AM UTC+13, James Christophers wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:25:29 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:46:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48 PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote: >>> >> >>> > > Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to: >>> >> >>> > >
    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get
    done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers
    (except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would
    promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in
    the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or >>> >> >>>statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive >>> >> >>>facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a >>> >> >>>slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no
    sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so
    childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when appropriate,
    as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?
    Do I? Maybe you are indulging yourself.
    As the tinyurl appears to have expired, perhaps it is time to leave
    the thread which Tony is desperately trying to edge away from the
    subject of National and NZF. Start another thread if you wish Tony,
    but as Crash said in the initial post, "Looks like Luxon will do a
    deal with Winston if he has to: "
    New Zealanders don't produce enough of sufficient **real**value to earn their keep. They are, collectively, economically indolent; so much so that, unless and until New Zealand begins to produce higher value from its labour force (increased **real**
    productivity), Luxon has no way whatever of funding the policies he says he intends to introduce if he becomes PM. The shallow little question-dodger is, essentially, all mouth and trousers. And he knows it - or does he?
    Talking about shallow Keith. You have almost as much depth as Rich when it comes to National/ACT. Jealous that so many of their politicians have been more successful than you?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Wed Sep 27 15:09:18 2023
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:20:53?AM UTC+13, James Christophers wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:25:29?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:46:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote: >> > >>> >> >>> > > Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to: >> > >>> >> >>> > >
    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get
    done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers
    (except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would
    promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in
    the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or >> > >>> >> >>>statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive >> > >>> >> >>>facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a >> > >>> >> >>>slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no
    sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so
    childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when appropriate,
    as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?
    Do I? Maybe you are indulging yourself.
    As the tinyurl appears to have expired, perhaps it is time to leave
    the thread which Tony is desperately trying to edge away from the
    subject of National and NZF. Start another thread if you wish Tony,
    but as Crash said in the initial post, "Looks like Luxon will do a
    deal with Winston if he has to: "
    New Zealanders don't produce enough of sufficient **real**value to earn their keep. They are, collectively, economically indolent; so much so that, unless and until New Zealand begins to produce higher value from its labour force (increased **real**
    productivity), Luxon has no way whatever of funding the policies he says he intends to introduce if he becomes PM. The shallow little question-dodger is, essentially, all mouth and trousers. And he knows it - or does he?
    Talking about shallow Keith. You have almost as much depth as Rich when it comes to National/ACT. Jealous that so many of their politicians have been more successful than you?

    Most New Zealanders do not measure a politicians success as coming
    from self-enrichment, or enriching foreign owners of banks and other
    companies including our electricity companies sold off cheap by
    National.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 27 03:07:29 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:20:53?AM UTC+13, James Christophers >>wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:25:29?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:46:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
    <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James
    Christophers
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO >>> > >>> >> >>>wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash
    wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to: >>> > >>> >> >>> > >
    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a
    Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you >>> > >>> >> >>> > >don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston
    after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal >>> > >>> >> >>> > >to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will >>> > >>> >> >>> >get
    done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by
    chancers
    (except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical
    chancers would
    promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot
    afford in
    the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or >>> > >>> >> >>>statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of
    furtive
    facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a >>> > >>> >> >>>slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, >>> > >>> >> >>>no
    sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not >>> > >>> >> >the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - >>> > >>> >>so
    childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when
    appropriate,
    as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?
    Do I? Maybe you are indulging yourself.
    As the tinyurl appears to have expired, perhaps it is time to leave
    the thread which Tony is desperately trying to edge away from the
    subject of National and NZF. Start another thread if you wish Tony,
    but as Crash said in the initial post, "Looks like Luxon will do a
    deal with Winston if he has to: "
    New Zealanders don't produce enough of sufficient **real**value to earn >>>their keep. They are, collectively, economically indolent; so much so that, >>>unless and until New Zealand begins to produce higher value from its labour >>>force (increased **real** productivity), Luxon has no way whatever of funding
    the policies he says he intends to introduce if he becomes PM. The shallow >>>little question-dodger is, essentially, all mouth and trousers. And he knows it
    - or does he?
    Talking about shallow Keith. You have almost as much depth as Rich when it >>comes to National/ACT. Jealous that so many of their politicians have been more
    successful than you?

