• Labour's $411 million fiscal hole.

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 23 21:44:51 2023
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    https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/media_release_gst_claims_cabbage?utm_campaign=230923_nwsltr&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
    From a politically neutral source.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Sat Sep 23 23:11:13 2023
    On 2023-09-23, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/media_release_gst_claims_cabbage?utm_campaign=230923_nwsltr&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
    From a politically neutral source.

    So does this mean that if the subsitution takes place that the average household crocery bill will be greater than the $20/month claimed? (If the supemarkets play "fair".)

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Sep 23 23:59:24 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-09-23, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/media_release_gst_claims_cabbage?utm_campaign=230923_nwsltr&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
    From a politically neutral source.

    So does this mean that if the subsitution takes place that the average >household crocery bill will be greater than the $20/month claimed? (If the >supemarkets play "fair".)
    SAorry I am not quite sure what you mean, but there is clearly a big hole in the plan.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Sep 24 00:00:49 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 21:44:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/media_release_gst_claims_cabbage?utm_campaign=230923_nwsltr&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
    From a politically neutral source.

    Of course the Taxpayers Union is not politically neutral - it supports
    ACT and in relation to economic policies, National. It is an active
    opponent of all other parties.
    That is a lie, your Goebbels love-in is showing.

    Irrelevant off topic nonsense removed.
    Keep to the topic or start your own.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 23 16:58:46 2023
    On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 12:18:41 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 21:44:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/media_release_gst_claims_cabbage?utm_campaign=230923_nwsltr&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
    From a politically neutral source.
    Of course the Taxpayers Union is not politically neutral - it supports
    ACT and in relation to economic policies, National. It is an active
    opponent of all other parties.

    Don't be fucking stupid! Or do you have some evidence to prove your claim isn't just your typical lie about anyone who doesn't follow your lead and blindly follow the left like sheep!?

    Further politically biased bullshit from the ng disinformation project snipped>

    Address the article Rich. Don't just post an unsanctioned political propaganda rant so typical of you!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Sep 24 12:10:40 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 21:44:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/media_release_gst_claims_cabbage?utm_campaign=230923_nwsltr&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers
    From a politically neutral source.

    Of course the Taxpayers Union is not politically neutral - it supports
    ACT and in relation to economic policies, National. It is an active
    opponent of all other parties.

    Also worth reading:
    The Republican Party, through The Heritage Foundation, have
    identified New Zealand as close to their ideal far-right political
    situation. Labour have been moving, albeit slowly, towards lower
    inequality; National will increase inequality.

    See : https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2023
    "You might not have heard of the Heritage Foundation, an ultra-right
    US think tank that has evolved into a policy arm of the Republican
    Party, influencing its shift to more hardline conservative positions
    in recent decades. Its Index on Economic Freedom, an annual appraisal
    of 184 national economies, applauds those that are most friendly to
    business, especially concerning tax codes. In other words, the most
    right-wing economies. During the last six years of Labour government,
    New Zealand has consistently been in the top five, even level-pegging
    with Singapore in the number one slot. The Heritage Foundation praises
    New Zealand on a number of criteria, including its ‘flexible labour regulations’. On the economic scale, the mainstream media’s default
    description of Labour as ‘centre left’ contrasts with the Heritage
    Foundation’s global perspective.

    At the end of two three-year terms of Labour government and certain
    additional welfare provisions, the country’s overall child poverty
    numbers have simply plateaued, with one in nine children still living
    in households below the poverty line. Public housing wait lists are
    spiraling, and a 2023 Inland Revenue report shows that the country’s
    311 wealthiest families pay 8.9 percent of their income in tax,
    compared with 10.5 percent required of minimum wage workers.

    Given her phenomenal popularity until relatively recently,
    international celebrity prime minister Jacinda Ardern’s resignation
    last January caught the country by surprise. Her lower-profile
    successor, Chris Hipkins, promises to concentrate on “bread and
    butter” issues. Even in a coalition with the further left Greens and
    the Maori Party, the polls still predict a win for Christopher Luxon’s conservative National Party, probably in coalition with the further
    right libertarian ACT party. Despite the likelihood of an
    ultra-neoliberal government, Hipkins scores higher than Luxon in
    personal popularity.

    New Zealand’s under 30s have bucked the trend of young voters in other
    western democracies who favour solidly left figures like Bernie
    Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn. Kiwi youth voters are predominantly
    right-wing, preferring heightened business opportunities to lowered
    emissions. This is due in no small measure to ACT leader David
    Seymour, who has combined his commitment to unfettered market forces
    with some liberal social policies that may actually be more to the
    liking of Green voters than to National’s old guard. In such a
    pro-business environment the dilemma for the Greens is how much to
    address the uncomfortable reality that economic growth is incompatible
    with ecological urgency.

    Labour, National, ACT and the Greens have more or less ruled out a
    coalition with the populist New Zealand First party. Its leader,
    veteran parliamentarian Winston Peters, failed to achieve the 5
    percent threshold in 2020. The maverick phoenix has risen again,
    buoyed by the present polls. Who knows? He might yet be a kingmaker in
    an election that looks likely to see New Zealand nudging Singapore off
    that top slot in the Heritage Foundation’s chart."
    ______________

    And for a measure of success against far-right objectives - see: https://www.heritage.org/index/country/newzealand
    or
    https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

    and see how far the "lower tax" mantra has taken us: https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/global/2022-international-tax-competitiveness-index/#Rankings

    We are third after Estonia and Latvia for lowest tax - no wonder we
    suffer from insufficient funds to alleviate poverty! - and also it may
    explain why so many of our large companies have been sold to overseas
    owners . . .

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