    Most New Zealanders do not measure a politicians success as coming
    from self-enrichment, or enriching foreign owners of banks and other >companies including our electricity companies sold off cheap by
    National. An accusation you have made many, many times and never with proof.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Tony on Wed Sep 27 03:25:40 2023
    Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:20:53?AM UTC+13, James Christophers >>>wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:25:29?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>> > On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:46:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote: >>>> > >>> >> Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO
    <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James
    Christophers
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO >>>> > >>> >> >>>wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash
    wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has >>>> > >>> >> >>> > >to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a >>>> > >>> >> >>> > >Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you >>>> > >>> >> >>> > >don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston >>>> > >>> >> >>> > >after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to
    appeal
    to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will >>>> > >>> >> >>> >get
    done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by
    chancers
    (except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical
    chancers would
    promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot >>>> > >>> >> >>>afford in
    the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma >>>> > >>> >> >>>or
    statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of
    furtive
    facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of >>>> > >>> >> >>>a
    slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no
    originality,
    no
    sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is >>>> > >>> >> >not
    the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - >>>> > >>> >>so
    childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when
    appropriate,
    as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?
    Do I? Maybe you are indulging yourself.
    As the tinyurl appears to have expired, perhaps it is time to leave
    the thread which Tony is desperately trying to edge away from the
    subject of National and NZF. Start another thread if you wish Tony,
    but as Crash said in the initial post, "Looks like Luxon will do a
    deal with Winston if he has to: "
    New Zealanders don't produce enough of sufficient **real**value to earn >>>>their keep. They are, collectively, economically indolent; so much so that, >>>>unless and until New Zealand begins to produce higher value from its labour >>>>force (increased **real** productivity), Luxon has no way whatever of >>>>funding
    the policies he says he intends to introduce if he becomes PM. The shallow >>>>little question-dodger is, essentially, all mouth and trousers. And he >>>>knows it
    - or does he?
    Talking about shallow Keith. You have almost as much depth as Rich when it >>>comes to National/ACT. Jealous that so many of their politicians have been >>>more
    successful than you?

    Most New Zealanders do not measure a politicians success as coming
    from self-enrichment, or enriching foreign owners of banks and other >>companies including our electricity companies sold off cheap by
    National.
    Correction.
    An accusation you have made many, many times and never with proof.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 22:22:00 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:17:21 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:20:53?AM UTC+13, James Christophers wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:25:29?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:46:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get
    done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers
    (except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would
    promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in
    the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or
    statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive
    facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a
    slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no
    sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so
    childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when appropriate,
    as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?
    Do I? Maybe you are indulging yourself.
    As the tinyurl appears to have expired, perhaps it is time to leave
    the thread which Tony is desperately trying to edge away from the
    subject of National and NZF. Start another thread if you wish Tony,
    but as Crash said in the initial post, "Looks like Luxon will do a
    deal with Winston if he has to: "
    New Zealanders don't produce enough of sufficient **real**value to earn their keep. They are, collectively, economically indolent; so much so that, unless and until New Zealand begins to produce higher value from its labour force (increased **real**
    productivity), Luxon has no way whatever of funding the policies he says he intends to introduce if he becomes PM. The shallow little question-dodger is, essentially, all mouth and trousers. And he knows it - or does he?
    Talking about shallow Keith. You have almost as much depth as Rich when it comes to National/ACT. Jealous that so many of their politicians have been more successful than you?
    Most New Zealanders do not measure a politicians success as coming
    from self-enrichment, or enriching foreign owners of banks and other companies including our electricity companies sold off cheap by
    National.
    They also judge them by how much they achieved. Something your left wing mates are incapable of Rich! Most of the left have enriched themselves by sitting on their arses and talking up a storm when NZers were suffering from poverty, storms and government
    inefficiencies! And you fucking well know this Rich!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 26 22:48:51 2023
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 6:43:38 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:22:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:17:21?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:20:53?AM UTC+13, James Christophers wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:25:29?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:46:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote: >> >> > >>> >> Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get
    done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers
    (except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would
    promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in
    the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or
    statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive
    facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a
    slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no
    sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so
    childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when appropriate,
    as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?
    Do I? Maybe you are indulging yourself.
    As the tinyurl appears to have expired, perhaps it is time to leave >> >> > the thread which Tony is desperately trying to edge away from the
    subject of National and NZF. Start another thread if you wish Tony, >> >> > but as Crash said in the initial post, "Looks like Luxon will do a >> >> > deal with Winston if he has to: "
    New Zealanders don't produce enough of sufficient **real**value to earn their keep. They are, collectively, economically indolent; so much so that, unless and until New Zealand begins to produce higher value from its labour force (increased **
    real** productivity), Luxon has no way whatever of funding the policies he says he intends to introduce if he becomes PM. The shallow little question-dodger is, essentially, all mouth and trousers. And he knows it - or does he?
    Talking about shallow Keith. You have almost as much depth as Rich when it comes to National/ACT. Jealous that so many of their politicians have been more successful than you?
    Most New Zealanders do not measure a politicians success as coming
    from self-enrichment, or enriching foreign owners of banks and other
    companies including our electricity companies sold off cheap by
    National.
    They also judge them by how much they achieved. Something your left wing mates are incapable of Rich! Most of the left have enriched themselves by sitting on their arses and talking up a storm when NZers were suffering from poverty, storms and
    government inefficiencies! And you fucking well know this Rich!
    You are all crap, John. The current government have settled a basis
    for dealing with homes that cannot be rebuilt and are getting things
    done far faster than National did with Christchurch - some insurance
    issues are still not resolved there!

    Sorry Rich but without a cite and from Labours track record this is just more bullshit from you. No surprises because that's all you're capable of in defence of the worst and most undemocratic government in NZ history!


    Meanwhile National are still unable to sort out where the money is
    coming from to cover the promises they have made - they are waiting
    until the last minute; while more economists are saying they have a
    big hole and cannot meet their promises. More people trust Hipkins to
    know what ordinary people are going through; Luxon is seen as out of
    touch. It is still looking like a close election, but National are
    losing the polling lead to the undecided . . .

    Bullshit! I've given you a link that discredits your lies. Try reading it!

    The undecided may surprise us all if they get off their arses and actually vote. Funny that Labour can't start improving their position which gives hope to us who treasure democracy and freedom...

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Wed Sep 27 18:35:36 2023
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:22:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:17:21?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:20:53?AM UTC+13, James Christophers wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:25:29?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:46:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get
    done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers
    (except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would
    promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in
    the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or
    statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive
    facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a
    slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no
    sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so
    childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when appropriate,
    as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?
    Do I? Maybe you are indulging yourself.
    As the tinyurl appears to have expired, perhaps it is time to leave
    the thread which Tony is desperately trying to edge away from the
    subject of National and NZF. Start another thread if you wish Tony,
    but as Crash said in the initial post, "Looks like Luxon will do a
    deal with Winston if he has to: "
    New Zealanders don't produce enough of sufficient **real**value to earn their keep. They are, collectively, economically indolent; so much so that, unless and until New Zealand begins to produce higher value from its labour force (increased **real**
    productivity), Luxon has no way whatever of funding the policies he says he intends to introduce if he becomes PM. The shallow little question-dodger is, essentially, all mouth and trousers. And he knows it - or does he?
    Talking about shallow Keith. You have almost as much depth as Rich when it comes to National/ACT. Jealous that so many of their politicians have been more successful than you?
    Most New Zealanders do not measure a politicians success as coming
    from self-enrichment, or enriching foreign owners of banks and other
    companies including our electricity companies sold off cheap by
    National.
    They also judge them by how much they achieved. Something your left wing mates are incapable of Rich! Most of the left have enriched themselves by sitting on their arses and talking up a storm when NZers were suffering from poverty, storms and
    government inefficiencies! And you fucking well know this Rich!

    You are all crap, John. The current government have settled a basis
    for dealing with homes that cannot be rebuilt and are getting things
    done far faster than National did with Christchurch - some insurance
    issues are still not resolved there!

    Meanwhile National are still unable to sort out where the money is
    coming from to cover the promises they have made - they are waiting
    until the last minute; while more economists are saying they have a
    big hole and cannot meet their promises. More people trust Hipkins to
    know what ordinary people are going through; Luxon is seen as out of
    touch. It is still looking like a close election, but National are
    losing the polling lead to the undecided . . .

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Sep 27 06:33:11 2023
    On 2023-09-27, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:22:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 3:17:21?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:59:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 27, 2023 at 11:20:53?AM UTC+13, James Christophers wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:25:29?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>> >> > On Tue, 26 Sep 2023 06:46:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:06:23?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
    James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 5:28:48?PM UTC+13, Tony wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:30:30 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tuesday, 26 September 2023 at 13:28:12 UTC+13, James Christophers
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:30:45?AM UTC+13, JohnO wrote:
    On Monday, 25 September 2023 at 18:06:20 UTC+13, Crash wrote:
    Looks like Luxon will do a deal with Winston if he has to:

    https://tinyurl.com/3y4smsw6

    While this is undesirable, it is more desirable than a Labour-led
    government.

    Ultimately though the voters have the final say - if you don't
    party-vote NZF, no-one will have to deal with Winston after the
    election. I hope that National makes some effort to appeal to NZF
    sympathisers.
    Nats/Luxon seem too scared to do that.

    I fear that under a Nat/ACT/NZF coalition nothing much will get
    done.
    Already damned by its uninspiring collection of drive-by chancers
    (except
    for Peters), such an ill-assorted ragbag of egotistical chancers would
    promise
    an era of political instability this country simply cannot afford in
    the
    current global economic climate.

    Worse, Luxon is irredeemably bereft of any hint of charisma or
    statesmanship, this only made worse by his repertoire of furtive
    facial
    tics
    and his dullard's one-note persona too tragically redolent of a
    slumpgut
    Waste
    Management driver. No charm, no sophistication, no originality, no
    sense
    of
    direction, no cred.

    Have you ever considered anti-depressants?
    For all we know Luxon may already be taking them, but this is not the
    forum for medical advice . . .
    It is if it fits.
    Especially when you deliberately twist who JohnO was talking to - so
    childish
    of you - a classic symptom.

    A well-timed leavening of the discourse is to be welcomed when appropriate,
    as
    here.

    Think on.
    And you are the arbiter of that? Think on.

    You know I make no such claim, so why suggest such a thing?
    Do I? Maybe you are indulging yourself.
    As the tinyurl appears to have expired, perhaps it is time to leave >>> >> > the thread which Tony is desperately trying to edge away from the
    subject of National and NZF. Start another thread if you wish Tony, >>> >> > but as Crash said in the initial post, "Looks like Luxon will do a
    deal with Winston if he has to: "
    New Zealanders don't produce enough of sufficient **real**value to earn their keep. They are, collectively, economically indolent; so much so that, unless and until New Zealand begins to produce higher value from its labour force (increased **real*
    * productivity), Luxon has no way whatever of funding the policies he says he intends to introduce if he becomes PM. The shallow little question-dodger is, essentially, all mouth and trousers. And he knows it - or does he?
    Talking about shallow Keith. You have almost as much depth as Rich when it comes to National/ACT. Jealous that so many of their politicians have been more successful than you?
    Most New Zealanders do not measure a politicians success as coming
    from self-enrichment, or enriching foreign owners of banks and other
    companies including our electricity companies sold off cheap by
    National.
    They also judge them by how much they achieved. Something your left
    wing mates are incapable of Rich! Most of the left have enriched
    themselves by sitting on their arses and talking up a storm when
    NZers were suffering from poverty, storms and government inefficiencies!
    And you fucking well know this Rich!

    You are all crap, John. The current government have settled a basis
    for dealing with homes that cannot be rebuilt and are getting things
    done far faster than National did with Christchurch - some insurance
    issues are still not resolved there!

    Posting to the wrong thread again, or just changing the subject?


    Meanwhile National are still unable to sort out where the money is
    coming from to cover the promises they have made - they are waiting
    until the last minute; while more economists are saying they have a
    big hole and cannot meet their promises. More people trust Hipkins to
    know what ordinary people are going through; Luxon is seen as out of
    touch. It is still looking like a close election, but National are
    losing the polling lead to the undecided . . .

    There is only one poll which matters. In a close run contest the up to the election polls will always swing back and forth.

    The undecided will be that way until the vote in is the ballot box.

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